From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 13 00:01:48 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF48C3E901 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:01:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ultima1252@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x235.google.com (mail-yw0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 707AE19DD for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:01:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ultima1252@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x235.google.com with SMTP id t125so37867019ywc.1 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2016 16:01:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=vJOt4exOW3EAdmzEyFeU7mRB1ebubBPT40Z0Nnv4600=; b=bZrmzcLWSLAOoR5EkMOfXprD5RlQSoKa1MTUaao5PSTYGhvKUSY5La2Wcx8rGRBc0Z GztGD5whJZpOlAO4GezeyNRRezZBOmttJr2SAErmozDlLzi8aHKH4ryvHsyc4htSSU5c Efs4lK15qkHn20SBRsNB0ORgEXbxlEa7A0EulM39kQz3sHDFedQ5C7HIQsGuFXBrdhkr WElCTpxNn3Q09OkSgj/Qu6Vtr+rLkSw5NH2kkqQbur2GGgAVpfk5FD7sHzvV0WA4H5yB gQ4p5EHKiXxSZzo+gVoSeFBe7RKUm7b8bhCCqlxh+JorUOeonSH8j4R51tObKGZpmZnn 9ceA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vJOt4exOW3EAdmzEyFeU7mRB1ebubBPT40Z0Nnv4600=; b=OZ1uJoroozorqKYyvYDbDY83EOfj+PSlKeseqSTP/f5tvAwFqCw+vhqfWjNCVzXysD MSIyDegqzJvJRsc8mWayQF1MtfYL7CVigUcDiGp1DkBRAuLfM93m3Owwuz1chF46YveJ WDXnkvc+wC1Kq21rgh1QOLS0JYern/pQJ7PXvc4tuoJ82VkOtggVMql+f8IHuT7tEJoI ewVi3H1S5UZOKI9NNs2ubMTCGA++bEtbaYv0RF1Rh0oq6BDbE4v+ZDEs0o7hfXcliMSw 5K5jTav+ZlpT6SIHLbOe7YLArl2xkcYrfHqh37iDnC5AAOEZ9YY/S56mv+bxXFzE1TmT y5xQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngve+db7+lgDfoOqMlnTflvDjpGn4b80u++ae2dA2Rhnvg1/nj7uZyA03em+0Q9hCLZhc4QJ5N23XcKoV9Q== X-Received: by 10.129.138.194 with SMTP id a185mr8636783ywg.246.1478995307558; Sat, 12 Nov 2016 16:01:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.129.106.130 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Nov 2016 16:01:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <58a062c2-aef7-82e9-4474-2d87febb7912@dreamchaser.org> References: <58a062c2-aef7-82e9-4474-2d87febb7912@dreamchaser.org> From: Ultima Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 19:01:46 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Hello - i5 processors and,Nvidia GPUs To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Cc: Manish Jain , "zekemotta7@gmail.com" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:01:48 -0000 On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: > On 11/12/16 10:50, Ultima wrote: > > The newer version of nvidia requires a new module, nvidia-modeset. If > this > > isn't loaded while starting X, expect issues with nvidia cards. > > Which version are you running? > For the 375.10 beta version I just tested, nvidia-modeset was automatically > installed by the driver install process, and appropriate lines added to > /boot/loader.conf. However, I still had problems with the driver in some > apps. > There are two methods for installing the nvidia driver. The one mentioned in the post I was replying to is being installed via pkg. I believe you're using the other method, which is downloading via nvidia website and installing (without pkg). The nvidia install does add these entries to loader.conf automagically. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 13 00:10:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3773C3EB08 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:10:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin+bsd@citrin.ru) Received: from hz.citrin.ru (hz.citrin.ru [88.198.212.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC91D1C1D for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:10:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin+bsd@citrin.ru) Received: from x220.lan (c-24-60-168-172.hsd1.ct.comcast.net [24.60.168.172]) by hz.citrin.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0A90F287414 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Bug in Documentation about Samba To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <2B15A429-C16F-4DCB-8A8B-57A378EB410B@mailbox.org> From: Anton Yuzhaninov Message-ID: <442587dc-9425-ac6e-8a7e-f6bd4c199120@citrin.ru> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 19:10:17 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2B15A429-C16F-4DCB-8A8B-57A378EB410B@mailbox.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=citrin.ru; s=s0; t=1478995820; bh=4M7vzW30VHhaoghzE9fFL2KjD0KLF0Bpn7dYh6bsVPM=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UX4IRoqd/yB9WxGrHNkAGAFXU0gVbpRpqIfmen++1+sq8vUd+IxjD/jhxaVVVwpMoEZz9tYomeeUggtOauulUsVc6kcPUSdSvCmPE/P0rgpFbqEKvUYvwjNIr5SW0o8bLM9txnPHJnrlBDY2delmXJqkZz9KcN/3YcE6qPIzv/g= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:10:31 -0000 On 11/11/16 17:11, Philipp Gerloff wrote: > I found a bug in the docs: > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-samba.html > > There is written: > samba_enable="YES" > > > But for Samba4 it has to be: > samba_server_enable="YES" This already have been reported, but still not fixed :( https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=213074 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 13 01:26:59 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3641BC3E343 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:26:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasan.dogan@etigumus.com.tr) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B29E1846 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:26:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasan.dogan@etigumus.com.tr) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 1A4FCC3E342; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:26:59 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B8CC3E341 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:26:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasan.dogan@etigumus.com.tr) Received: from mail.yildizlarsss.com (mail.yildizlarsss.com [95.0.6.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7721843 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:26:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasan.dogan@etigumus.com.tr) Received: from /spool/local by example.com with YILDIZLARSSS HOLDING SMTP GATEWAY for from ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 03:22:50 +0200 Received: from YSSSH-MAIL1.yildizlarsss.com ([172.25.254.61]) by example.com ([172.25.254.67]) with YILDIZLARSSS HOLDING SMTP GATEWAY; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 03:22:47 +0200 Received: from MASAL ([176.54.65.8]) by YSSSH-MAIL1.yildizlarsss.com (Lotus Domino Release 8.5.3FP6) with ESMTP id 2016111303194689-16057 ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 03:19:46 +0200 From: "betul@yedikardes.com" Subject: Slm siparisler, kontrol edermisiniz. 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from KoggyBSD.org ([68.60.93.182]) by resomta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id 5jqhcWrN9bQub5jqicgHsg; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:44:48 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 21:47:15 -0500 From: Allen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LAME Package Question Message-ID: <20161112214715.1ae3ec62@KoggyBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <1d997fdb-73a2-895d-908d-d57a20ee5af5@FreeBSD.org> References: <20161028213914.0876d1cf@KoggyBSD.org> <20161029053035.7801824a.freebsd@edvax.de> <44cbd684-9df1-9756-05a6-d8a2264f438f@FreeBSD.org> <20161112185427.0e575595@KoggyBSD.org> <1d997fdb-73a2-895d-908d-d57a20ee5af5@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; i386-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfCnVyhP8SOxJVr/+l9l87wcgN0doR5IYaix4tYbPesSrg6sG5C/xvTLP7csxW79x/a2Kb8d7YVXyJH3S2tSTP23VjekAiR7OWGN0woL4LA8V2LwXnl/X 9A8VR94QRVfxMwdd/XAjJEr0F3qLgAVHPJRycXbaD/hyCPLBVkEvTod2PbvT2cFokXtyxHD97splMg== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:44:49 -0000 On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 22:57:52 +0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 12/11/2016 23:54, Allen wrote: > > Seriously, I'm not sure exactly who it was who wrote PKG, or > > designed it, or got it working so beautifully, and so nice, but > > THANK YOU whoever you are! > > https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/graphs/contributors > > but mostly bapt@FreeBSD.org > > Cheers, > > Matthew Thank you :) Seriously, if anyone sees this that helped out with that in any way; I thank you, and I Hope you all know that there are those of us out here who not only appreciate the massive work you all do in putting FreeBSD together, but there's even certain parts of the system, that are so well done, it's nothing short of art! I look at FreeBSD, and I see something that could EASILY contend with Monet, and hold it's own. FreeBSD is a Masterpiece and a technical wonder all rolled into one, and if someone doesn't agree with that about BSD in general being a Master Work of Art, that's OK, you can disagree, but I think it's wonderful, and beautiful. I actually remember one day talking on a Computer Security Forum, and I had mentioned on there that I was watching the DVD "20 Years of Berkeley Unix" which I had ordered from the FreeBSD Mall, and watching one of my Heros, Marshal Kirk McKusick, speak at a huge BSD Conference or something along those lines (If you don't have this DVD, you can of course order it directly from his Web Site, and I FULLY Recommend that if you can afford to do so, buy it!! It's GREAT, and it's VERY interesting, and he's Hilarious!) . I had the pleasure of getting to speak to him over Email a few times, and it's nice when you not only get to meet one of your Heros, but then seeing that he's such a good guy, and was super nice to me, as I came off as a Fan Boy or something lol. Seriously, he was super nice, thanked me for my Email, and answered all my questions, and was in general just great. I've met Krztoff from the Band Bile, which is a good Industrial Band, and he's cool, and a huge Misfits Fan, as am I, and I met Jerry Only, the Bass Player for The Misfits, and I've also gotten to meet, talk to, and even exchange Emails with both the guys from the Band Mortician, which is a Horror Based Death Metal Band, and I LOVE that band, as I'm a huge Horror Movie Fan, and so are they, and I like Music that's based on Horror Movies, like The Misfits, White Zombie / Rob Zombie, Mortician, every Horror Punk Band, every Psychobilly Band, and others of course, and I was really surprised to see that Roger from Mortician was a total Computer Geek like me, and he showed me his Work Desk, where he took pictures for me of his set up, and even some of his oldschool Computers (I think he had a PET set up on there as well, and he also showed me some of his other boxes he used for making Music) so I've had the pleasure of meeting some of my Musical Heros as well, and it was awesome getting to talk to these people. Anyway, so, at one point on the DVD, MKM was talking about how in Germany they were using Unix for Dialysis or something along those lines, and the Forum I was posting on, had a member who was totally into Windows and Microsoft, and in general confused me with how he actually LIKED running this stuff lol. Well, he would always go on and on that there was nothing he couldn't do on Windows that I could do on Unix, and so I said to put his money where his mouth is, and asked him if HE was having Dialysis, would he REALLY allow Windows NT, or 2000, or 2003 Server, to run HIS Machine, if his life truly DID depend on that machine staying up and stable, and I said that if I had to pick an OS that was going to run some vital life function where a Crash could mean Death, my ONLY pick would be BSD. The guy danced around the direct question I asked, and basically didn't want to answer. But I think it proved my point; That when Stability means life and death, it would take major brain damage to think Windows NT was the answer lol. Sorry about the huge reply to this, but I've been awake for like 2 days now, and I'm exhausted, and I've been up longer than most Windows Servers. ;) -Allen From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 13 02:05:06 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98AAC3D9AC for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:05:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from george@vagner.com) Received: from mailrelay2.pub.mailoutpod1-wdc1.one.com (mailrelay2.pub.mailoutpod1-wdc1.one.com [104.37.35.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9D2810AF for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:05:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from george@vagner.com) X-HalOne-Cookie: 90398cec0fe491b05bdb0f52d7381bfafe40cac4 X-HalOne-ID: 943d7658-a945-11e6-bfef-549f35fe4221 Received: from [192.168.0.228] (unknown [172.243.191.100]) by mailrelay1.pub.mailoutpod1-wdc1.one.com (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 943d7658-a945-11e6-bfef-549f35fe4221; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: USB network cards and DHCP To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <09a08e97-036e-4a0b-11c6-910042504b54@vagner.com> <20161112213722.GA35729@neutralgood.org> From: laszlo Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 21:04:58 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20161112213722.GA35729@neutralgood.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:05:07 -0000 no i dont get any messages on the console. about the reply-- i am lazy and didnt want to type in the email address. who reads email headers anyway.? On 11/12/2016 4:37 PM, Kevin P. Neal wrote: > On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 12:15:15PM -0500, laszlo wrote: >> i have been trying use a USB network card for my satellite connection >> but if i turn off the sat modem and turn it back on the USB card does >> not get a IP address. If i mark the interface down and then back up it >> does get an ip address or if i reboot it does get an ip address. > Do you get any kernel messages when you turn the modem off or turn it on? > I ask because if you do then it may be possible to configure devd to take > down the interface when you turn the modem off, and reverse when you turn > it back on. I've never used devd so I don't have anything more specific > to add about it. > > Side note: you appear to have sent your message to the list by replying > to another message and then replacing the reply with a new message. If you > do that it is helpful to delete the "In-Reply-To" header. That header is > used for threading of messages. If set incorrectly then your message > risks getting missed depending on what mail software is used by the people > on the list. If your mail software doesn't let you remove the header then > I suggest the cut-and-paste approach to setting the "To" field instead > of replying as you did. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 13 02:29:17 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF39C3E79E for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:29:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rnmtw70@yandex.com) Received: from forward5h.cmail.yandex.net (forward5h.cmail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:f35::15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98A981C31 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:29:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rnmtw70@yandex.com) Received: from smtp2h.mail.yandex.net (smtp2h.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:f05::116]) by forward5h.cmail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id DD1B82108F for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 05:29:13 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp2h.mail.yandex.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2h.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id C1DE978187F for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 05:29:13 +0300 (MSK) Received: by smtp2h.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id aQfULfsv4Y-TCOqw1wV; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 05:29:12 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1479004152; bh=3//9rr0BeAJrpydjuKk3vNG25NcBVJRtcpSzG0+He58=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To; b=vBTqmffRVWcJYyPycG+xw+tY3LroqSrk5zMWOkbWBJlXqAm2687UbFyqHkbeL2sJB UhtT7X+Y/ft/QqFtfNoAgEaTrmdndo+vmZFeOLVD4O686lYcH6Kft0i/eBUuWku922 wnGlvtAS6JsJBNOu61GAKVES2UTb9nsZJMjGk+xA= Authentication-Results: smtp2h.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com X-Yandex-Suid-Status: 1 0 Subject: Re: USB network cards and DHCP To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <09a08e97-036e-4a0b-11c6-910042504b54@vagner.com> <20161112213722.GA35729@neutralgood.org> From: Rolf Nielsen Message-ID: <146f6018-0c86-e8e9-c6b9-ce8ab9b1f7f2@yandex.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 03:29:11 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:29:18 -0000 On 2016-11-13 03:04, laszlo wrote: <...> > > about the reply-- i am lazy and didnt want to type in the > > email address. > > who reads email headers anyway.? > > > > <...> >> Side note: you appear to have sent your message to the list by replying >> to another message and then replacing the reply with a new message. If >> you >> do that it is helpful to delete the "In-Reply-To" header. That header is >> used for threading of messages. If set incorrectly then your message >> risks getting missed depending on what mail software is used by the >> people >> on the list. If your mail software doesn't let you remove the header then >> I suggest the cut-and-paste approach to setting the "To" field instead >> of replying as you did. >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Mail software reads the headers. And for people using threaded view rather than timeline view, the In-Reply-To header helps the mail software sorting replies into the correct threads. -- Vänligen / Sincerely, Rolf Nielsen From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 13 02:39:09 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260A0C3EAA4 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:39:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22d.google.com (mail-wm0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC2B41075 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id a197so42273371wmd.0 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:39:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=rPD/bbNsfr7ixZrjBSDDMVcEIUgGPWmBzTuQGppri/k=; b=O1TI87V2M7uqyL4yC0GuuxtuZj6aD1QfUwT3Aaz3jjFRuyvGUYI4oL7q63lbaTlU23 tISQfGHaLr7xtdk5cNw7lghzpMJBJBbttWYWDVo+iTrvePyH8W3qj/s1njD2pDWepnJ8 Ig4E/UttbOXJvhBx/OQBfQqfdLfDBJvgal9w2Y2YM9EuFYuwcy1wz+5nRSwUq/iJX5Ka 5BJ3toMCjzeE5v9uZJZLVktPCpAj/6MMzaIuk4fJ0Ebo8YyD2g7Aueuo8wVUWrvCC7j/ jMDowVDnMw+UnzIdh6gE+f1nDLOdv7JpI2fex8LzCQGFQI60iunfwDEa07f/LMaxLSLa bqeQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rPD/bbNsfr7ixZrjBSDDMVcEIUgGPWmBzTuQGppri/k=; b=FKWk/DGvJAiIIeBfHHkl4jZGeUSZDEdKLstCb78BcoB9lN0vHzmlNTVxO0RmnA8G1l 38whmUAiaglc7sWT6nWZxAD5Bx+Zco2Dwudv8i4GATMLa/wrKlBNWIOnU2A1k//sCamr AHIoepwe3IJDix7Bpi1Sm/3Mbu94e38HxdSNqXxWRBA3rL4nyURxWt2zlUMO3F0uY/F+ 7Wn1x2xNIaTvR6stFFMPf6GgMpY9faiHrXpILDjB/rzAAa79EirdeLkdH7smDvrhXPh+ NiJfLWMS0TYGkK0cYPAj7nly5enHYkhH+i7jod++J+jj6NfQzjKWmLvr6nrhcXheZxhy /ooA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvekY1uWcmJhNEGFcc3l5rOIn4R1FTfxg0bdeLRr+U7fbh64JRRcYq8jcE8IfrBaG8PCf4rHtdWK3tOL1g== X-Received: by 10.194.177.231 with SMTP id ct7mr3782105wjc.221.1479004746994; Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:39:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.179.119 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:39:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <09a08e97-036e-4a0b-11c6-910042504b54@vagner.com> <20161112213722.GA35729@neutralgood.org> From: Adam Vande More Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 20:39:06 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: USB network cards and DHCP To: laszlo Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:39:09 -0000 On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 8:04 PM, laszlo wrote: no i dont get any messages on the console. > What is the output of # ifconfig during a modem up and down state? who reads email headers anyway.? The important thing in this case is what reads email headers. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 13 05:41:15 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09D2C3EB97 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 05:41:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA06C12FD for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 05:41:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id uAD5fCJZ002223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2016 21:41:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id uAD5fB38002222 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2016 21:41:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA14785; Sat, 12 Nov 16 21:09:39 PST Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 21:09:33 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: 10.3 installer not working Message-Id: <5827f58d.sMOy7X/BSRg0Z40v%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 05:41:16 -0000 How do I get the 10.3 installer to allow me to: * Edit the default partition sizes, without having to delete and re-create them. I finally figured out how to get into the details part of the screen after selecting Modify -- it's not obvious, and there doesn't seem to be any help available -- but the partition size seems to be immutable. (I want to make the swap partition larger than the default, and the root partition correspondingly smaller.) * Start the partition editor with the existing disk layout. Having once gotten through the hell of getting the disk partitioned the way I want it, only to have the installation fail later on, I see no reason to have to repeat the partitioning step. Where is the option to read the existing partition sizes into the editor? * Ignore a minor error and continue. It complained that it could not extract the timestamp of some file -- I don't remember which one, and it doesn't matter -- and then the only choices provided were to start over or exit. That is not reasonable. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 13 10:31:42 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56BCC3F1F1 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:31:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hagen@nornagest.de) Received: from euve10633.vserver.de (euve10633.vserver.de [62.75.145.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D9B81C85 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:31:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hagen@nornagest.de) Received: from [185.44.151.4] (helo=kvoth.localdomain) by euve10633.vserver.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1c5rXG-00059k-1t for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:57:15 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:57:05 +0100 From: Hagen =?UTF-8?B?S8O8aGw=?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20161113105705.6fd24f92@kvoth.localdomain> Organization: Scientia est potentia! X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 185.44.151.4 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: hagen@nornagest.de X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on euve10633.vserver.de X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 Subject: Programs that watch a huge amount of files slow down the whole system X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:26:47 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on euve10633.vserver.de) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:31:42 -0000 Hello, I've noticed this behaviour first with net/syncthing-inotify and now with graphics/digikam. Both try to monitor files for changes and as far as I understand the method used for this is fundamentally different in Linux and FreeBSD. So in FreeBSD the program has to get a filehandle for each file. When the number of open files (sysctl kern.openfiles) gets very big the system slows down. (It can take a minute to open a new temrinal for me) Is there anything I can do (except avoiding these applications or letting them manage less files) to avoid this? Is there a way to monitor these files without keeping filehandles for each? (So I could maybe create a patch) Or is there a way to prevent the system from slowing down so much when managing a lot of filehandles? Thanks in advance and best regards, Hagen From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 13 10:42:00 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD500C3F643 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zekemotta7@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x229.google.com (mail-wm0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6AB7B1478 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zekemotta7@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x229.google.com with SMTP id f82so51271149wmf.1 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:42:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=NUcvGjxcV+Ui+pEzNz4vKLWjLOI5hzbm9PP4dHF0pLQ=; b=KkzNwELm/Gkt1lz80xXr+WOCe0iAHO5Rl9553BADqY8I3QZsboiuwkKDsAtILkOYZZ UKEB1QjxtI+k/3VO6F/gNUDAkUbNJplGrwBhkI32cnMVWsK1/ciF6kzLqX+sr9Z2yaHF YVGOoLUnk9m97cDOGmuUezhabxi7X6pcBuyWGGdeelKkS7HPHeSbu6j0XJD+1Vs6qmrz WXWcKCq/8Se9hfaHLUXcsJPwAsC6/jDqxX58k0gj8hwoXBOxD/JBW4OyThZKCmMzZ3i9 089JeRW6M3hmI+yi9EJrcsXKu6hExfzSTSbrmTKfCJhyllPY7rhf0cpN2iKDXfzqwxg3 Nqfg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=NUcvGjxcV+Ui+pEzNz4vKLWjLOI5hzbm9PP4dHF0pLQ=; b=O4tcA8kYnCCmI/Mw6e6WScX9fqirPc6+NNNZNHQCw179rIisn5QQZaV7fpsefac0BN EusM/p2DoZ6C4u9CPbNraBWKpPjUyjc18YZVxuK84XL3lscG8qWU7qLZsJEWxL9b2rI4 HgMYyGaCm02vPJEvFF9pjkN19rKeWoK9Fzb+KFv/vLEIoZtbfPcncT7aHwY7Qfh1NpDI 14Z8VAizhJqN4YY1Yc5IWTTy59jVufG2PQ8Zz5fiVZ4ApUTbgUEaifQNXtTP7TI97lBv 2H88fIQJRnMs/BEnteefGLudQXOCHUzPXf3E5rYq6lU5evV3L3GM3PVCde4qZSEqpRXS 07qQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvcOMn8wEAnGgFmq+TlCVxvkFznyDT/NRKlalVkBpHC3DbZbwP2V6DyW2mr6TwZs6rA39yU4VMbIqJp/+g== X-Received: by 10.28.147.134 with SMTP id v128mr6222959wmd.3.1479033718866; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:41:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.152.225 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:41:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: zeke motta Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 09:41:58 -0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Hello - i5 processors and,Nvidia GPUs To: Ultima Cc: Manish Jain , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:42:01 -0000 thanks zeke On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Ultima wrote: > The newer version of nvidia requires a new module, nvidia-modeset. If this > isn't loaded while starting X, expect issues with nvidia cards. > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Manish Jain > wrote: > >> >> >> On 11/12/16 17:30, freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org wrote: >> > I have read in the handbook that FreeBSD 11 supports all i5 processors >> and >> > Nvidia GPUs. That much I know. I am contacting you just to make sure >> that I >> > am not dishing $$$??? for something that will not work. I am a newbie >> not >> > just to FreeBSD but to all things IT. >> >> Hi, >> >> Your question is a bit too generic for anyone to offer any realistic >> help. Generally, freebsd-questions is the most helpful forum on the web, >> now, in the past and in the future - as long as you ask specific >> questions. >> >> a) Yes, i5 processors are supported out-of-the-box and most Nvidia >> graphics cards are supported by the nvidia kernel module. But you >> probably will find things easier with a Radeon R5 230 graphics card - >> that works nicely, is easier to set up and produces better font rendering. >> >> For nvidia, remember to install system sources (the src tarball) when >> installing FreeBSD. Then log in as root and use the following commands : >> >> >> a) cd /root >> b) pkg install xorg >> c) pkg install nvidia-driver # (Omit this step for Radeon) >> d) kldload nvidia # (or 'kldload radeon' if your card is Radeon) >> e) Xorg -configure >> f) mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf >> >> Now test things with the command 'startx'. If you get bad results, post >> to this forum with a detailed problem report and output. >> >> If you get good results (a couple of windows with xterm running nicely), >> go ahead down the road further (assuming you want the K desktop >> environment; for GNOME, use gnome3 instead of kde and gnome_enable in >> place of kdm4_enable) : >> >> g) pkg install kde # (this will take a couple of hours) >> h) echo 'kldload nvidia' >> /etc/rc.local >> i) echo 'kdm4_enable="YES"' >> /etc/rc.conf >> j) reboot >> >> With everything working nicely, you now have a shining new desktop under >> FreeBSD. >> >> b) >> > PS > May I make a suggestion? why does not the FreeBSD project sell >> > computers that are fully compatible with FreeBSD. The proceeds would go >> > straight to the project to fund + r&d. Just an idea. I would certainly >> buy >> > a computer from you guys. The confusion surrounding compatibilities etc >> is >> > mind boggling. It does not have to be this way. It could be so much >> > simpler, I think. Well, i am not an expert so maybe I am talking >> nonsense. >> >> Ah, FreeBSD is essentially a server. It works nicely as a desktop, but >> this needs some time and user skills. For making available a new and >> retailed computer that works out-of-the-box, I have set up a website >> last month. You can have a look at my website. If you like my website, I >> shall be delighted to honour you as my first customer. I offer free 24x7 >> support. >> >> Regards >> Manish Jain >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe >> @freebsd.org" >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 13 11:44:31 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53BC8C3D8BE for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 11:44:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 945AF13BC for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 11:44:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id uADBi4Re097374; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:44:04 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:44:04 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Mick mtn cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Access to shell during or after kernel panic? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20161113212345.H2342@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 11:44:31 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 649, Issue 7, Message: 4 On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 09:10:11 -0700 Mick mtn wrote: > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 1:18 AM, Polytropon wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 00:18:39 -0700, Mick mtn wrote: > > > FreeBSD 11R on macbook pro. > > > does not see dvd, yet the system was installed via > > > FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > partial panic printout: > > > module visa failed to register: 17 That's 'vesa', right? VESA is already in the GENERIC kernel, so adding vesa_load="YES" to /boot/loader.conf is, at best, superfluous. That shouldn't cause a panic though, so something/s else may be happening. I have read the rest of this and the previous similar thread, and done a little research as Macbooks interest me, somewhat perversely .. my daughter uses one and I hope to get some of my Old Stuff onto hers. Polytropon has been valiantly offering his wealth of experience, and has well pointed you to good reading on booting in the handbook, but getting FreeBSD going on a Macbook seems decidedly nontrivial. I know less than Poly does, but sometimes a different tack leads to something useful .. > > > kbd0 at kbdmux0 > > > Panic Module_register_init > > > CPUID=0 > > > ... > > > ... > > > ... > > > #1 0 . . . kdb backtrace at 0x67 > > > #2 ... vpanic at 0x182 > > > #3 panic at 0x43 > > > #4 module_register_init at 0x11c > > > #5 mi_startup at 0x118 > > > #6 btext at 0x2c > > > > > > uptime 1s > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- This is very early in booting the kernel, /usr/src/sys/kern/init_main.c with mi_startup() loading modules prior to starting init(8), near as I can tell on a quick browse. Initially I thought this panic was still in loader(8), particularly as ctrl-alt-esc gets you back there, but I think loader has probably handed over to boot here, relying on it to succeed. > > > I can see the files in the rescue directory, but can not move to that > > > directory or issue commands like rescue/vi -v boot/loader.conf > > > > After a kernel panic, you usually cannot access the shell anymore, > > not locally, not remotely. But you can press Ctrl+Alt+Esc to enter > > the kernel debugger (which probably won't be much help at this > > point). > > > > I will try Ctrl+Alt+Esc > renders OK prompt, back to square one. Well at least you can get back to loader(8). There's a bit to read in there but I think doing so may help, especially as you said this system was actually working to some extent. > > > ANY HINTS on possible keyboard combinations to force boot from dvd? > > > Holding "C" on boot is not getting the result i expected. > > > > Is pressing C at boot a Mac-specific action? > > > YES, pressing C prior/during initial boot should direct the process to boot > from alternate media, typically looking at optical drive media. But can be > used to find USB devices as well if the mac boot partition has not been > destroyed. > > In this case that partition has been destroyed. > The entire disk was repartitioned to boot FreeBSD only. Yes, well this is a big problem, as Macbooks have not anything we would term a BIOS and are UEFI-only, I'm informed by One Who Knows (bcc'd). There must be some firmware, but I gather it's mostly the EFI partition. Searching just for 'macbook' from https://www.freebsd.org/ produces quite a lot, the top one being https://wiki.freebsd.org/AppleMacbook which, while appearing somewhat out of date, indicates that a simple installation will destroy the Mac EFI partition, which is in essence equivalent to mis-flashing BIOS on a PC I guess; hopefully not a brick! Seems that you may need to reinstall OS/X and then use Bootcamp? to make room to multi-boot FreeBSD, or at least ensure the Mac EFI partition is left ok. Somewhat of a black art, requiring some non-standard (manual) partitioning and other tweaks. I didn't dive too deep; you'll need to! > > When you can access the FreeBSD loader prompt, entering the > > command "boot -C" will usually try to boot from optical media. Have you tried that from the loader OK prompt? You can also 'set boot_cdrom' then boot [-s as suggested, remounting / rw then fixing /boot/loader.conf] .. if that's really the only problem. I'm not sure, but you may be able to use the loader commands unload, load kernel, and then be able to unset the problematic 'vesa_load' (or worse, visa_load :), since to quote para 3 of loader(8), on 9.3R here: "After that, /boot/loader.rc is processed if available, and, failing that, /boot/boot.conf is read for historical reasons. These files are processed through the include com- mand, which reads all of them into memory before processing them, making disk changes possible." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > This is the same prompt where you can unload unwanted kernel > > modules, set a different kernel, or enter "boot -s" to continue > > into single user mode (where mounting / r/w and editing files > > using /rescue/vi would be possible). Indeed, once you can get that far .. 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Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:01:33 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:01:32 +0000 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20161113150132.1e2f7031@curlew.lan> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.13 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on curlew.lan X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Subject: Re: Problems running memtest86+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:01:38 -0000 On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 14:28:30 +0000 Manish Jain wrote: > I installed memtest86+ on my FreeBSD 11 box which had been installed a > few days back with the following partition schema on a 120 GB SSD : > > ada0p1 : 200M : efi > ada0p2 : 512K : freebsd-boot > ada0p3 : 115G : freebsd-ufs > ada0p4 : (remaining ~4G) : freebsd-swap > > I see no mention of ada0p1 or ada0p2 anywhere in fstab. Is that okay ? Yes, those partitions are only used by the boot process and aren't accessed by the running system so they don't need to be mounted. [snip] > Can anyone please tell me what to do to run memtest86+ with the current > setup ? Create a bootable CD or USB flash drive from your downloaded MemTest86 image and boot from that. -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 13 20:16:54 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26FCCC3FAF3 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:16:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbeis@xs4all.nl) Received: from lb1-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net (lb1-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net [194.109.24.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "*.xs4all.nl", Issuer "GlobalSign Domain Validation CA - SHA256 - G2" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7FC41F49 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:16:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbeis@xs4all.nl) Received: from yokozuna.lan ([83.160.85.125]) by smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net with ESMTP id 7YGj1u00C2iF10301YGka2; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:16:45 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]) by yokozuna.lan (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id uADKGgom050810 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:16:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mbeis@xs4all.nl) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:16:42 +0100 (CET) From: Marco Beishuizen X-X-Sender: marco@localhost Reply-To: Marco Beishuizen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: unbound forward.conf gets overwritten Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:16:54 -0000 Hi, I have a local caching dns running using unbound. Everything works, except accessing the cloud storage. In order to reach the cloud storage server I added "forward-addr: clo.ud.isp.dns" to /var/unbound/forward.conf. After a restart of unbound, the cloud storage is reachable. But after a reboot de file forward.conf gets overwritten and all forward addresses are gone. So how do I get the cloud storage address accessible in unbound? Regards, Marco -- Boy, that crayon sure did hurt! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 13 20:42:59 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC3CC40420 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:42:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 218EF1D8A for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:42:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-250-109.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.250.109]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 528AD24DF5; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:42:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id uADKgnNu002877; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:42:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:42:49 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Marco Beishuizen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unbound forward.conf gets overwritten Message-Id: <20161113214249.4834e89f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:42:59 -0000 On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:16:42 +0100 (CET), Marco Beishuizen wrote: > I have a local caching dns running using unbound. Everything works, except > accessing the cloud storage. In order to reach the cloud storage server I > added "forward-addr: clo.ud.isp.dns" to /var/unbound/forward.conf. After a > restart of unbound, the cloud storage is reachable. > > But after a reboot de file forward.conf gets overwritten and all forward > addresses are gone. > > So how do I get the cloud storage address accessible in unbound? If I remember correctly, /var/unbound content is getting generated automatically, so changes to those files will not survive a reboot. Check "man unbound.conf" on how to set the forward-addr options in the ("static") configuration file. At service (re)start, those should cause the required settings in /var/unbound/forward.conf to appear. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 13 20:53:53 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F9EC406E8 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:53:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbeis@xs4all.nl) Received: from lb3-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net (lb3-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net [194.109.24.31]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "*.xs4all.nl", Issuer "GlobalSign Domain Validation CA - SHA256 - G2" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6AB38120D for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:53:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbeis@xs4all.nl) Received: from yokozuna.lan ([83.160.85.125]) by smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net with ESMTP id 7Yti1u0072iF10301Ytjj8; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:53:43 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]) by yokozuna.lan (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id uADKrfho002129 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:53:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mbeis@xs4all.nl) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:53:41 +0100 (CET) From: Marco Beishuizen X-X-Sender: marco@localhost Reply-To: Marco Beishuizen To: Polytropon cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unbound forward.conf gets overwritten In-Reply-To: <20161113214249.4834e89f.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20161113214249.4834e89f.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:53:53 -0000 On Sun, 13 Nov 2016, the wise Polytropon wrote: > If I remember correctly, /var/unbound content is getting generated > automatically, so changes to those files will not survive a reboot. > Check "man unbound.conf" on how to set the forward-addr options in the > ("static") configuration file. At service (re)start, those should cause > the required settings in /var/unbound/forward.conf to appear. I've found a solution already: comment out the line "unbound_conf="/var/unbound/forward.conf"" in /etc/resolvconf.conf. At first I tried to add the forward-addr lines in unbound.conf, but that doesn't work. Why the forward.conf file gets overwritten every reboot by default is unclear. Regards, Marco -- The reason why worry kills more people than work is that more people worry than work. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 14 01:50:45 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39558C3F71D for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 01:50:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevlo@ns.kevlo.org) Received: from ns.kevlo.org (220-135-115-6.HINET-IP.hinet.net [220.135.115.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ns.kevlo.org", Issuer "ns.kevlo.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FE0F1A02 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 01:50:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevlo@ns.kevlo.org) Received: from ns.kevlo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.kevlo.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id uAE1lPYE084161 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:47:26 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from kevlo@ns.kevlo.org) Received: (from kevlo@localhost) by ns.kevlo.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id uAE1lOdR084160; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:47:24 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from kevlo) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:47:24 +0800 From: Kevin Lo To: Anton Yuzhaninov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bug in Documentation about Samba Message-ID: <20161114014724.GA84153@ns.kevlo.org> References: <2B15A429-C16F-4DCB-8A8B-57A378EB410B@mailbox.org> <442587dc-9425-ac6e-8a7e-f6bd4c199120@citrin.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <442587dc-9425-ac6e-8a7e-f6bd4c199120@citrin.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 01:50:45 -0000 On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 07:10:17PM -0500, Anton Yuzhaninov wrote: > > On 11/11/16 17:11, Philipp Gerloff wrote: > > I found a bug in the docs: > > > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-samba.html > > > > There is written: > > samba_enable="YES" > > > > > > But for Samba4 it has to be: > > samba_server_enable="YES" > > This already have been reported, but still not fixed :( > > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=213074 Fixed in r49666, thanks. Kevin From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 14 05:20:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60378C40375; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 05:20:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guiyangjinchukou09@vip.163.com) Received: from proxy90-7.mail.163.com (proxy90-7.mail.163.com [43.230.90.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2D19CD; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 05:20:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guiyangjinchukou09@vip.163.com) Received: from guiyangjinchukou09$vip.163.com ( [220.172.49.66] ) by ajax-webmail-wmsvr2 (Coremail) ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:10:54 +0800 (CST) X-Originating-IP: [220.172.49.66] Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:10:54 +0800 (CST) From: guiyangjinchukou09 To: re-builders@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, mckusick@mckusick.com, freebsd-subscribe@fug.com.br Subject: Inquiry X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Coremail Webmail Server Version SP_ntes V3.5 build 20160420(83524.8626) Copyright (c) 2002-2016 www.mailtech.cn 163vip MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <196214e1.19294a.158613ec9b0.Coremail.guiyangjinchukou09@vip.163.com> X-Coremail-Locale: zh_CN X-CM-TRANSID: rGZ4CgD3_3NeRylYNS8sAA--.2697W X-CM-SenderInfo: 5jxl5tpqjmx05fkxy0bxqzq4llsoil2tof0z/1tbiIh0iaFV4AVeI 6wABss X-Coremail-Antispam: 1U5529EdanIXcx71UUUUU7vcSsGvfC2KfnxnUU== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GBK Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 05:20:35 -0000 RGVhciBTaXIvTWFkYW0sCgogICBXZSBhcmUgYSBHdWl5YW5nIEltcG9ydCAmIEV4cG9ydCBUcmFk aW5nIENvLkx0ZCBpbiBHdWl6aG91IHByb3ZpbmNlIG9mIENoaW5hLG91ciBjb21wYW55IGlzIHZl cnkgaW50ZXJlc3RlZCBpbiB5b3VyIHByb2R1Y3RzLiBQbGVhc2Ugc2VuZCB5b3VyIHByb2R1Y3Sh r3MgY2F0YWxvZ3VlIGFuZCB3ZWJzaXRlIHRvIG1lIGFmdGVyIHJlY2VpdmluZyB0aGUgRS1tYWls IGZvciBoZWxwaW5nIG1lIHRvIGNob29zZSB5b3VyIHByb2R1Y3RzIGkgbmVlZC4KCiAKCldhaXRp bmcgZm9yIHlvdXIgcmVwbHkgc29vbi4KCiAKCkJlc3QgUmVnYXJkcwoKIAoKTXIuIFlhbmcKCiAK ClRlbGVwaG9uZSBOby4gOiAwMDg2LSgwKS0xMzExNjQ5NzkxOA== From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 14 05:47:03 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ADC9C40C1D for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 05:47:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1881AA3 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 05:47:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39417066 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 11:43:35 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id uAE5kxs6066570 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:46:59 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id uAE5kv6P066569 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:46:57 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:46:57 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: zfs send/receive as dump/restore alternative Message-ID: <20161114054657.GA66229@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 05:47:03 -0000 Dear Colleagues, I now run a couple of systems fully on zfs, and use e.g. "zfs send -Rv zroot@2016-10-01 > /mnt1/2016-09-25.zfs" for a full system backup to a remote file server. With restore(8), I could restore any separate filesystem or even a single file/directory from the dump, even interactively. How would you restore a) a single dataset or b) a single file from a replication stream package? I really need this mode of operation for undeleting users' files etc. Any ideas? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 14 06:38:55 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CAB0C3FC24 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 06:38:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x229.google.com (mail-it0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 498DF86C for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 06:38:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x229.google.com with SMTP id q124so96439166itd.1 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:38:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Bbjs/jzI08a7PdPncH4L/HXTmBrcE40kLRfM7wt8ytk=; b=uQrdMutCtTfQrbSPaxa84Nq/3PZs94xQmVb8QGPb7HLHWU6B3dk4ryELHS8ARxcENg WRqw4LrlvExhnzIihFkOLZ/+XKiGeEhfUNpxGzch4l2f6DVdhxHTdtEEcVuuLsbDjlY7 eK9Pu6T8KYA1KMKghDXsZyPk32736iiWZ0Al/SqGCWzvsP/KW5oABl4xjWqyocDvi58+ t4W8cf0A+a+8dKrrDmLFWnu1Le/blH23RlidiXkV/XPTvkosHdp9sk/G4glu5WrtZAnJ oGcA9Mbby6OHRDpWKOHGURh8KKInkL8tG+OWG5vaXd+Sbb4zv8SBplU/PHkFH9I45Ox5 KEqQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Bbjs/jzI08a7PdPncH4L/HXTmBrcE40kLRfM7wt8ytk=; b=kt0jCaGfpDgg3wfeKAyf+aQ3tuO5f850Ki3A1gQJp5pKgc5W2QAxvHCbZmsvCNEIdw wHKvNmiKNO0W7YBiBTdFFgOi0skoV6VWN7IHz9d7zxlWB8whQ5Ys9araFI587udhPj7m mfMV95llBudjMp8A0fIerUtVCiScAKP3aZhk2Kmdeu4ubyuadDbjejtTiN82OYQbPFYZ XVJM4BnP4GhgIN4IiWXJYhi2uqVIL4UQxOqUevMArsJRNoOsRg1Emg4kPli/akDRisAs VLtv6grzefe8KIqYPfaCLqbpBaJtMwOt+60ydtBuNuFf3LsS5/zhVhiP/K0eU6rzOsmd 3z3Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvdnncaz8Hf837b1QRiSB3gRHIZUq1OuxjYzwo0lj1iK/OEmczIp+TuFAYkk6k7FbYAn4mi+T7YI0uheWw== X-Received: by 10.107.34.84 with SMTP id i81mr27393912ioi.180.1479105534444; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:38:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.178.21 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:38:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Jack L." Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:38:14 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: How to disable KMS on radeon To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 06:38:55 -0000 How can I disable the loading/enable of KMS modesetting with X? My card is pre-kms radeon xpress 200M built into the laptop and it keeps loading kms modesetting and failing. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 14 07:07:42 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0B4C4059A for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:07:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fquest@paz.bz) Received: from mail.qcislands.net (mail.qcislands.net [23.235.65.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3758A1836 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fquest@paz.bz) Received: from 254-68-235-23.qcislands.net ([23.235.68.254] helo=[192.168.1.131]) by mail.qcislands.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c6BIF-000AC5-4c; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 23:03:03 -0800 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: Jim Pazarena Subject: dovecot / tcp-wrappers / FBSD 10.3 Message-ID: <2908f453-b0de-87ca-e527-5519cd96db35@paz.bz> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 23:02:55 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-local_scan: locally submitted (54) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:07:42 -0000 Can anyone share the proper config to get wrappers working in dovecot ? The dovecot examples do not seem to work, and I thought perhaps FBSD needs slightly different configs. I've compiled with: -DHAVE_LIBWRAP which I presume is the first step. The example for dovecot.conf in uncommenting: login_access_sockets = tcpwrap merely causes a log error of "imap-login: Error: connect(tcpwrap) failed: No such file or directory" Suggestions/Direction much appreciated. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 14 07:53:54 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F77C40C4D for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:53:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABA451606 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:53:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:1c1d:86a1:a200:b700]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D49EF2E10 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/D49EF2E10; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: zfs send/receive as dump/restore alternative To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20161114054657.GA66229@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <1bf448ae-a011-8c69-b199-17d71f4053c3@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:53:29 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20161114054657.GA66229@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qCGj6cNDwlkJRaFf7FfoH6b4QQrfJpxdr" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:53:54 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --qCGj6cNDwlkJRaFf7FfoH6b4QQrfJpxdr Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="JxLXpq0qjqQnRXLA2HHOxHElFqpfvsB2B"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1bf448ae-a011-8c69-b199-17d71f4053c3@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: zfs send/receive as dump/restore alternative References: <20161114054657.GA66229@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> In-Reply-To: <20161114054657.GA66229@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> --JxLXpq0qjqQnRXLA2HHOxHElFqpfvsB2B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 14/11/2016 05:46, Victor Sudakov wrote: > How would you restore a) a single dataset or b) a single file from a > replication stream package? I really need this mode of operation for > undeleting users' files etc. You have to 'zfs recv' your datastream and expand it out as a filesystem. Then you can simply copy individual files back to your live system, or you can do a zfs send / zfs recv of a single dataset to restore that. You can easily 'zfs recv' the datastream into a different root directory than it came from -- so you won't end up overwriting onesystem with the backup of another. There are scripts to do this in ports, but here's some I wrote myself: https://github.com/infracaninophile/zfs-backup I never did get round to writing a 'zfs-restore' script though. Cheers, Matthew --JxLXpq0qjqQnRXLA2HHOxHElFqpfvsB2B-- --qCGj6cNDwlkJRaFf7FfoH6b4QQrfJpxdr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJYKW2AXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2NTNBNjhCOTEzQTRFNkNGM0UxRTEzMjZC QjIzQUY1MThFMUE0MDEzAAoJELsjr1GOGkATeDgQAJKtd+AQCIHrBvhNlOJXMOOr +/7BYC6VE+E7hOiHzVKI1WewZXcnJY6ayx/IYvs6rU1qEXBxmM/4//NFfOAVbqQH Go+sdSqdhsppWkTDvp2oe95dNvvCDyjJu0WHtlPfu6nX6VIWGcA5J8RWTZydsC0J NK8m67E6Wnku6nlYAvB7NTiqVbdtK+JfO7/WrZ2/0FkyMxN/1sjQx0fQu/dsNCyv zfqvXZS69p7u88EHGn2naeeDE3fDun9ZE+QhViyPFwxPxHEV2zcfh60QW1bz13Ia QOHfRt+B9bUwb/DrdTXT2r5N6tws/o7rQ3BPQ6+2T98vdt9xvPVdvulKaerXwJEr N8/P3NPMH6WhLEFzIQi/UXApmJNFecn7BOaFVadCJhR9uwLzaEfciyVctOqiAFvr YXn56vLillPmAEMb8jAoXfAR0OVCxrzzlzwcCGm58AdvT4JO1VorYo/m7u1JI9V9 Elr/vS6m31QERSTsmJT8gei820MkhkYmhdh1/a9n4evDCKShn3Z9OTz4h/Mrki2p sQgoY3n7eOdXYJeqBQfac//6P+WiF0FwhXHWceLqilLvzYjrFFWUvsp+EsqOHuBK ABHSvybDb01frdf59ptkm3bWJnOetgSDk8PFon0i/MlCGIJvFYUzAH59AIvf6BSS 792GEEeLoY4xYNJd7ysw =6I+0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qCGj6cNDwlkJRaFf7FfoH6b4QQrfJpxdr-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 14 09:42:52 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA26C3D5A5 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:42:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EBF1C32; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:42:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39417296; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:39:24 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id uAE9gmwd074661; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:42:48 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id uAE9gk0m074659; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:42:46 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:42:46 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Matthew Seaman Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: zfs send/receive as dump/restore alternative Message-ID: <20161114094246.GA73849@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20161114054657.GA66229@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <1bf448ae-a011-8c69-b199-17d71f4053c3@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1bf448ae-a011-8c69-b199-17d71f4053c3@FreeBSD.org> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:42:52 -0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > > How would you restore a) a single dataset or b) a single file from a > > replication stream package? I really need this mode of operation for > > undeleting users' files etc. > > You have to 'zfs recv' your datastream and expand it out as a > filesystem. What if I have not enough space to expand the whole datastream as a filesystem? My replication stream package is 119G large at the moment one one server, I have neither free space nor spare time to expand the whole of it into an altroot. restore(8) did not require that. > Then you can simply copy individual files back to your live > system, or you can do a zfs send / zfs recv of a single dataset to > restore that. If I have a complete replication stream package, can I "zfs recv" a single dataset from it? It would be silly to expand the whole pool to extract a couple of files from zroot/usr/home/johndoe/docs > > You can easily 'zfs recv' the datastream into a different root directory > than it came from -- so you won't end up overwriting onesystem with the > backup of another. > There are scripts to do this in ports, but here's some I wrote > myself: > > https://github.com/infracaninophile/zfs-backup > > I never did get round to writing a 'zfs-restore' script though. > So if you ever get to restore several files and don't have enough space to receive the whole stream, what would you do? With restore or tar you can always do a partial extract. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 14 09:52:20 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8FFC3D95D for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:52:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E47D4137 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:52:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from zero-gravitas.local (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7BBFE2E88; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:52:13 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/7BBFE2E88; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: zfs send/receive as dump/restore alternative To: Victor Sudakov References: <20161114054657.GA66229@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <1bf448ae-a011-8c69-b199-17d71f4053c3@FreeBSD.org> <20161114094246.GA73849@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <2829d0f0-e719-dfd0-2ecc-669f2a0ed781@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:52:06 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20161114094246.GA73849@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sjow1O2G5rLlU7fcp2H13Sp3UsRqtUAaK" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:52:20 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --sjow1O2G5rLlU7fcp2H13Sp3UsRqtUAaK Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="3vGjCDp3kB6r4LKPDGg5TMLMAMJgQt080"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: Victor Sudakov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <2829d0f0-e719-dfd0-2ecc-669f2a0ed781@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: zfs send/receive as dump/restore alternative References: <20161114054657.GA66229@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <1bf448ae-a011-8c69-b199-17d71f4053c3@FreeBSD.org> <20161114094246.GA73849@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> In-Reply-To: <20161114094246.GA73849@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> --3vGjCDp3kB6r4LKPDGg5TMLMAMJgQt080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016/11/14 09:42, Victor Sudakov wrote: > What if I have not enough space to expand the whole datastream as a > filesystem? My replication stream package is 119G large at the moment > one one server, I have neither free space nor spare time to expand the > whole of it into an altroot. Yeah. You don't store the stream data as one big file, but you expand it out to a filesystem on receipt. That /shouldn't/ require very much more space than storing it as one big file. > If I have a complete replication stream package, can I "zfs recv" a > single dataset from it? It would be silly to expand the whole pool to > extract a couple of files from zroot/usr/home/johndoe/docs=20 No -- I don't think this is possible. If you want to be able to restore individual datasets, then you need to zfs send individual datasets. > So if you ever get to restore several files and don't have enough > space to receive the whole stream, what would you do? >=20 > With restore or tar you can always do a partial extract. Yes. ZFS is neither restore nor tar, and behaves differently. If you want a backup that behaves like a tar archive, then you could simply use tar(1) for your backups... 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Patrick Hess Message-ID: <9bfd872e-e66e-01df-3b91-6d301ae10f3b@phess.net> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 10:56:12 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Df-Sender: bWFpbGVyQHBoZXNzLm5ldA== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:57:34 -0000 On 02.11.2016 13:20, Manish Jain wrote: > But if set the X driver to nvidia (which should be the correct > default for my NVidia GT 710 card), I get a strange screen with 'startx' > : mostly black with patches of colours spread across the screen. What version of the nvidia driver are you using? Version 367 requires the nvidia-modeset.ko kernel module to be loaded; just loading nivida.ko won't be sufficient and can lead to the symptoms you are describing. Patrick -- If you'd like to send me a private message, make sure to remove the "_lists" part from my address. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 14 11:14:34 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0EAFC40A4E for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 11:14:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp3.irishbroadband.ie (smtp3.irishbroadband.ie [62.231.32.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9340012EB for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 11:14:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [89.127.62.20] (helo=smtp.lan.sohara.org) by smtp3.irishbroadband.ie with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1c6EdL-0004t3-Hh; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 10:37:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.87 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1c6Edp-000KHC-Hm; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 10:37:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 10:36:57 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Victor Sudakov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: zfs send/receive as dump/restore alternative Message-Id: <20161114103657.63c03ab1d039c59db18fad90@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20161114054657.GA66229@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20161114054657.GA66229@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 11:14:34 -0000 On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:46:57 +0700 Victor Sudakov wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I now run a couple of systems fully on zfs, and use e.g. > "zfs send -Rv zroot@2016-10-01 > /mnt1/2016-09-25.zfs" > for a full system backup to a remote file server. > > With restore(8), I could restore any separate filesystem or even a single > file/directory from the dump, even interactively. As others have indicated the zfs stream is not designed as an archive format but rather for efficient filesystem replication. > How would you restore a) a single dataset or b) a single file from a > replication stream package? I really need this mode of operation for > undeleting users' files etc. Undoing user mistakes is what snapshots were designed for (among other things). Install zfs-periodic to automate handling a set of hourly, daily, weekly and monthly snapshots (in /.zfs/snapshot/ with nice clear names like hourly-2016-11-14-08). Then there's no need to go to the backups for mistakes, just copy the old version from a suitable snapshot and use send/receive to maintain a near-live disaster recovery copy (preferably offsite). -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 14 14:49:18 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0D8C40C77 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:49:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D30F12D2; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:49:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39417582; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 20:45:50 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id uAEEnEs0078779; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 21:49:14 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id uAEEnBe8078778; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 21:49:11 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 21:49:11 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Matthew Seaman Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: zfs send/receive as dump/restore alternative Message-ID: <20161114144911.GA77411@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20161114054657.GA66229@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <1bf448ae-a011-8c69-b199-17d71f4053c3@FreeBSD.org> <20161114094246.GA73849@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <2829d0f0-e719-dfd0-2ecc-669f2a0ed781@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2829d0f0-e719-dfd0-2ecc-669f2a0ed781@FreeBSD.org> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:49:18 -0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > > What if I have not enough space to expand the whole datastream as a > > filesystem? My replication stream package is 119G large at the moment > > one one server, I have neither free space nor spare time to expand the > > whole of it into an altroot. > > Yeah. You don't store the stream data as one big file, but you expand > it out to a filesystem on receipt. That /shouldn't/ require very much > more space than storing it as one big file. Matthew, I'm not quite following you. Can you please rephrase? What's the optimal format for offline backup of the whole box for disaster recovery? Isn't that a replication stream? > > > If I have a complete replication stream package, can I "zfs recv" a > > single dataset from it? It would be silly to expand the whole pool to > > extract a couple of files from zroot/usr/home/johndoe/docs > > No -- I don't think this is possible. If you want to be able to restore > individual datasets, then you need to zfs send individual datasets. Inconvenient. > > > So if you ever get to restore several files and don't have enough > > space to receive the whole stream, what would you do? > > > > With restore or tar you can always do a partial extract. > > Yes. ZFS is neither restore nor tar, and behaves differently. If you > want a backup that behaves like a tar archive, then you could simply use > tar(1) for your backups... That would mean storing two copies of data: a backup for disaster recovery and an archive for restoring users' files and configs, which is not feasible. But I'll probably heed Steve's advice and use snapshots for undoing users' mistakes, instead of archives. