From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 5 06:03:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE542106566C for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 06:03:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no) Received: from osl1smout1.broadpark.no (osl1smout1.broadpark.no [80.202.4.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62DC28FC12 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 06:03:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Received: from osl1sminn1.broadpark.no ([80.202.4.59]) by osl1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-3.01 (built Jul 12 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0K1Z00ALS7I9AKE0@osl1smout1.broadpark.no> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:03:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kg-work.kg4.no ([80.202.72.251]) by osl1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-3.01 (built Jul 12 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0K1Z001ZS7I83D32@osl1sminn1.broadpark.no> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:03:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:03:44 +0200 From: Torfinn Ingolfsen To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-id: <20080605080344.f99347ec.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> In-reply-to: <13A3FC54-B459-48C5-85CD-14CC38913838@netconsonance.com> References: <458FE12C-AE4D-48F9-8193-4663079CEEF8@netconsonance.com> <84EBEA5D3A1F47E79E8E12C4CF4D0314@multiplay.co.uk> <20080605003545.GP89632@k7.mavetju> <13A3FC54-B459-48C5-85CD-14CC38913838@netconsonance.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.8 (GTK+ 2.12.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) X-Face: "t9w2,-X@O^I`jVW\sonI3.,36KBLZE*AL[y9lL[PyFD*r_S:dIL9c[8Y>V42R0"!"yb_zN,f#%.[PYYNq; m"_0v; ~rUM2Yy!zmkh)3&U|u!=T(zyv,MHJv"nDH>OJ`t(@mil461d_B'Uo|'nMwlKe0Mv=kvV?Nh@>Hb<3s_z2jYgZhPb@?Wi^x1a~Hplz1.zH Subject: Re: challenge: end of life for 6.2 is premature with buggy 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:03:49 -0000 On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:19:03 -0700 Jo Rhett wrote: > Edwin, I've been building testbed environments for over 20 years in > my professional career. I know a lot more than this basic concept. > > The costs in our environment for a proper testbed is $20k in > hardware and 3000 man hours. That's for a small test of comparable > small changes to the existing environment. > > Why would we take on this cost only to re-document well known and > already acknowledged bugs? I mean, really? I'm surprised that a test environment (for upgrade testing, load testing, release testing) isn't already in place. Some people (customers and operators alike) might think it is unprofessional and unsafe to run a production system without a test system available. If you have a test system available, why don't you use it? -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen