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Date:      Fri, 14 Sep 2012 22:39:49 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com>
Cc:        arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Removing CVS from HEAD
Message-ID:  <2C4DFA77-E2D8-4DA1-9512-5497ADAF740E@bsdimp.com>
In-Reply-To: <201209141601.q8EG1lmf003367@fire.js.berklix.net>
References:  <201209141601.q8EG1lmf003367@fire.js.berklix.net>

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I think that we've reached the point in this thread that "no clear =
consensus exists for the change, therefore the status quo should remain =
the case."

All these points and counter points clearly show there's non consensus, =
so this should be tabled.

Warner


On Sep 14, 2012, at 10:01 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote:

>> On 2012-Sep-13 14:49:20 +0200, "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com> =
wrote:
>>> =3D3D?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=3D3DC3=3D3DB8rgrav?=3D3D wrote:
>>>> Which other Unices provide CVS out of the box?
>>=20
>> I notice you've carefully avoided answering this.
>=20
> I included all from DES to be polite, to make sure I didn't take DES =
out of
> context, despite he took me out context. DES's question
> 	"Which other Unices provide CVS out of the box?"
> while good, is one I have no further (*) time for.  You in the
> remove CVS camp should have know or researched it before you proposed
> to remove CVS.
>=20
>=20
>>> DES hyperbole discarded, CVS would be just one more issue just for =
some.
>>=20
>> The hyperbole here is coming from you, not des@.
>=20
> False. DES twisted context, & exagerated between these
>=20
> =
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2012-September/013057.html=

> =
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2012-September/013058.html=

>=20
>=20
> (*) I had started researching other Unixes with CVS before DES asked,
> & I found refs, but agression kills motivation & I must travel.
> You in the remove CVS camp proposed change; Do your own search work.
>=20
>=20
>>> Some might agressively pitch for a short timescale, but if CVS goes,
>>> FreeBSD will hopefuly look beyond just its developers' group, =
remember its
>>> users, & consider a schedule similar to one a OS software manager =
would.
>>=20
>> CVS is a development tool and the version in FreeBSD base was =
intended
>> for FreeBSD development.  People using CVS for other purposes are
>> unlikely to be best served by using an unmaintained and modified =
variant
>> of an obsolete version of CVS.
>=20
> OK,  Would have been good mentioned earlier, eg when DES was
> flattening someone's idea to look at upgrading CVS to =
http://www.OpenCVS.org.
>=20
>> As for the schedule, as has been repeatedly stated, this change will
> only affect 10.x and later.  If this proposal goes ahead, the first
>> FreeBSD release to not have CVS in the base will be 10.0-RELEASE -
>> which (IMHO) is unlikely to appear for another year.  And 9.x will
>> continue to include CVS in the base and should be supported for at
>> least 2 years after 10.0-RELEASE comes out.  Thus, anyone currently
>> relying on the base CVS has at least 3 years to plan their =
transition.
>=20
> OK, May be sufficient for many tracking FreeBSD.
> How many Unixes beyond may find your proposed change a nuisance, is =
unknown.
>=20
> Cheers,
> Julian
> --=20
> Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich =
http://berklix.com
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