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 14 15:31:31 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B770C4163D for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:31:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EFEDD3 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:31:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39417611; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 21:28:03 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id uAEFVRWk079075; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:31:27 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id uAEFVPVH079074; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:31:25 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:31:25 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: zfs send/receive as dump/restore alternative Message-ID: <20161114153124.GA78787@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20161114054657.GA66229@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20161114103657.63c03ab1d039c59db18fad90@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20161114103657.63c03ab1d039c59db18fad90@sohara.org> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:31:31 -0000 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > > I now run a couple of systems fully on zfs, and use e.g. > > "zfs send -Rv zroot@2016-10-01 > /mnt1/2016-09-25.zfs" > > for a full system backup to a remote file server. > > > > With restore(8), I could restore any separate filesystem or even a single > > file/directory from the dump, even interactively. > > As others have indicated the zfs stream is not designed as an > archive format but rather for efficient filesystem replication. Hopefully it's good for disaster recovery too. I have even written about my experience with zfs bare metal restore here: http://victor-sudakov.dreamwidth.org/357521.html > > How would you restore a) a single dataset or b) a single file from a > > replication stream package? I really need this mode of operation for > > undeleting users' files etc. > > Undoing user mistakes is what snapshots were designed for (among > other things). Install zfs-periodic to automate handling a set of hourly, > daily, weekly and monthly snapshots (in /.zfs/snapshot/ with > nice clear names like hourly-2016-11-14-08). Then there's no need to go to > the backups for mistakes, just copy the old version from a suitable snapshot Good idea and a fresh outlook, thank you. > and use send/receive to maintain a near-live disaster recovery copy > (preferably offsite). -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 14 16:05:14 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D5EC4035E for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:05:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E71EB3FE for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:05:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id uAEG51fS004679 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:05:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org To: FreeBSD Mailing List From: Gary Aitken Subject: Best time to sync ports? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:05:01 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:05:02 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:05:14 -0000 Can someone tell me what the best time to synchronize ports is, in terms of having a consistent ports tree? I thought I saw something about the end of the weekend was the best time, but I can't find it now. In any case, is there a period during which the ports tree is held frozen to get a consistent build? I try not to rebuild any ports once I get an environment that works across all apps I am using. I'm reluctant to rebuild anything unless necessary to correct a problem / bug. When I encounter a problem with a port I want to sync the ports tree and rebuild before reporting a bug, but when I do that I want the ports tree to be consistent enough to build (hopefully) everything in case that's necessary. Thanks, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 14 17:39:16 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05296C41F35 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:39:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [198.74.231.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D021F41 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:39:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [198.74.231.63]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6175146C58 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:39:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id uAEHdFsW062929 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:39:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id uAEHdF7C062926 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:39:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:39:14 -0500 (EST) From: doug Reply-To: doug@safeport.com To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: ezjail problem Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:39:15 -0500 (EST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:39:16 -0000 I am using ezjail-3.4.2. Changing the jail dir as defined by ezjail_jaildir in /usr/local/etc/ezjail.conf does not work. Install does not honor this change. This is easy enough to get around with a symlink. Am I missing something here? There is no option to construct the base jail without a buildworld having been done. Is there a technical reason for this? Thanks as always for any thought. DougD From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 14 18:30:53 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5526C41968 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:30:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22b.google.com (mail-it0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D31F1A6D for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:30:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id q124so136080517itd.1 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 10:30:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XciOdeiB4L5tXpambieWI78xLk4FOskv0PNBpgnAfNQ=; b=a3GflISVaLuHoOn+Uf5EHRm41AL2C3XOCnAcvdsZSG7GjsdY78kEWgO8l9HXSl+3yH m1g6Sm8WAe1uSzRfDOy3F2C5nAogvUEZbtngKmMl8v7Wlc6h6D85N3KoksPKl5e9bbPB IxZrwJCmQ7kVpFV+RV42tm96Lj7wtCm7h44marcJ3KfCilYm1WtHR1BUOBrAtW4EQery BnwutO56Tc66V/GzBNEAo5iwyk2BqqXQ25lYsfyKxbsIsnZTtMgfyc60SW0lLLOZbFxz 6wrefiMtmfh/CG6Gc+/X8veXxcnBc3OOfdjllxTj1RxSb4IdW34ZZafdrFgDQIqjfoTG fMTA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XciOdeiB4L5tXpambieWI78xLk4FOskv0PNBpgnAfNQ=; b=OOtpFm+B8gZjZhB6gYOKFyZV1eH8d40nawE9r5AG+fSSfQyHtxRexVLp9Vu6m0CeSB rnkJNyeSGbVKO2wceiZeBmp4dEnjOqmpvCrzHpDJ/xRxjel9oGc2qtGSMdvUfeCJnPPk y1LuOGB0IhJW073LaFOJOOSl43Nhz0KkjRDl/XvRAWXWCXnHX+ZmJRewBzg+/ZjUk2P0 REICnvSAbYroRMwPiOAUMmDqlZRESlsc/YxVhJiDFKlaZ9urevnpTJ7fo/CEQt43yUqm lqUXVlfqGVwNBKAEU1J5QHgr/mdkFLuyJIRIj4HWVr4uf+vjgyrrRyz/nsNOqwH/j3VI ZTxA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvf4wzLrmrZYGJU5arc6afAgXEd6h7cQ65LZW010z6M8EX0Jn8Q6MAASCtLUBoworA== X-Received: by 10.107.6.25 with SMTP id 25mr25375391iog.78.1479148253144; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 10:30:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.10.3] (cpe-24-165-207-226.neo.res.rr.com. [24.165.207.226]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id t129sm9804206iod.11.2016.11.14.10.30.52 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Nov 2016 10:30:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <582A02DC.2020100@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:30:52 -0500 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doug@safeport.com CC: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ezjail problem References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:30:53 -0000 doug wrote: > I am using ezjail-3.4.2. Changing the jail dir as defined by > ezjail_jaildir in /usr/local/etc/ezjail.conf does not work. Install does > not honor this change. This is easy enough to get around with a symlink. > Am I missing something here? > > There is no option to construct the base jail without a buildworld > having been done. Is there a technical reason for this? > > Thanks as always for any thought. > > DougD > If I read your post correctly, you want to change the default directory location for basejail. IIRC ezjail has a default config file where you can change the default basejail location. First change this file and then issue the install option to generate the basejail from the RELEASE version that matches what your running on the host. If that is not what you are trying to do then you have to post a better description of what your trying to do. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 14 20:07:18 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A5AC40405 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 20:07:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4465115B9 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 20:07:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id uAEJjwLA077775; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:45:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:45:58 -0500 (EST) From: DTD To: Ernie Luzar cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ezjail problem In-Reply-To: <582A02DC.2020100@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <582A02DC.2020100@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:45:58 -0500 (EST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 20:07:18 -0000 On Mon, 14 Nov 2016, Ernie Luzar wrote: > doug wrote: >> I am using ezjail-3.4.2. Changing the jail dir as defined by ezjail_jaildir >> in /usr/local/etc/ezjail.conf does not work. Install does not honor this >> change. This is easy enough to get around with a symlink. Am I missing >> something here? >> >> There is no option to construct the base jail without a buildworld having >> been done. Is there a technical reason for this? >> >> Thanks as always for any thought. >> >> DougD >> > > If I read your post correctly, you want to change the default directory > location for basejail. IIRC ezjail has a default config file where you can > change the default basejail location. First change this file and then issue > the install option to generate the basejail from the RELEASE version that > matches what your running on the host. > > If that is not what you are trying to do then you have to post a better > description of what your trying to do. Mistake was all mine. I had a dumb error in changing ezjail.conf. Thanks. My other question remains. Does having the jail have (potentially) a different userland than the host provide some functionality? I have always assumed the entire system needed to be updated at the same time. In any case the userland can/should not be a different release. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 00:17:58 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA90FC3016D for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 00:17:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1783611B5 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 00:17:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39427686; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 06:14:30 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id uAF0Hsq2083135; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 07:17:54 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id uAF0HpWJ083134; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 07:17:51 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 07:17:51 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: zfs send/receive as dump/restore alternative Message-ID: <20161115001751.GA83033@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20161114054657.GA66229@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20161114103657.63c03ab1d039c59db18fad90@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20161114103657.63c03ab1d039c59db18fad90@sohara.org> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 00:17:58 -0000 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > > I now run a couple of systems fully on zfs, and use e.g. > > "zfs send -Rv zroot@2016-10-01 > /mnt1/2016-09-25.zfs" > > for a full system backup to a remote file server. > > > > With restore(8), I could restore any separate filesystem or even a single > > file/directory from the dump, even interactively. > > As others have indicated the zfs stream is not designed as an > archive format but rather for efficient filesystem replication. BTW if anyone has experience with enterprise backup software for ZFS (e.g. for Solaris), how does it handle the task of restoring individual files? Oracle says "consider an enterprise backup solution... if you need per-file restoration": https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E18752_01/html/819-5461/gbchx.html -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 00:31:08 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549ADC308BC for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 00:31:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-in7.apple.com (mail-out7.apple.com [17.151.62.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 350E61D65 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 00:31:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from relay6.apple.com (relay6.apple.com [17.128.113.90]) by mail-in7.apple.com (Apple Secure Mail Relay) with SMTP id 04.9B.32245.5475A285; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:31:01 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 11973e16-f7e959a000007df5-59-582a5745683b Received: from [17.150.217.100] (Unknown_Domain [17.150.217.100]) (using TLS with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay6.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 4B.2A.23613.3475A285; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:30:59 -0800 (PST) From: Chuck Swiger Message-Id: <022AE8EF-815D-45D1-AEC8-0165BE7683CD@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.1 \(3251\)) Subject: Re: zfs send/receive as dump/restore alternative Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:30:58 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20161115001751.GA83033@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Cc: FreeBSD - To: Victor Sudakov References: <20161114054657.GA66229@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20161114103657.63c03ab1d039c59db18fad90@sohara.org> <20161115001751.GA83033@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3251) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrBLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FAYpesarhVhsGgvp8XLr5tYLHq7u1gd mDxmfJrP4vHrx2vWAKYoLpuU1JzMstQifbsErozOw2dZCp6qVVydbNDAuFqxi5GTQ0LARKLx yGS2LkYuDiGBvYwSLcva2eESV2axQiSmM0msOjCbESTBJqAisXjWf2YQm1fASuLH8QcsIDaz QJLEvS13WSDi+hJXvj0DqufgEBawlPjTwAFisgioSpx/kghSwSngINE0fykzRKeuRNONt2DT RQTUJVZsfgk2RUhgDaPE3Ud6EOfISnx6/pMd5BwJgTVsEjN6fzNOYBSYhWTzLCSbIeLaEssW vmaeBbSaWUBHYvJCNGEI++P5I0wLGNlWMQrlJmbm6GbmmeslFhTkpOol5+duYgQF9XQ7sR2M D1dZHWIU4GBU4uHdcVQzQog1say4MvcQozQHi5I4LyOXVoSQQHpiSWp2ampBalF8UWlOavEh RiYOTqkGxtlXVIo+b5msN+ehu/iupTwu1e1u9p9Oz56wdJ4ai0iMmsdlRo7FvAfzKjUmnJ/n 9P/vwsOM9j0GQbu+M0ae13ROO1jzovH8NacvRfl/J1z8zr0l/pMdb/LtmEMZhgIZQs7Z76p5 f/Mqe9cYljD/mceQ2ZfAF/Cl4aGb9q5up/4ldUwee+8eV2Ipzkg01GIuKk4EAAFOYrFLAgAA X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrHIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiOO1miq5zuFaEwYsdChYvv25isejt7mJ1 YPKY8Wk+i8evH69ZA5iiuGxSUnMyy1KL9O0SuDI6D59lKXiqVnF1skED42rFLkZODgkBE4nG K7NYIWwxiQv31rN1MXJxCAlMZ5JYdWA2I0iCTUBFYvGs/8wgNq+AlcSP4w9YQGxmgSSJe1vu skDE9SWufHsGVM/BISxgKfGngQPEZBFQlTj/JBGkglPAQaJp/lJmiE5diaYbb8GmiwioS6zY /BJsipDAGkaJu4/0IM6Rlfj0/Cf7BEa+WUiWzUKyDCKuLbFs4WvmWUDbmAV0JCYvRBOGsD+e P8K0gJFtFaNAUWpOYqWZXmJBQU6qXnJ+7iZGUHA2FEbtYGxYbnWIUYCDUYmHV+CEZoQQa2JZ cWXuIUYJDmYlEd4sX60IId6UxMqq1KL8+KLSnNTiQ4wTGYF+nMgsJZqcD4ydvJJ4QxMTAxNj YzNjY3MTc1oKK4nzmosCXSSQnliSmp2aWpBaBHMUEwenVANjX+dXwTdrdDP6n20zdvZUeOHJ xpJzV4bJrcrxxLLDHtwGK9hdHolWv31eErTY48I/bU6FCR2F9RuEWloF2xdcSlGLXl0T80mJ MXj+b807SdciJi16mSG+9qf8crOWPoVVh3P3n3vi7MWwcmq2q4DBzzers0RluL4ZydX8DhK9 u3kZ5/duxjtKLMUZiYZazEXFiQALtfNfwQIAAA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 00:31:08 -0000 On Nov 14, 2016, at 4:17 PM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >>>=20 >>> I now run a couple of systems fully on zfs, and use e.g. >>> "zfs send -Rv zroot@2016-10-01 > /mnt1/2016-09-25.zfs"=20 >>> for a full system backup to a remote file server. >>>=20 >>> With restore(8), I could restore any separate filesystem or even a = single >>> file/directory from the dump, even interactively. >>=20 >> As others have indicated the zfs stream is not designed as an >> archive format but rather for efficient filesystem replication. >=20 > BTW if anyone has experience with enterprise backup software for ZFS > (e.g. for Solaris), how does it handle the task of restoring > individual files? >=20 > Oracle says "consider an enterprise backup solution... if you need > per-file restoration": > https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E18752_01/html/819-5461/gbchx.html = The Sun E450 and E4500s I used to deal with had Legato NetWorker as = their "enterprise backup solution", which I think is now owned by EMC / Dell. It was somewhat smarter than doing a Unix filesystem level dump/restore. In particular, it understood a bunch of common filetypes and implemented delta archiving for mbox files and the like rather than having to = re-archive entire copies of changed files. (Think of Time Machine, except without a GUI or a nice graphically = viewable timeline which you could choose different versions from the backup by = date. Well, possibly Legato had an X11-based GUI tool, but the commandline = version worked much better at the time I was using it.) Regards, --=20 -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 00:57:32 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B49FC30FC6 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 00:57:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.137.131]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACA716B7 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 00:57:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ppp121-45-17-13.bras1.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([121.45.17.13]) by ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 15 Nov 2016 11:27:30 +1030 Subject: Re: Best time to sync ports? To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, FreeBSD Mailing List References: From: Shane Ambler Message-ID: <123a0953-6b86-54d0-a76c-acf78d4cfdd4@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:27:29 +1030 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 00:57:32 -0000 On 15/11/2016 02:35, Gary Aitken wrote: > Can someone tell me what the best time to synchronize ports is, > in terms of having a consistent ports tree? > > I thought I saw something about the end of the weekend was the best > time, but I can't find it now. In any case, is there a period during > which the ports tree is held frozen to get a consistent build? > > I try not to rebuild any ports once I get an environment that works > across all apps I am using. I'm reluctant to rebuild anything unless > necessary to correct a problem / bug. > > When I encounter a problem with a port I want to sync the ports tree and > rebuild before reporting a bug, but when I do that I want the ports tree > to be consistent enough to build (hopefully) everything in case that's > necessary. There is a stable branch of ports created quarterly that only receives security and build fixes. https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports-announce/2014-April/000079.html Using pkg, alter /usr/local/etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to use pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/quarterly instead of pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/latest using svn look at https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/branches/ for a list of available quarterly branches. -- FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing Shane Ambler From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 03:42:42 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E5FC428F8 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 03:42:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E3341E12; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 03:42:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id uAF3gYQ0060053 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Nov 2016 20:42:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id uAF3gYNT060048; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 20:42:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 20:42:34 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Ralf Mardorf cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, wblock@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Incomplete or wrong documentation In-Reply-To: <20161105154831.7d4f5ea5@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: References: <20161105154831.7d4f5ea5@archlinux.localdomain> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 14 Nov 2016 20:42:34 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 03:42:42 -0000 On Sat, 5 Nov 2016, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Sat, 5 Nov 2016 15:04:29 +0100, Rocky Hotas wrote: >> I noticed that some on-line documentation pages are wrong and/or >> incomplete. > > Assuming those pages should be the Wiki, you simply need to get an > account. The pages aren't immutable, everybody is allowed to edit them. > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/action/newaccount/FrontPage?action=newaccount > > Apart from the Wiki, the documentation has got a footer: > > "Questions that are not answered by the documentation may be sent to > . Send questions about this document to > ." The doc team's territory is the DocBook documentation, the man pages, and also the source code, at least for documentation purposes. The wiki is, well, something else. I remember you from the xfce mailing list, and would be happy to talk with you about any documentation issues. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 05:19:26 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E96C3FC68 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 05:19:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E683F1AEB for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 05:19:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39459556; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:15:57 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id uAF5JLE8085575; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:19:21 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id uAF5JJXW085572; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:19:19 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:19:19 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Chuck Swiger Cc: FreeBSD - Subject: Re: zfs send/receive as dump/restore alternative Message-ID: <20161115051918.GA83804@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20161114054657.GA66229@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20161114103657.63c03ab1d039c59db18fad90@sohara.org> <20161115001751.GA83033@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <022AE8EF-815D-45D1-AEC8-0165BE7683CD@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <022AE8EF-815D-45D1-AEC8-0165BE7683CD@mac.com> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 05:19:26 -0000 Chuck Swiger wrote: > >>> > >>> I now run a couple of systems fully on zfs, and use e.g. > >>> "zfs send -Rv zroot@2016-10-01 > /mnt1/2016-09-25.zfs" > >>> for a full system backup to a remote file server. > >>> > >>> With restore(8), I could restore any separate filesystem or even a single > >>> file/directory from the dump, even interactively. > >> > >> As others have indicated the zfs stream is not designed as an > >> archive format but rather for efficient filesystem replication. > > > > BTW if anyone has experience with enterprise backup software for ZFS > > (e.g. for Solaris), how does it handle the task of restoring > > individual files? > > > > Oracle says "consider an enterprise backup solution... if you need > > per-file restoration": > > https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E18752_01/html/819-5461/gbchx.html > > The Sun E450 and E4500s I used to deal with had Legato NetWorker as their > "enterprise backup solution", which I think is now owned by EMC / Dell. > > It was somewhat smarter than doing a Unix filesystem level dump/restore. > In particular, it understood a bunch of common filetypes and implemented > delta archiving for mbox files and the like rather than having to re-archive > entire copies of changed files. > So it probably worked on the file level like tar/cpio or Apple's Time Machine. It's good for restoring user files, but what would Legato do to restore a system from scratch in the event of a crash? I would never risk using tar or any other file level archiver to restore/clone a complete FreeBSD system for fear of omitting some filesystem features (hardlinks, EAs etc). Would you? PS I remember our Windows admins working with Symantec Backup. For a system recovery after a catastropic crash, it required a Windows bootable installation CD with the exact version of Windows being restored. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 05:55:11 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B57C4255A for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 05:55:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 342081F73 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 05:55:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id uAF5t5ox007555 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:55:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org To: FreeBSD Mailing List From: Gary Aitken Subject: gdb / dwarf issue Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:55:05 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:55:06 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 05:55:11 -0000 I'm having trouble getting gdb to agree to look at symbols: $ cd /usr/ports/graphics/rawtherapee $ make showconfig ===> The following configuration options are available for rawtherapee-4.2_3: OPENMP=on: Enable multicore processing using OpenMP OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS=off: Use extra compiler optimizations (requires SSE support) $ file /usr/local/bin/rawtherapee /usr/local/bin/rawtherapee: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked, interpreter /libexec/ld-elf.so.1, for FreeBSD 10.3, not stripped $ gdb /usr/local/bin/rawtherapee GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd"...Dwarf Error: wrong version in compilation unit header (is 4, should be 2) [in module /usr/local/bin/rawtherapee] (gdb) break main No symbol table is loaded. Use the "file" command. My search found implications that a single dependent library with optimization turned on could cause this to happen; is that what I'm seeing here, or something else? If so, is there an easy way to find out which libraries have compiler optimization turned on that causes this? Or do I need to be running something else like the gdb66 port? Or?... 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Kukulies" Subject: keeping up with pkg after major OS upgrade Message-ID: <1938b471-0e90-8cd8-4095-e2cae6ed3603@kukulies.org> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:01:29 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:01:37 -0000 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 10:10:25 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8060DC41E31 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:10:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [78.47.239.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4397E1ED1 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:10:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD1F4DA409 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:10:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Smv-fRMomVTX for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:10:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.27.4.215] (unknown [87.79.34.228]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1ABC04DA408 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:10:22 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: keeping up with pkg after major OS upgrade To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <1938b471-0e90-8cd8-4095-e2cae6ed3603@kukulies.org> From: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" Message-ID: <64e1ad7b-dffa-5446-d27a-ab6d7923ffd6@kukulies.org> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:10:23 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1938b471-0e90-8cd8-4095-e2cae6ed3603@kukulies.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:10:25 -0000 Sorry, I sent an html-email. Here is the raw text: I upgraded my a bit older 9.2 via 10.0->10.3->11.0-RELEASE. Now it seems that my ports and packages seem outdated. How can I keep up and make my system in sync with the presence? root@myrouter:~ # pkg install isc-dhcp41-server pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg-static install -f pkg" recommended Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... Fetching meta.txz: 100% 944 B 0.9kB/s 00:01 Fetching packagesite.txz: 100% 6 MiB 641.6kB/s 00:09 Processing entries: 100% FreeBSD repository update completed. 25385 packages processed. Updating database digests format: 100% New version of pkg detected; it needs to be installed first. The following 1 package(s) will be affected (of 0 checked): Installed packages to be UPGRADED: pkg: 1.8.7_1 -> 1.8.8 Number of packages to be upgraded: 1 The process will require 2 MiB more space. 3 MiB to be downloaded. Proceed with this action? [y/N]: y Fetching pkg-1.8.8.txz: 100% 3 MiB 660.8kB/s 00:04 Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) [1/1] Upgrading pkg from 1.8.7_1 to 1.8.8... [1/1] Extracting pkg-1.8.8: 100% Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... FreeBSD repository is up-to-date. All repositories are up-to-date. pkg: No packages available to install matching 'isc-dhcp41-server' have been found in the repositories root@myrouter:~ # -- Christoph Am 15.11.2016 um 11:01 schrieb Christoph P.U. Kukulies: > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 10:31:01 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6EBC42877 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:31:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [78.47.239.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E906DD9A for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:31:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0934DA409 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:30:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7qV8XYBAr4lD for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:30:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.27.4.215] (unknown [87.79.34.228]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3F4664DA408 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:30:58 +0100 (CET) To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" Subject: ports build isc-dhcp43-server-4.3.4 pkg-static: PRE-INSTALL script failed Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:30:59 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:31:01 -0000 after the stepwise upgrade from 9.2 to 11.0-RELEASE I was building the isc-dhcp43-server and the following quirks happened at the end of the install: # make install ===> Installing for isc-dhcp43-server-4.3.4 ===> Checking if isc-dhcp43-server already installed ===> Registering installation for isc-dhcp43-server-4.3.4 Installing isc-dhcp43-server-4.3.4... ===> Creating groups. Creating group 'dhcpd' with gid '136'. ===> Creating users Creating user 'dhcpd' with uid '136'. pw: user 'dhcpd' disappeared during update pkg-static: PRE-INSTALL script failed **** To setup dhcpd, please edit /usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf. **** This port installs the dhcp daemon, but doesn't invoke dhcpd by default. If you want to invoke dhcpd at startup, add these lines to /etc/rc.conf: dhcpd_enable="YES" # dhcpd enabled? dhcpd_flags="-q" # command option(s) dhcpd_conf="/usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf" # configuration file dhcpd_ifaces="" # ethernet interface(s) dhcpd_withumask="022" # file creation mask ... ... -- Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 10:36:05 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78821C42B20 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:36:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY004-OMC4S12.hotmail.com (bay004-omc4s12.hotmail.com [65.54.190.214]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F00D10B5 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:36:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from EUR01-VE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.54.190.201]) by BAY004-OMC4S12.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Tue, 15 Nov 2016 02:34:59 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=tGpBJMQR6zOJVDbRX/IuQ2HGuCpRomZrTVYfq8ZRisk=; b=Y/xmdox7CThF8vYpMmT7tNzA6QwvOsJsdwTpFGu4HOWi5EyP8uFDk+eGAcJfk/jWZRGCIgw+JO2gkP4e2bM0ttHsleFn0JshqOSQktkyWe8Wv9m/XyEYtVtBrNvQn37yYa+LXn/nh1KqSDuIx5Be7W5xAcHWq9tFuhiplw9bGHjbYxLk4gKk1sKe73sPwyUwlF02jXZJs5rrmfh04whbGSOciW+HMXWsEBizNCgh6xJGY0LmbUkdT7Pu9mDWppqGkMCPOKTop8xWR+Z0vyV+JAYHC8S1wuqqHt9RIv7mFt7JUBMoAeEawGtno5JUk5F5UvPCk/qBiW3Bpxt4KVXQ3g== Received: from DB5EUR01FT040.eop-EUR01.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.4.59) by DB5EUR01HT124.eop-EUR01.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.5.172) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.707.3; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:34:39 +0000 Received: from VI1PR02MB0974.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.152.4.54) by DB5EUR01FT040.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.5.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.707.3 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:34:39 +0000 Received: from VI1PR02MB0974.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com ([10.163.162.28]) by VI1PR02MB0974.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com ([10.163.162.28]) with mapi id 15.01.0707.015; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:34:38 +0000 From: Manish Jain To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Is there an application that can connect to LCD eWriter ? 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Kukulies" Subject: problem starting dhcpd Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:06:56 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:06:57 -0000 /usr/local/etc/rc.d # ./isc-dhcpd start chown: dhcpd: illegal user name ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: unable to change permissions of /var/run/dhcpd ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: safe_run: chown dhcpd:dhcpd /var/db/dhcpd ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: unable to change permissions of /var/db/dhcpd chown: dhcpd: illegal user name ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: unable to change permissions of /var/db/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases Starting dhcpd. ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: failed to start dhcpd /etc/passwd: dhcpd:*:136:136::0:0:ISC DHCP daemon:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin /etc/group: dhcpd:*:136: -- Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 11:27:37 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7F5C43E71 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:27:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22d.google.com (mail-it0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E6D6F34 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:27:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id b123so91505320itb.0 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 03:27:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=kQ7OzJ+MCkjTIqb5+v00ZmjJE8h1e59ohrtiNYznDK8=; b=K8ltKWY/YZ6I2Zj5bekVxDp1ZFZwS5t/+LysxVG19mb/QMq4ASyY1qMvEwRN9iBM87 /l0/iMRFj3XvEd+SsMR1tJ+Iufhi79itNSzyJ+UairVSLSnhxyt4LYLb4HYtnuEPipd7 YgYnTr/0WSqsDVryUF4hinHKOHY21IblAzcWB32mJ+uHe9MID9OAB3I8Wy3OQaJfFsEV B41xipxLBEjBg+1wDUPhZGLEXx+NBqkNMeBnj/q0zAmvO/NZvMSKy9ZCJwShsnO7oPcu Ie7yEZ7Mv2aKw7NdGGAUzTWhUB7AHBdEi8FsXxBjIIbV2dw5dkajm6JY9QSb3W25YtpN H6NQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=kQ7OzJ+MCkjTIqb5+v00ZmjJE8h1e59ohrtiNYznDK8=; b=iR0mjlYEdBX4DYCHdhwnWAiLa7Tus+4o2EfoZztOdqXPFyBa/IFr2GesNtH5jyjMLr TbdZrddVqAycZMeguhsHgQXbHDlgPNOGN3QQcKYS4aMEMqq4LBKgxnWQqL4Su//IwWe2 OnBjpRE9rVqwmxT6R4vddK4hPMYYn2FJnASEehDpKrBWxbFfmsMD/mhXhPZogLVZbhaD c5rZUpZ8miUTX+uGbXXrzEITtaY7k6M4dYQe437Q4+8UPcrVpD5if/WC8mR83iodeL5v CZn13+hIFKlY4494tdGyGKeNVPzNuD3lUL8L735y8iOUWnVVeocrgzs1cG720UUbDOi+ 9dAQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvfB3iFJe5dwIwIj2Y3OpqKxXB2zYiahI71m18wTFgyhM3yFetk5tGzNdrBQ4FdSitXlGvGp9t3PKBBz4Q== X-Received: by 10.107.182.193 with SMTP id g184mr13274782iof.215.1479209256641; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 03:27:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.17.199 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 03:27:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <64e1ad7b-dffa-5446-d27a-ab6d7923ffd6@kukulies.org> References: <1938b471-0e90-8cd8-4095-e2cae6ed3603@kukulies.org> <64e1ad7b-dffa-5446-d27a-ab6d7923ffd6@kukulies.org> From: Ben Woods Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:27:36 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: keeping up with pkg after major OS upgrade To: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:27:37 -0000 On 15 November 2016 at 18:10, Christoph P.U. Kukulies wrote: > Sorry, I sent an html-email. Here is the raw text: > > I upgraded my a bit older 9.2 via 10.0->10.3->11.0-RELEASE. > > > Now it seems that my ports and packages seem outdated. > > How can I keep up and make my system in sync with the presence? > > > root@myrouter:~ # pkg install isc-dhcp41-server > pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg-static > install -f pkg" recommended > Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... > Fetching meta.txz: 100% 944 B 0.9kB/s 00:01 > Fetching packagesite.txz: 100% 6 MiB 641.6kB/s 00:09 > Processing entries: 100% > FreeBSD repository update completed. 25385 packages processed. > Updating database digests format: 100% > New version of pkg detected; it needs to be installed first. > The following 1 package(s) will be affected (of 0 checked): > > Installed packages to be UPGRADED: > pkg: 1.8.7_1 -> 1.8.8 > > Number of packages to be upgraded: 1 > > The process will require 2 MiB more space. > 3 MiB to be downloaded. > > Proceed with this action? [y/N]: y > Fetching pkg-1.8.8.txz: 100% 3 MiB 660.8kB/s 00:04 > Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) > [1/1] Upgrading pkg from 1.8.7_1 to 1.8.8... > [1/1] Extracting pkg-1.8.8: 100% > Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... > FreeBSD repository is up-to-date. > All repositories are up-to-date. > pkg: No packages available to install matching 'isc-dhcp41-server' have > been found in the repositories > root@myrouter:~ # > > -- > > Christoph pkg has correctly upgraded itself, but now it can't find the package you are trying to install. The reason is because the package no longer exists, as a newer package has replaced it. Try: $ pkg search isc-dhcp Alternatively you can search on FreshPorts here: http://www.freshports.org/search.php?query=isc-dhcp&search=go&num=10&stype=name&method=match&deleted=excludedeleted&start=1&casesensitivity=caseinsensitive What you will want is: # pkg install isc-dhcp43-server Good luck! Regards, Ben From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 13:33:04 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0010C436B8 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:33:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd_atog@comcast.net) Received: from resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Organization Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0C0218A9 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:33:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd_atog@comcast.net) Received: from resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.112]) by resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id 6dqvclFgk8GkC6drCcSbQS; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:33:02 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1479216782; bh=kk9YyMZPYlP+/j/6Ka4gEosY6Z0Q3nm/LVSLYuneBro=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=svL/GTt0oUg3Un9WIzS3UyBxIhAwmixdGZRbHLLuLAZDRy9qR2/iyq/NVDasuf2VN Hrr1NX4cTSr1keoog1+qKyLODCQdjJd2cOCWx9RQH3oIY/Sg8cNAac8iCpF54kAz/4 PF+4prJcYRo7yhzZeptyf3gE89btbrlG5arMSniL7yVkXejZCksIRuJ3JnHMC5tcrt PARPYKrADB5OFLs4mxeaoXhJWz0lDNmHEDBNzb2CAJqUS89n/FjNBeVT1IQwvJMpco iv2+obGEKKqxtPC9sqil83jXrlZYvAMPr8uUjFMRAxwjBhskiPpcBBW08e7xARlK5z PYnLagwsBvCAg== Received: from KoggyBSD.org ([68.60.93.182]) by resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id 6drAcJFA8VBj26drCciBV8; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:33:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 09:35:12 -0500 From: Allen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hello - i5 processors and,Nvidia GPUs Message-ID: <20161115093512.60e3597c@KoggyBSD.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; i386-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfESPu0yoI2pJTO/Ou9TZlKR4vGyEYzumohUgFb/sppBYmCOArPED6DZYZKoA6IVjUlywxscH/AgedSYPW3/g3l7vRWCUzPmRdaRen1VWNXfdist5QKy4 Kjgiu4cTQZPQ3jColEcMlK+DiYVHx3K9zJ98rpqSQEYHBOSVuOvleptAgUUYESt23r6/VjuLe83+4Q== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:33:05 -0000 > > PS > May I make a suggestion? why does not the FreeBSD project sell > > computers that are fully compatible with FreeBSD. The proceeds > > would go straight to the project to fund + r&d. Just an idea. I > > would certainly buy a computer from you guys. The confusion > > surrounding compatibilities etc is mind boggling. It does not have > > to be this way. It could be so much simpler, I think. Well, i am > > not an expert so maybe I am talking nonsense. I just wanted to pop in here real quick and add something to that: iX Systems. They're the main company that I know of that actually sells machines with BSD on them. Just check out the iX Systems page, and look through the products they offer. I don't work for them and so I feel no shame in giving them a Thumbs up and a free Plug on my end, and I've seen their work before, and I respect them. I go to the FreeBSD Mall when I'm ordering stuff I want for BSD related things, and also, if you're a fan of Slackware Linux, they are also the "back end" of that as well. I first learned about this years ago when I had a particularly large order from both The FreeBSD Mall, and the Slackware Store, and though I had already suspected they were very close, being that FreeBSD CD and or DVD sets look almost exactly like Slackware ones do (I've been buying from this company for a long time, and you tend to notice things like this) and seeing the Slackware CD set I bought looking a lot like the FreeBSD CD Sets I'd bought, was only a small part of it, but one day, the large order I'm talking about, I'd paid extra to get my things overnighted to me so I could get my stuff quicker, and the next day, I had a very large box on my Porch, and inside were BOTH my FreeBSD Mall Purchases, and my Slackware Store Purchases, all in the same box, and with all of the things I ordered. Oh, by the way; I also use that site to order my copies of BSD Magazine, which I love dearly, and Mouse Pads, Shirts, Boxers, basically everything. I also got my Copy of Marshal Kirk McKusick's DVD as well, which I HIGHLY Recommend to ANYONE with even the slightest interest in the History of BSD and Unix in general, and I Love watching it. It's entertaining how he goes about it, and very well done. It's basically a recorded speach he did at a BSD Con, and I highly recommend it. If you can't find it, just look for his Web Site, as I know he sells them from his site now. So you shouldn't have any problems finding it. I actually received a phone call the last time I ordered some things from the FreeBSD Mall, because they had run out of one of the things I ordered, and not only did they call to apologize for running out, but they asked me what I wanted to make things right. To say that I was amazed doesn't even come close; Most online Companies wouldn't have even bothered to try, and when I told the girl that called me that she could just put whatever she wanted in there, I didn't expect the amount of stuff I got; I'm not even sure what it was now that they had run out of, but in place of that item, she sent me a bunch of things to make up for it. I felt bad for getting so much stuff over that because I'm pretty sure it was simply an issue of BSD Magazine that they had sold out of, and BSD Magazine normally costs more than 10 dollars per issue, and they had a bunch of them on sale, which, I think they may still be on sale, for VERY cheap, and, to make up for one issue, I got a bunch of FreeBSD and PC-BSD Stickers, which I love, and then, I got some FreeBSD Bumper Stickers as well, and then, I got some Case Stickers (The ones that are the size of the Intel Inside, or "Made for Windows whatever" and so on) and so I ended up getting LOTS of Stickers, which is great, and then, I got the Bumper Stickers, and then, I got a new Bracelet that says FreeBSD, and a few other things. But the point is, they went above and beyond anything I thought necessary, and they apologized, and all around, this was one of the first times I've ever had to choose something else because they had run out of stock, and I spend a decent amount of Money on both stores, so I've got plenty of experience with them, and I've always had a great experience and been treated very well. In short; Check out iX Systems, and you'll see they have a decent amount of Hardware. I do not know for certain if they are still selling Workstations, but the Servers they sell, are VERY reasonably priced machines, and I personally have been trying to get one myself. There's very good Ads in BSD Magazine for their Company, and the only reason I'm not sure about Workstations, is that the last time I looked, I couldn't find any Workstations for sale, but was told they did still have some for sale, so if you're serious about this, check them out, and see what they have, and even if you end up buying a low end Server, it will not only serve you well, but you can rest assured that EVERY piece of Hardware in that machine, will be built with BSD in mind. Also; Don't forget that they are the company that backs up PC-BSD, which is FreeBSD with a nice pain job, some nice GUI easy to use tools, and a PBI System that even Microsoft could learn a few things from. Sorry for the length of the post but it's mighty hard to run out of good things to say about iX Systems. -Allen > Ah, FreeBSD is essentially a server. It works nicely as a desktop, > but this needs some time and user skills. For making available a new > and retailed computer that works out-of-the-box, I have set up a > website last month. You can have a look at my website. If you like my > website, I shall be delighted to honour you as my first customer. I > offer free 24x7 support. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 13:49:14 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACCCEC43B79 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:49:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no", Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A77B1F1E for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:49:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id uAFDn8qq096811 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:49:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id uAFDn7jt096808; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:49:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:49:07 +0100 (CET) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: problem starting dhcpd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.fig.ol.no Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:49:14 -0000 On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:06+0100, Christoph P.U. Kukulies wrote: > /usr/local/etc/rc.d # ./isc-dhcpd start > chown: dhcpd: illegal user name > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: unable to change permissions of /var/run/dhcpd > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: safe_run: chown dhcpd:dhcpd /var/db/dhcpd > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: unable to change permissions of /var/db/dhcpd > chown: dhcpd: illegal user name > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: unable to change permissions of > /var/db/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases > Starting dhcpd. > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: failed to start dhcpd > > > > /etc/passwd: > > dhcpd:*:136:136::0:0:ISC DHCP daemon:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin Does /etc/master.passwd contain the dhcpd user? Are the hash tables, /etc/pwd.db and /etc/spwd.db up to date? Here's one way of ensuring this using csh syntax, the default shell for the root user: setenv EDITOR ee # choose the ee editor over the vi editor vipw Make a small change, say entering a space on the first line, then remove said space, save the file using esc, enter, enter in rapid succession. > /etc/group: > > dhcpd:*:136: The group file seems correct, and it doesn't have a hash table counterpart unlike the /etc/{master.,}passwd files. Next, try running the chown command manually, e.g.: chown dhcpd:dhcpd /var/db/dhcpd /var/run/dhcpd -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestøl, | Trond Endrestøl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjøvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 14:50:05 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90ABC4301E for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:50:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dr.klepp@gmx.at) Received: from vie01a-qmta-at50-2.mx.upcmail.net (vie01a-qmta-at50-2.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.167]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B9D5138 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:50:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dr.klepp@gmx.at) Received: from [172.31.218.14] (helo=vie01a-dmta-at50-2.mx.upcmail.net) by vie01a-pqmta-at50.mx.upcmail.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c6ero-0004Kk-21 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 15:37:44 +0100 Received: from [172.31.216.41] (helo=vie01a-pemc-psmtp-at50) by vie01a-dmta-at50.mx.upcmail.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c6erh-0007aG-RK for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 15:37:37 +0100 Received: from t60.lan ([85.126.97.210]) by vie01a-pemc-psmtp-at50 with SMTP @ mailcloud.upcmail.net id 8Edd1u00Z4YLlkt0BEddvw; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 15:37:37 +0100 X-SourceIP: 85.126.97.210 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=FpZHxCjq c=1 sm=2 tr=0 a=/Ac8Q0O/YFE5LOLfUiYZVw==:117 a=/Ac8Q0O/YFE5LOLfUiYZVw==:17 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=_l7E8anwVUUi-cjw9G0A:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=bxiaV7ZPRDEA:10 From: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: zfs: how to find out when a disk failed Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 15:37:37 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 (enterprise35 0.20100827.1168748) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201611151537.37907.dr.klepp@gmx.at> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:50:05 -0000 Hi all! I have a server with a zfs raid-z1 (3 disks). One disk failed/was removed some time ago and was not replaced till now. Is there a way to find out when the disk failed/was removed? Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 14:55:38 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3175DC433F0 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:55:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B76397C for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.88) (envelope-from ) id 1c6f90-0002yL-Mj; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 07:55:30 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 07:55:30 -0700 From: The Doctor To: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: problem starting dhcpd Message-ID: <20161115145530.GA3776@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:55:38 -0000 On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 12:06:56PM +0100, Christoph P.U. Kukulies wrote: > /usr/local/etc/rc.d # ./isc-dhcpd start > chown: dhcpd: illegal user name > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: unable to change permissions of /var/run/dhcpd > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: safe_run: chown dhcpd:dhcpd /var/db/dhcpd > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: unable to change permissions of /var/db/dhcpd > chown: dhcpd: illegal user name > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: unable to change permissions of > /var/db/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases > Starting dhcpd. > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: failed to start dhcpd > > > > /etc/passwd: > > dhcpd:*:136:136::0:0:ISC DHCP daemon:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin > > > /etc/group: > > dhcpd:*:136: > > > -- > > Christoph > Have you tried a pwd_mkdb /etc/master.passwd ? > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca God,Queen and country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! http://www.fullyfollow.me/rootnl2k Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism Lest we forget 11 Nov From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 16:32:19 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DD6C431F6 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:32:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [78.47.239.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA94989 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:32:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7BE4DA409 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 17:32:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DDrDggD_xmnE for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 17:32:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.27.4.215] (unknown [87.79.34.228]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B9A464DA408 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 17:32:16 +0100 (CET) To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" Subject: wireless woes ieee80211_new_state_locked: pending INIT -> SCAN transition lost Message-ID: <1ea7734e-cb60-0892-f7b3-c228aee53471@kukulies.org> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 17:32:19 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:32:19 -0000 Nov 15 18:02:30 myrouter kernel: wlan0: ieee80211_new_state_locked: pending INIT -> SCAN transition lost ifconfig wlan0 wlan0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 ether 80:1f:02:e6:95:e1 inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 nd6 options=29 media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11g status: running ssid fantasy_name channel 1 (2412 MHz 11g) bssid 80:1f:02:e6:95:e1 regdomain FCC country US authmode WPA2/802.11i privacy MIXED deftxkey 2 AES-CCM 2:128-bit AES-CCM 3:128-bit txpower 30 scanvalid 60 protmode CTS wme dtimperiod 1 -dfs groups: wlan rc.conf: dhcpd_enable="YES" # dhcpd enabled? dhcpd_flags="-q" # command option(s) dhcpd_conf="/usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf" # configuration file dhcpd_ifaces="wlan0" # ethernet interface(s) dhcpd_withumask="022" # file creation mask hostapd_enable="YES" wlans_urtwn0="wlan0" create_args_wlan0="wlanmode hostap" ifconfig_wlan0="inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" #ifconfig_wlan0="inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 ssid fantasy channel 1" commented (!) hostapd.conf: interface=wlan0 debug=1 ctrl_interface=/var/run/hostapd ctrl_interface_group=wheel ssid=fantasy_name channel=1 wpa=2 wpa_passphrase=§$%&/§$%&/ wpa_key_mgmt=WPA-PSK wpa_pairwise=CCMP The point is: clients don't receive a DHCP lease. Also I don't know how to get into mode 11n and get automatic channel choosing. -- Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 17:48:31 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19415C437C9 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 17:48:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x229.google.com (mail-it0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1128EC2 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 17:48:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x229.google.com with SMTP id c20so163642636itb.0 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 09:48:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=l0XF7GC5L2hhpFhoztEOPe6BNpJFHLfxCIjeTC3/DKs=; b=nDzqe8vebT480h+VJ1/5SUDJqp27BeAakd/WypHH9dUT/SItWrNU3M2r6fqCjeJCDB KqikbiOn0gs6M+2rsDaH7j/45x3BP/Vki/rs2kAmtdS2DKUIigRAlEsoVSKWt4FkLcvK N8YaYfgOjMiOZW3z3fkil1fODocewzG2VLQva/PJoHXaEM4vSXk8quEXpXr+KQdzQRrv EhHS60QxpVUdgHWAAo8jSgjqDyyK02gxqDIgjOisEwz8wZlYJt7NPqwp6e1cX7ZA66o+ Ny8BjN92MyXfWiaibe2O8eBMulJAEE8s4pYJRAl5UUaptuuMYIVBTVBbAYyVxt3S84ll qSBw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=l0XF7GC5L2hhpFhoztEOPe6BNpJFHLfxCIjeTC3/DKs=; b=JL70//ZW96rNIYm53Co41RykSSG/ul9aZPsFTfDybIgiZvZaH++VOYzx0Xh0zYCAW7 exG/v6uYTGItMlpRFCPW4uJGPB86p4Z9zO4jWrWznfrseoHX8VezH167aObEYs9HlEmt AMzTuapOKkY7FY/5V80aJIe+oiiYHHAO2VCFXreUOOX4/yY317C460NGTm+zmdwW3keg tCU022o0xx/l9zx65LLYpw9N2R9HAlvoB7da18/+yWSugFotKXhD6zKi+N1xLE5AZ3ux qfopg+ne0OZ5XwxNFp3p3bsU7uQzVSGxzja75ByqrpCORkdC9zCux7CY0Vkd8JuBXB6V utsA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvcU9JBe9sgzzLSq+SKy5dGdolzPset04dsnAq95dctZZKPtIqjbLLiAOe9qkGo2IQ== X-Received: by 10.36.237.193 with SMTP id r184mr4176667ith.4.1479232110301; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 09:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.10.3] (cpe-24-165-207-226.neo.res.rr.com. [24.165.207.226]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id x63sm11738876iod.5.2016.11.15.09.48.29 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 15 Nov 2016 09:48:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <582B4A75.9030806@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:48:37 -0500 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DTD CC: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ezjail problem References: <582A02DC.2020100@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 17:48:31 -0000 DTD wrote: > On Mon, 14 Nov 2016, Ernie Luzar wrote: > >> doug wrote: >>> I am using ezjail-3.4.2. Changing the jail dir as defined by >>> ezjail_jaildir in /usr/local/etc/ezjail.conf does not work. Install >>> does not honor this change. This is easy enough to get around with a >>> symlink. Am I missing something here? >>> >>> There is no option to construct the base jail without a buildworld >>> having been done. Is there a technical reason for this? >>> >>> Thanks as always for any thought. >>> >>> DougD >>> >> >> If I read your post correctly, you want to change the default >> directory location for basejail. IIRC ezjail has a default config file >> where you can change the default basejail location. First change this >> file and then issue the install option to generate the basejail from >> the RELEASE version that matches what your running on the host. >> >> If that is not what you are trying to do then you have to post a >> better description of what your trying to do. > > Mistake was all mine. I had a dumb error in changing ezjail.conf. Thanks. > > My other question remains. Does having the jail have (potentially) a > different userland than the host provide some functionality? I have > always assumed the entire system needed to be updated at the same time. > In any case the userland can/should not be a different release. > > The ezjail basejail should contain the same RELEASE level as the host. But will still work if sub-release is different between host and basejail. The individual jails just contain the ports you have installed and can be kept and used across sub-releases [ie; 10.0, 10.1, 10.3] but when crossing a major release such as going from 9.x to 10.x or 10.x to 11.x ports need to be updated in the individual jails or recreate the jail and populate with desired ports. I use qjail and find it more user friendly. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 18:11:10 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D09C43192 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:11:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@stankevitz.com) Received: from mango.stankevitz.com (mango.stankevitz.com [208.79.93.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05C5F5 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:11:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@stankevitz.com) Received: from Chriss-MacBook-Pro.local (ip68-6-118-128.sb.sd.cox.net [68.6.118.128]) by mango.stankevitz.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A298B3C34D for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:03:16 -0800 (PST) To: FreeBSD Questions From: Chris Stankevitz Subject: Building world vs freebsd-update: merging files Message-ID: <6d78a3d4-e1bd-a640-d395-6d809b0069f9@stankevitz.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:03:15 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:11:10 -0000 Hi, When using mergemaster during buildworld/installworld, I am asked to merge many files. When using freebsd-update, I am never asked to merge any files. Why the discrepancy? Thank you, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 18:19:08 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713C5C434CE for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:19:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglists@high5.alioth.uberspace.de) Received: from alioth.uberspace.de (alioth.uberspace.de [185.26.156.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC66384F for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:19:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglists@high5.alioth.uberspace.de) Received: (qmail 25852 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2016 18:19:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by alioth.uberspace.de with SMTP; 15 Nov 2016 18:19:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:18:59 +0100 From: J To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: J Subject: [OPINION] Picture Management Message-ID: <20161115181859.GB1500@bsd.duckdns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Info: Keep It Simple, Stupid. 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It should be able to Manage .5 TB of Pictures and have a Database Backend (i really don't care which, as i have running mysql and postgres jails) it would be nice if there was a good network mount support, and i kind of like the face recognition digikam has. my current problem with digikam, is it's GUI does not seem to run very stable. Greets J From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 18:43:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22BADC43E48 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:43:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE2EB168E for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:43:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id uAFIhR70026943; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:43:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:43:27 -0500 (EST) From: DTD To: Ernie Luzar cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ezjail problem In-Reply-To: <582B4A75.9030806@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <582A02DC.2020100@gmail.com> <582B4A75.9030806@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:43:27 -0500 (EST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:43:30 -0000 On Tue, 15 Nov 2016, Ernie Luzar wrote: > DTD wrote: >> On Mon, 14 Nov 2016, Ernie Luzar wrote: >> >>> doug wrote: >>>> I am using ezjail-3.4.2. Changing the jail dir as defined by >>>> ezjail_jaildir in /usr/local/etc/ezjail.conf does not work. Install does >>>> not honor this change. This is easy enough to get around with a symlink. >>>> Am I missing something here? >>>> >>>> There is no option to construct the base jail without a buildworld having >>>> been done. Is there a technical reason for this? >>>> >>>> Thanks as always for any thought. >>>> >>>> DougD >>>> >>> >>> If I read your post correctly, you want to change the default directory >>> location for basejail. IIRC ezjail has a default config file where you can >>> change the default basejail location. First change this file and then >>> issue the install option to generate the basejail from the RELEASE version >>> that matches what your running on the host. >>> >>> If that is not what you are trying to do then you have to post a better >>> description of what your trying to do. >> >> Mistake was all mine. I had a dumb error in changing ezjail.conf. Thanks. >> >> My other question remains. Does having the jail have (potentially) a >> different userland than the host provide some functionality? I have always >> assumed the entire system needed to be updated at the same time. In any >> case the userland can/should not be a different release. >> >> > > The ezjail basejail should contain the same RELEASE level as the host. > But will still work if sub-release is different between host and basejail. > The individual jails just contain the ports you have installed and can be > kept and used across sub-releases [ie; 10.0, 10.1, 10.3] but when crossing a > major release such as going from 9.x to 10.x or 10.x to 11.x ports need to be > updated in the individual jails or recreate the jail and populate with > desired ports. > > I use qjail and find it more user friendly. Thank you, I appreciate your thoughts and experience Doug _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 18:51:51 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1C7C4310D for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:51:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 537441ABF for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id uAFIpcNa009899 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:51:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Subject: Re: gdb / dwarf issue Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, freebsd@dreamchaser.org References: To: FreeBSD Mailing List From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:51:39 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:51:39 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:51:51 -0000 On 11/14/16 22:55, Gary Aitken wrote: > I'm having trouble getting gdb to agree to look at symbols: > > $ cd /usr/ports/graphics/rawtherapee > $ make showconfig > ===> The following configuration options are available for rawtherapee-4.2_3: > OPENMP=on: Enable multicore processing using OpenMP > OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS=off: Use extra compiler optimizations (requires SSE support) > > $ file /usr/local/bin/rawtherapee > /usr/local/bin/rawtherapee: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked, interpreter /libexec/ld-elf.so.1, for FreeBSD 10.3, not stripped > > $ gdb /usr/local/bin/rawtherapee > GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] > > This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd"...Dwarf Error: wrong version in compilation unit header (is 4, should be 2) [in module /usr/local/bin/rawtherapee] > (gdb) break main > No symbol table is loaded. Use the "file" command. > > My search found implications that a single dependent library with > optimization turned on could cause this to happen; is that what I'm > seeing here, or something else? > > If so, is there an easy way to find out which libraries have compiler > optimization turned on that causes this? > > Or do I need to be running something else like the gdb66 port? > > Or?... now I'm really puzzled: $ nm /usr/local/bin/rawtherapee | grep main 0000000000c2b45c T KLTCountRemainingFeatures 00000000007fecab t _GLOBAL__sub_I_main.cc 00000000011f76e0 b _ZGVZ4mainE8settings 000000000055516c T _ZN10EditWindow21on_mainNB_switch_pageEP16_GtkNotebookPagej 00000000005da0b8 T _ZN8RTWindow21on_mainNB_switch_pageEP16_GtkNotebookPagej 00000000011f76e8 b _ZZ4mainE8settings U gtk_main_quit 00000000007f8905 T main 00000000011f75e0 B mainThread $ gdb /usr/local/bin/rawtherapee GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd"...Dwarf Error: wrong version in compilation unit header (is 4, should be 2) [in module /usr/local/bin/rawtherapee] How do I get the right header, or what is the correct gdb to use? Thanks for any pointers, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 19:52:14 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44238C4335B for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:52:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dr.klepp@gmx.at) Received: from vie01a-qmta-at50-1.mx.upcmail.net (vie01a-qmta-at50-1.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.166]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0449B1FBA for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:52:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dr.klepp@gmx.at) Received: from [172.31.218.16] (helo=vie01a-dmta-at51-2.mx.upcmail.net) by vie01a-pqmta-at50.mx.upcmail.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c6jbw-0004sU-RR for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:41:40 +0100 Received: from [172.31.216.41] (helo=vie01a-pemc-psmtp-at50) by vie01a-dmta-at51.mx.upcmail.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c6jbo-0003ct-FH for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:41:32 +0100 Received: from t60.lan ([85.126.97.210]) by vie01a-pemc-psmtp-at50 with SMTP @ mailcloud.upcmail.net id 8KhY1u0054YLlkt0BKhYmR; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:41:32 +0100 X-SourceIP: 85.126.97.210 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=FpZHxCjq c=1 sm=2 tr=0 a=/Ac8Q0O/YFE5LOLfUiYZVw==:117 a=/Ac8Q0O/YFE5LOLfUiYZVw==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=AlxkKNkeyfLU9UC-FZEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 From: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: zfs: how to find out when a disk failed Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:41:32 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 (enterprise35 0.20100827.1168748) References: <201611151537.37907.dr.klepp@gmx.at> <0849c5f3-5f44-1364-0674-abf6254caa32@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: <0849c5f3-5f44-1364-0674-abf6254caa32@fisglobal.com> X-KMail-QuotePrefix: > MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201611152041.32559.dr.klepp@gmx.at> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:52:14 -0000 Am Dienstag, 15. November 2016 schrieb Robison, Dave: > On 11/15/2016 06:37, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > Hi all! > > > > I have a server with a zfs raid-z1 (3 disks). One disk failed/was removed some time ago and was not replaced till now. > > > > Is there a way to find out when the disk failed/was removed? > > > > Nik > > > > > > /var/log/messages perhaps? > > or dmesg? Sorry, my description was incomplete: the server was rebooted ~ 32 days ago. /var/run/dmesg.boot says, the missing disk was already missing at that time. /var/log/messages to /var/log/messages.4.bz2 .4.bz2 are present, but the first entry is from ~ 12 days ago. There are no logfiles in the archive that are older than 30 days. "zpool history -il" gives nor hint that the pool it's degraded. Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 21:46:59 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4A5C43627 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:46:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cdptpa-oedge", Issuer "cdptpa-oedge" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4769929B for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [76.181.114.47] ([76.181.114.47:54659] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-omsmta03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id F7/4C-04822-B428B285; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:46:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1c6lZ4-0000Tp-Py for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:46:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Installing to RAIDZ1 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0b8556f0-7d92-a4c9-c9e4-62e16e82b936@columbus.rr.com> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <134e2f09-993e-eed1-2088-c3ecfb617e9a@columbus.rr.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:46:50 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0b8556f0-7d92-a4c9-c9e4-62e16e82b936@columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.88:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:46:59 -0000 On 11/12/16 11:52, Baho Utot wrote: > I want to reinstall my desktop system using a raidz-1 filesystem using > the current installation image for usb drive. Reading the handbook I > find that bsdinstall will not do the installation I want. I am using > 4 1TB drives and I want to partition to 800GB and install the raidz > there. Can I create a raidz storage pool manually and then use > bsdinstall or will I have to manually install freebsd not using > bsdinstall? > > How do I do this? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Ok I got beyond the first part by patching /usr/libexec/bsdintall/zfsboot to create 800GB partitions. Now I have some questions as the zfs raidz-1 on root will not boot from boot0cfg which I installed upon my original setup booting win7 and freebsd 10.0. Will Grub2 boot FreeBSD11 installed on zfs raidz-1? If so can someone give me the scoop on how to do that as I just can not afford to mess that up. It will need to boot Win7, freebsd-10.0 and freebsd-11.0 on zfs raidz-1 I can I move the raidz install to different SATA controllers? or will I need to get down and dirty and fixup the drives in the raidz ? As Always Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 15 22:23:20 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB17C44142 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 22:23:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cyberleo@cyberleo.net) Received: from mail.cyberleo.net (paka.cyberleo.net [216.226.128.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FCC81C1D for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 22:23:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cyberleo@cyberleo.net) Received: from [172.16.44.4] (vitani.den.cyberleo.net [216.80.73.130]) by mail.cyberleo.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6287049E3E; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 17:15:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Building world vs freebsd-update: merging files To: Chris Stankevitz , FreeBSD Questions References: <6d78a3d4-e1bd-a640-d395-6d809b0069f9@stankevitz.com> From: CyberLeo Kitsana Message-ID: <6b6b7079-9cb1-da69-3099-2e418123f8ea@cyberleo.net> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:15:58 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6d78a3d4-e1bd-a640-d395-6d809b0069f9@stankevitz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 22:23:20 -0000 On 11/15/2016 12:03 PM, Chris Stankevitz wrote: > Hi, > > When using mergemaster during buildworld/installworld, I am asked to > merge many files. > > When using freebsd-update, I am never asked to merge any files. > > Why the discrepancy? What flags do you pass to mergemaster while installing world? I usually use mergemaster -iFU - the caveat being that this requires an mtree database to be maintained for it to detect changes to files, and this database is only built and maintained when you use the -U flag. Presumably, freebsd-update does similar automatically, and that's why it never asks. Or maybe it just overwrites your local changes? I've only ever used installworld, and freebsd-update(8) doesn't mention anything about locally modified files. -- Fuzzy love, -CyberLeo Technical Administrator CyberLeo.Net Webhosting http://www.CyberLeo.Net Furry Peace! - http://www.fur.com/peace/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 16 00:01:43 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3670C43F8E for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 00:01:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@stankevitz.com) Received: from mango.stankevitz.com (mango.stankevitz.com [208.79.93.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44A913AA for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 00:01:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@stankevitz.com) Received: from Chriss-MacBook-Pro.local (209-203-101-124.static.twtelecom.net [209.203.101.124]) by mango.stankevitz.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C00673C3AC; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:01:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Building world vs freebsd-update: merging files To: CyberLeo Kitsana , FreeBSD Questions References: <6d78a3d4-e1bd-a640-d395-6d809b0069f9@stankevitz.com> <6b6b7079-9cb1-da69-3099-2e418123f8ea@cyberleo.net> From: Chris Stankevitz Message-ID: <4562874c-79b1-72fb-fb6b-1b1fb79e9a5c@stankevitz.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:01:41 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6b6b7079-9cb1-da69-3099-2e418123f8ea@cyberleo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 00:01:44 -0000 On 11/15/16 2:15 PM, CyberLeo Kitsana wrote: > On 11/15/2016 12:03 PM, Chris Stankevitz wrote: >> >> When using mergemaster during buildworld/installworld, I am asked to >> merge many files. >> >> When using freebsd-update, I am never asked to merge any files. >> >> Why the discrepancy? > > What flags do you pass to mergemaster while installing world? > > I usually use mergemaster -iFU - the caveat being that this requires an > mtree database to be maintained for it to detect changes to files, and > this database is only built and maintained when you use the -U flag. > > Presumably, freebsd-update does similar automatically, and that's why it > never asks. Or maybe it just overwrites your local changes? I've only > ever used installworld, and freebsd-update(8) doesn't mention anything > about locally modified files. Hi Leo, I follow the handbook [1] when building/installing world: after installkerernel/reboot: mergemaster -p after installworld: mergemaster -iF This process asks about updating configuration files (including /etc/passwd which attempts to reset the root password). As I mentioned in my original message (and as I'm sure you no doubt experience) freebsd-update does not pester about files. I need to look into the "mtree" method -- which I've never heard of before. Thank you, Chris [1] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/makeworld.html From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 16 00:27:25 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1D2C446E5 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 00:27:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x235.google.com (mail-wm0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 536AEEC for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 00:27:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x235.google.com with SMTP id a197so203495520wmd.0 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:27:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=irpiW44CSBU+dyhgNhXD4KNBFLbRLrZoueku2QCNQBs=; b=rbm/bGKloYMjLMZ7j0BNUztcHOlLZRGlLTecxFqljhisxW9THObse1cvTy6qhe1LL6 ldoxA0T6lgsYeoLOueWJWmF2laSx4FxwIjqD+wqgUOm+v+cAe/HvmdJUp7BBQrs8l8MN BjIwrgZBLurQ573QoNWDGs8I5qlF8WR5iF9PjxiTC3zvyW/IcrpyQNjVV8WdaA2O0REf O4wTBExfOn5ajAosoLrlo0/Av5PPw6Gwxtt7QrQXCcuFaBYON0ixXQyOtXF3efjbcLCl ewAMvA6FjngI3nDJ4s4mtNeoNaNNC8k70FUoqmMB/2kWZJr5j2AH9KK81GDklk9Fj+ie vuAg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=irpiW44CSBU+dyhgNhXD4KNBFLbRLrZoueku2QCNQBs=; b=KdoGgVONrJPJXiQxeeZshwxaBzNt80G7ueXIFw/YBW174wDXVvLKq3Za7faZeQus/o oFu8iS5SqI0YGLQFbDXTDwl8dmGEc6/ZQrrrBTZbmBG4KkVDa0epjxH+ynn8vvhpmJ0B CrQQlJmNUnj26866nmsxcvKCxoB4wjHDCbQFpfQ5WRRbGZLNol5fWV2G8zEU6nPSNONr NgPKk5hCOlOoxV4BYBC6V/x0ELKmDBrRC/rv6QYo0q/QLAMCVZY4qzjUtP3Wv9L6QkQo 9SVm2/eH9toeVsY/vXZ5uGDbAsG5gD1IOwSXNzXxzRUTFGoZeV8qr8MTXy2ttw0SwOXK Tdfg== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvckApnLabVEMgf/3GHxV9UILjGXYFHNAhww4zKsIKXt9agQASQFqs2vu9t3pNZCX0H+JQS/09H0/jFb2w== X-Received: by 10.28.27.208 with SMTP id b199mr6163482wmb.82.1479256043769; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:27:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.179.119 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:27:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.80.179.119 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:27:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201611152041.32559.dr.klepp@gmx.at> References: <201611151537.37907.dr.klepp@gmx.at> <0849c5f3-5f44-1364-0674-abf6254caa32@fisglobal.com> <201611152041.32559.dr.klepp@gmx.at> From: Adam Vande More Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:27:23 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: zfs: how to find out when a disk failed To: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 00:27:25 -0000 On Nov 15, 2016 1:52 PM, "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > > Am Dienstag, 15. November 2016 schrieb Robison, Dave: > > On 11/15/2016 06:37, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > Hi all! > > > > > > I have a server with a zfs raid-z1 (3 disks). One disk failed/was removed some time ago and was not replaced till now. > > > > > > Is there a way to find out when the disk failed/was removed? > > > > > > Nik > > > > > > > > > > /var/log/messages perhaps? > > > > or dmesg? > > > Sorry, my description was incomplete: the server was rebooted ~ 32 days ago. > /var/run/dmesg.boot says, the missing disk was already missing at that time. > /var/log/messages to /var/log/messages.4.bz2 .4.bz2 are present, but the first entry is from ~ 12 days ago. > There are no logfiles in the archive that are older than 30 days. > > "zpool history -il" gives nor hint that the pool it's degraded. > > Nik > > -- > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Sometimes the disk controller will have a log. 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Prospective employers, businesses and companies in any part of the world please feel free to contact me for my curriculum vitae/resume. Thank you very much.* From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 16 03:49:01 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8776C42961 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 03:49:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ah@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 746F6212 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 03:49:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ah@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id uAG3mssa011314 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ah@dreamchaser.org) Subject: Re: gdb / dwarf issue (SOLVED) Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org References: To: FreeBSD Mailing List From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:48:54 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:48:55 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 03:49:01 -0000 On 11/15/16 11:51, Gary Aitken wrote: > On 11/14/16 22:55, Gary Aitken wrote: >> I'm having trouble getting gdb to agree to look at symbols: >> $ gdb /usr/local/bin/rawtherapee GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] >> This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd"...Dwarf Error: >> wrong version in compilation unit header (is 4, should be 2) [in >> module /usr/local/bin/rawtherapee] (gdb) break main No symbol table >> is loaded. Use the "file" command. The solution is to compile the devel/gdb port, which installs gdb 7.11.1. It appears to be able to deal with the different Dwarf versions. It is installed as /usr/local/bin/gdb, so one has to be careful of the path when starting it, since /usr/bin/gdb (6.1.1) still exists. Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 16 07:02:27 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA064C44BEC for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 07:02:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@passap.ru) Received: from forward5p.cmail.yandex.net (forward5p.cmail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1465::15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA38819F1 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 07:02:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@passap.ru) Received: from smtp2h.mail.yandex.net (smtp2h.mail.yandex.net [84.201.187.145]) by forward5p.cmail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 6B76120EBD for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:02:15 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp2h.mail.yandex.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2h.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 8D19D781D66 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:02:11 +0300 (MSK) Received: by smtp2h.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id VgD6Mli8oZ-21w0owGv; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:02:01 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) X-Yandex-Suid-Status: 1 0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Boris Samorodov Subject: FreeBSD-HEAD + diligent: Program received signal SIGBUS, Bus error Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:00:24 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 07:02:28 -0000 Hi All, I must have done something stupid with my development system. But cannot detect what. --- % gdb diligent GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd"...(no debugging symbols found)... (gdb) run Starting program: /usr/local/bin/diligent (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New LWP 101526] warning: Lowest section in /usr/local/lib/libicudata.so.57 is .hash at 0000000000000120 [New Thread 80fa16000 (LWP 101526/diligent)] Cache path "/home/bsam/.cache/diligent/Diligent" [New Thread 85b840000 (LWP 100315/diligent)] [New Thread 859633500 (LWP 100314/diligent)] Program received signal SIGBUS, Bus error. [Switching to Thread 859633500 (LWP 100314/diligent)] OBJ_obj2nid (a=0x72656954506b45) at /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypto/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/objects/obj_dat.c:417 417 if (a->nid != 0) (gdb) --- The system: --- % uname -a FreeBSD apok.bsnet 12.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #7 r308718: Wed Nov 16 09:24:53 MSK 2016 bsam@apok.bsnet:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/APOK64X amd64 --- All packages are up to date. Any help is appreciated. Thank you. -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 16 08:36:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72707C43932 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:36:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielle.james@whoishostingthismail.com) Received: from server.whoishostingthismail.com (server.whoishostingthismail.com [104.236.126.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C4BCA58 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:36:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielle.james@whoishostingthismail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=whoishostingthismail.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Subject:Reply-To:From:To:Date:Sender:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=QRzZiqEk5TSdhjh7BdZ1CJVC7hV91Ifid+e/fkZsNAQ=; b=Xvhvu9MAM4XCS8CDato1WmbI3 +h7CvzubwWhbtcFzRQzHWm4cmYfeMBZLJL89dVJKZ6jaq13rKu7T4uxDRpIHc4p+c7nyXaqB7/YPc 6BNzKrf5bTeHNX/ga28kQzsCxPR89JFFtpfkCOIltaFmiB3ryyB/Fa7gxfr8EqOIINBvlIszoZaO8 gWIY4D3DnzhT47VCJXcjQSCpJ7Tz6iGJ7DU5oD9iyar9K93WVOxBINKYgTI4RbTcJJNFflNheSKK1 obSiS9b4Euj7c+sfNvK2oQCOF4wJRU9D1Bayp0Pdal27Wbz3t9fIjsUknnq8IEQtL5V8U7v5RawoQ naU/WEA8A==; Received: from ec2-54-196-45-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com ([54.196.45.153]:41224 helo=whoishostingthismail.com) by server.whoishostingthismail.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c6vhf-00033Q-Ao for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:36:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:36:23 +0000 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org From: Danielle James Reply-To: Danielle James Subject: Re: Letting you know about a broken link Message-ID: <4610835.or_mail@whoishostingthismail.com> X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.whoishostingthismail.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - whoishostingthismail.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server.whoishostingthismail.com: authenticated_id: danielle.james@whoishostingthismail.com X-Authenticated-Sender: server.whoishostingthismail.com: danielle.james@whoishostingthismail.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:36:30 -0000 Hi, I appreciate you're busy so I just wanted to follow up on the email I sent you the other day, copy included below for reference. On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Danielle James wrote: Hi, I just wanted to let you know about a link that seems to be broken on this page http://www.freebsd.org/projects/cvsweb.html. Here's the link http://www.mandriva.com/ "Mandriva Linux", but the page doesn’t seem to be active any more. We've put together a guide to Mandriva; you can see it here http://wiht.link/mandrivalinux. I thought it may make a good replacement. Kind Regards, Danielle From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 16 10:23:23 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42886C4427B for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:23:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [78.47.239.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCFD172F for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:23:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15E54DA409 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 11:23:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TsrhQCvFBPZo for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 11:23:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.27.4.215] (unknown [87.79.34.228]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4CFEE4DA408 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 11:23:14 +0100 (CET) To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" Subject: make buildkernel in 11.0 Message-ID: <076a131a-1e32-3e7b-e1fe-2da085f0ae70@kukulies.org> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 11:23:16 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:23:23 -0000 I downloaded 11.0-RELEASE /usr/src completely, did a cd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf, copied GENERIC und GENERIC.hints to BRIDGE and BRIDGE.hints edited BRIDGE to contain a line "options BRIDGE" cd /usr/src and get: root@myrouter:/usr/src # make buildkernel KERNCONF=BRIDGE ERROR: Missing kernel configuration file(s) (BRIDGE). *** Error code 1 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /usr/src *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/src Can anyone bring me up to snuff with kernel building in 11.0-RELEASE? -- Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 16 10:36:03 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56E3C446C4 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:36:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [78.47.239.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC881E08 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:36:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35ED04DA409 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 11:36:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LNAShlN9sDEf for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 11:35:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.27.4.215] (unknown [87.79.34.228]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BFD304DA408 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 11:35:59 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: make buildkernel in 11.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <076a131a-1e32-3e7b-e1fe-2da085f0ae70@kukulies.org> From: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" Message-ID: <97b885dc-f910-6a34-73f4-41cda163ff26@kukulies.org> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 11:36:01 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <076a131a-1e32-3e7b-e1fe-2da085f0ae70@kukulies.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:36:03 -0000 OK, I got a bit further: make -j 8 buildkernel KERNCONF=BRIDGE TARGET=amd64 It starts the build but then it dislikes option BRIDGE /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/BRIDGE: unknown option "BRIDGE" *** [buildkernel] Error code 1 Am 16.11.2016 um 11:23 schrieb Christoph P.U. Kukulies: > I downloaded 11.0-RELEASE /usr/src completely, did a > > cd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf, > > copied GENERIC und GENERIC.hints to BRIDGE and BRIDGE.hints > > edited BRIDGE to contain a line "options BRIDGE" > > cd /usr/src and get: > > root@myrouter:/usr/src # make buildkernel KERNCONF=BRIDGE > ERROR: Missing kernel configuration file(s) (BRIDGE). > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make[1]: stopped in /usr/src > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make: stopped in /usr/src > > > Can anyone bring me up to snuff with kernel building in 11.0-RELEASE? > > > -- > > Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 16 12:31:19 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E39BC443BB for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 12:31:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@skysmurf.nl) Received: from mail.skysmurf.nl (spectrum.skysmurf.nl [83.162.175.214]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.skysmurf.nl", Issuer "mail.skysmurf.nl" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9F60A0C for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 12:31:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@skysmurf.nl) Received: from spectrum.skysmurf.nl (mail.skysmurf.nl [192.168.42.4]) by mail.skysmurf.nl (8.15.2/8.15.2) with SMTP id uAGCV8Ev095163 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 13:31:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@skysmurf.nl) Received: by spectrum.skysmurf.nl (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 16 Nov 2016 13:31:08 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 13:31:08 +0100 From: Alphons van Werven To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: [HAM, NOT SPAM] Re: Letting you know about a broken link Message-ID: <20161116123108.GA94972@spectrum.skysmurf.nl> References: <4610835.or_mail@whoishostingthismail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4610835.or_mail@whoishostingthismail.com> X-PGP-Key: http://www.skysmurf.nl/~fonz/fonz_pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 12:31:19 -0000 --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Danielle James wrote: > I just wanted to let you know about a link that seems to be broken on > this page http://www.freebsd.org/projects/cvsweb.html. >=20 > Here's the link http://www.mandriva.com/ "Mandriva Linux", but the page > doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be active any more. To anyone who might have commit rights to that page: the above claim is actually correct. Mandriva Linux is dead and so is said link. Perhaps someone can fix that link, or remove it altogether if it's no longer relevant anyway. I can submit a PR if needed. Fonz --=20 A.J. "Fonz" van Werven mailsig: Help! 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I configure host1 as "hastctl role primary all" and host2 as "hastctl role secondary all" Then I switch off host1 and configure host2 as "hastctl role primary all", fsck and mount /dev/hast/test, and write files to it. So far so good. Then I switch on host1 again, unmount /dev/hast/test on host2 and configure it as "hastctl role secondary all" and host1 as "hastctl role primary all" again. When I mount /dev/hast/test on host1, I see that all the changes to my files which have been made on host2, are gone!! Should not hastd detect that the primary on host1 is stale and replicate the changes from host2? What am I doing wrong? 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Here is a quick and dirty build world http://hades.palmboys.nl/freebsd-updating.html Jonathan Moore -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:00 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 650, Issue 3 Send freebsd-questions mailing list submissions to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org You can reach the person managing the list at freebsd-questions-owner@freebsd.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "R= e: Contents of freebsd-questions digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Hello - i5 processors and,Nvidia GPUs (Allen) 2. Re: problem starting dhcpd (Trond Endrest?l) 3. zfs: how to find out when a disk failed (Dr. Nikolaus Klepp) 4. Re: problem starting dhcpd (The Doctor) 5. wireless woes ieee80211_new_state_locked: pending INIT -> SCAN transition lost (Christoph P.U. Kukulies) 6. Re: ezjail problem (Ernie Luzar) 7. Building world vs freebsd-update: merging files (Chris Stankevitz) 8. [OPINION] Picture Management (J) 9. Re: ezjail problem (DTD) 10. Re: gdb / dwarf issue (Gary Aitken) 11. Re: zfs: how to find out when a disk failed (Dr. Nikolaus Klepp) 12. Re: Installing to RAIDZ1 (Baho Utot) 13. Re: Building world vs freebsd-update: merging files (CyberLeo Kitsana) 14. Re: Building world vs freebsd-update: merging files (Chris Stankevitz) 15. Re: zfs: how to find out when a disk failed (Adam Vande More) 16. Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) is Looking for Information Technology-related Job Opportunities World Wide (Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo) 17. Re: gdb / dwarf issue (SOLVED) (Gary Aitken) 18. FreeBSD-HEAD + diligent: Program received signal SIGBUS, Bus error (Boris Samorodov) 19. Re: Letting you know about a broken link (Danielle James) 20. make buildkernel in 11.0 (Christoph P.U. Kukulies) 21. Re: make buildkernel in 11.0 (Christoph P.U. Kukulies) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 09:35:12 -0500 From: Allen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hello - i5 processors and,Nvidia GPUs Message-ID: <20161115093512.60e3597c@KoggyBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII > > PS > May I make a suggestion? why does not the FreeBSD project sell=20 > > computers that are fully compatible with FreeBSD. The proceeds would=20 > > go straight to the project to fund + r&d. Just an idea. I would=20 > > certainly buy a computer from you guys. The confusion surrounding=20 > > compatibilities etc is mind boggling. It does not have to be this=20 > > way. It could be so much simpler, I think. Well, i am not an expert=20 > > so maybe I am talking nonsense. I just wanted to pop in here real quick and add something to that: iX Systems. They're the main company that I know of that actually sells mac= hines with BSD on them. Just check out the iX Systems page, and look through the products they offe= r. I don't work for them and so I feel no shame in giving them a Thumbs up = and a free Plug on my end, and I've seen their work before, and I respect t= hem. I go to the FreeBSD Mall when I'm ordering stuff I want for BSD related thi= ngs, and also, if you're a fan of Slackware Linux, they are also the "back = end" of that as well. I first learned about this years ago when I had a particularly large order = from both The FreeBSD Mall, and the Slackware Store, and though I had alrea= dy suspected they were very close, being that FreeBSD CD and or DVD sets lo= ok almost exactly like Slackware ones do (I've been buying from this compan= y for a long time, and you tend to notice things like this) and seeing the = Slackware CD set I bought looking a lot like the FreeBSD CD Sets I'd bought= , was only a small part of it, but one day, the large order I'm talking abo= ut, I'd paid extra to get my things overnighted to me so I could get my stu= ff quicker, and the next day, I had a very large box on my Porch, and insid= e were BOTH my FreeBSD Mall Purchases, and my Slackware Store Purchases, al= l in the same box, and with all of the things I ordered. Oh, by the way; I also use that site to order my copies of BSD Magazine, wh= ich I love dearly, and Mouse Pads, Shirts, Boxers, basically everything. I = also got my Copy of Marshal Kirk McKusick's DVD as well, which I HIGHLY Rec= ommend to ANYONE with even the slightest interest in the History of BSD and= Unix in general, and I Love watching it. It's entertaining how he goes abo= ut it, and very well done. It's basically a recorded speach he did at a BSD= Con, and I highly recommend it. If you can't find it, just look for his Web Site, as I know he sells them f= rom his site now. So you shouldn't have any problems finding it. I actually received a phone call the last time I ordered some things from t= he FreeBSD Mall, because they had run out of one of the things I ordered, a= nd not only did they call to apologize for running out, but they asked me w= hat I wanted to make things right. To say that I was amazed doesn't even come close; Most online Companies wou= ldn't have even bothered to try, and when I told the girl that called me th= at she could just put whatever she wanted in there, I didn't expect the amo= unt of stuff I got; I'm not even sure what it was now that they had run out= of, but in place of that item, she sent me a bunch of things to make up fo= r it. I felt bad for getting so much stuff over that because I'm pretty sure it w= as simply an issue of BSD Magazine that they had sold out of, and BSD Magaz= ine normally costs more than 10 dollars per issue, and they had a bunch of = them on sale, which, I think they may still be on sale, for VERY cheap, and= , to make up for one issue, I got a bunch of FreeBSD and PC-BSD Stickers, w= hich I love, and then, I got some FreeBSD Bumper Stickers as well, and then= , I got some Case Stickers (The ones that are the size of the Intel Inside,= or "Made for Windows whatever" and so on) and so I ended up getting LOTS o= f Stickers, which is great, and then, I got the Bumper Stickers, and then, = I got a new Bracelet that says FreeBSD, and a few other things. But the point is, they went above and beyond anything I thought necessary, = and they apologized, and all around, this was one of the first times I've e= ver had to choose something else because they had run out of stock, and I s= pend a decent amount of Money on both stores, so I've got plenty of experie= nce with them, and I've always had a great experience and been treated very= well. In short; Check out iX Systems, and you'll see they have a decent amount of= Hardware. I do not know for certain if they are still selling Workstations, but the S= ervers they sell, are VERY reasonably priced machines, and I personally hav= e been trying to get one myself. There's very good Ads in BSD Magazine for their Company, and the only reaso= n I'm not sure about Workstations, is that the last time I looked, I couldn= 't find any Workstations for sale, but was told they did still have some fo= r sale, so if you're serious about this, check them out, and see what they = have, and even if you end up buying a low end Server, it will not only serv= e you well, but you can rest assured that EVERY piece of Hardware in that m= achine, will be built with BSD in mind. Also; Don't forget that they are the company that backs up PC-BSD, which is= FreeBSD with a nice pain job, some nice GUI easy to use tools, and a PBI S= ystem that even Microsoft could learn a few things from. Sorry for the length of the post but it's mighty hard to run out of good th= ings to say about iX Systems. -Allen =20 > Ah, FreeBSD is essentially a server. It works nicely as a desktop, but=20 > this needs some time and user skills. For making available a new and=20 > retailed computer that works out-of-the-box, I have set up a website=20 > last month. You can have a look at my website. If you like my website,=20 > I shall be delighted to honour you as my first customer. I offer free=20 > 24x7 support. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:49:07 +0100 (CET) From: Trond Endrest?l To: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: problem starting dhcpd Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:06+0100, Christoph P.U. Kukulies wrote: > /usr/local/etc/rc.d # ./isc-dhcpd start > chown: dhcpd: illegal user name > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: unable to change permissions of /var/run/dhcpd > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: safe_run: chown dhcpd:dhcpd /var/db/dhcpd > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: unable to change permissions of /var/db/dhcpd > chown: dhcpd: illegal user name > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: unable to change permissions of=20 > /var/db/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases Starting dhcpd. > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: failed to start dhcpd >=20 >=20 >=20 > /etc/passwd: >=20 > dhcpd:*:136:136::0:0:ISC DHCP daemon:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin Does /etc/master.passwd contain the dhcpd user? Are the hash tables, /etc/p= wd.db and /etc/spwd.db up to date? Here's one way of ensuring this using csh syntax, the default shell for the= root user: setenv EDITOR ee # choose the ee editor over the vi editor vipw Make a small change, say entering a space on the first line, then remove sa= id space, save the file using esc, enter, enter in rapid succession. > /etc/group: >=20 > dhcpd:*:136: The group file seems correct, and it doesn't have a hash table counterpart = unlike the /etc/{master.,}passwd files. Next, try running the chown command manually, e.g.: chown dhcpd:dhcpd /var/db/dhcpd /var/run/dhcpd --=20 +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrest?l, | Trond Endrest?l, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gj?vik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 15:37:37 +0100 From: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: zfs: how to find out when a disk failed Message-ID: <201611151537.37907.dr.klepp@gmx.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-15" Hi all! I have a server with a zfs raid-z1 (3 disks). One disk failed/was removed s= ome time ago and was not replaced till now.=20 Is there a way to find out when the disk failed/was removed? Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing w= ith the NSA. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 07:55:30 -0700 From: The Doctor To: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: problem starting dhcpd Message-ID: <20161115145530.GA3776@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 12:06:56PM +0100, Christoph P.U. Kukulies wrote: > /usr/local/etc/rc.d # ./isc-dhcpd start > chown: dhcpd: illegal user name > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: unable to change permissions of /var/run/dhcpd > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: safe_run: chown dhcpd:dhcpd /var/db/dhcpd > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: unable to change permissions of /var/db/dhcpd > chown: dhcpd: illegal user name > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: unable to change permissions of=20 > /var/db/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases > Starting dhcpd. > ./isc-dhcpd: WARNING: failed to start dhcpd >=20 >=20 >=20 > /etc/passwd: >=20 > dhcpd:*:136:136::0:0:ISC DHCP daemon:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin >=20 >=20 > /etc/group: >=20 > dhcpd:*:136: >=20 >=20 > -- >=20 > Christoph > Have you tried a pwd_mkdb /etc/master.passwd ? >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" --=20 Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.= ab.ca God,Queen and country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist risi= ng!=20 http://www.fullyfollow.me/rootnl2k Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism Lest we forget 11 Nov ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 17:32:19 +0100 From: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: wireless woes ieee80211_new_state_locked: pending INIT -> SCAN transition lost Message-ID: <1ea7734e-cb60-0892-f7b3-c228aee53471@kukulies.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8; format=3Dflowed Nov 15 18:02:30 myrouter kernel: wlan0: ieee80211_new_state_locked:=20 pending INIT -> SCAN transition lost ifconfig wlan0 wlan0: flags=3D8843 metric 0 mtu 15= 00 ether 80:1f:02:e6:95:e1 inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 nd6 options=3D29 media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11g status: running ssid fantasy_name channel 1 (2412 MHz 11g) bssid 80:1f:02:e6:95:e1 regdomain FCC country US authmode WPA2/802.11i privacy MIXED deftxkey 2 AES-CCM 2:128-bit AES-CCM 3:128-bit txpower 30=20 scanvalid 60 protmode CTS wme dtimperiod 1 -dfs groups: wlan rc.conf: dhcpd_enable=3D"YES" # dhcpd enabled? dhcpd_flags=3D"-q" # command option(s) dhcpd_conf=3D"/usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf" # configuration file dhcpd_ifaces=3D"wlan0" # ethernet interface(s) dhcpd_withumask=3D"022" # file creation mask hostapd_enable=3D"YES" wlans_urtwn0=3D"wlan0" create_args_wlan0=3D"wlanmode hostap" ifconfig_wlan0=3D"inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" #ifconfig_wlan0=3D"inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 ssid fantasy=20 channel 1" commented (!) hostapd.conf: interface=3Dwlan0 debug=3D1 ctrl_interface=3D/var/run/hostapd ctrl_interface_group=3Dwheel ssid=3Dfantasy_name channel=3D1 wpa=3D2 wpa_passphrase=3D?$%&/?$%&/ wpa_key_mgmt=3DWPA-PSK wpa_pairwise=3DCCMP The point is: clients don't receive a DHCP lease. Also I don't know how to get into mode 11n and get automatic channel=20 choosing. -- Christoph ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:48:37 -0500 From: Ernie Luzar To: DTD Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ezjail problem Message-ID: <582B4A75.9030806@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed DTD wrote: > On Mon, 14 Nov 2016, Ernie Luzar wrote: >=20 >> doug wrote: >>> I am using ezjail-3.4.2. Changing the jail dir as defined by=20 >>> ezjail_jaildir in /usr/local/etc/ezjail.conf does not work. Install=20 >>> does not honor this change. This is easy enough to get around with a=20 >>> symlink. Am I missing something here? >>> >>> There is no option to construct the base jail without a buildworld=20 >>> having been done. Is there a technical reason for this? >>> >>> Thanks as always for any thought. >>> >>> DougD >>> >> >> If I read your post correctly, you want to change the default=20 >> directory location for basejail. IIRC ezjail has a default config file=20 >> where you can change the default basejail location. First change this=20 >> file and then issue the install option to generate the basejail from=20 >> the RELEASE version that matches what your running on the host. >> >> If that is not what you are trying to do then you have to post a=20 >> better description of what your trying to do. >=20 > Mistake was all mine. I had a dumb error in changing ezjail.conf. Thanks. >=20 > My other question remains. Does having the jail have (potentially) a=20 > different userland than the host provide some functionality? I have=20 > always assumed the entire system needed to be updated at the same time.=20 > In any case the userland can/should not be a different release. >=20 >=20 The ezjail basejail should contain the same RELEASE level as the host. But will still work if sub-release is different between host and basejail. The individual jails just contain the ports you have installed and can=20 be kept and used across sub-releases [ie; 10.0, 10.1, 10.3] but when=20 crossing a major release such as going from 9.x to 10.x or 10.x to 11.x=20 ports need to be updated in the individual jails or recreate the jail=20 and populate with desired ports. I use qjail and find it more user friendly. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:03:15 -0800 From: Chris Stankevitz To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Building world vs freebsd-update: merging files Message-ID: <6d78a3d4-e1bd-a640-d395-6d809b0069f9@stankevitz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8; format=3Dflowed Hi, When using mergemaster during buildworld/installworld, I am asked to=20 merge many files. When using freebsd-update, I am never asked to merge any files. Why the discrepancy? Thank you, Chris ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:18:59 +0100 From: J To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: J Subject: [OPINION] Picture Management Message-ID: <20161115181859.GB1500@bsd.duckdns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8 Hey Guys, i am looking for Input on a good Picture Managment tool, which is included in the Portstree. I am currently using DigiKam, but i am curious if there are similiar tools, which run well on *BSD. It should be able to Manage .5 TB of Pictures and have a Database Backend (i really don't care which, as i have running mysql and postgres jails) it would be nice if there was a good network mount support, and i kind of like the face recognition digikam has. my current problem with digikam, is it's GUI does not seem to run very stable. Greets J ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:43:27 -0500 (EST) From: DTD To: Ernie Luzar Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ezjail problem Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=3DUS-ASCII; format=3Dflowed On Tue, 15 Nov 2016, Ernie Luzar wrote: > DTD wrote: >> On Mon, 14 Nov 2016, Ernie Luzar wrote: >>=20 >>> doug wrote: >>>> I am using ezjail-3.4.2. Changing the jail dir as defined by=20 >>>> ezjail_jaildir in /usr/local/etc/ezjail.conf does not work. Install do= es=20 >>>> not honor this change. This is easy enough to get around with a symlin= k.=20 >>>> Am I missing something here? >>>>=20 >>>> There is no option to construct the base jail without a buildworld hav= ing=20 >>>> been done. Is there a technical reason for this? >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks as always for any thought. >>>>=20 >>>> DougD >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> If I read your post correctly, you want to change the default directory= =20 >>> location for basejail. IIRC ezjail has a default config file where you = can=20 >>> change the default basejail location. First change this file and then=20 >>> issue the install option to generate the basejail from the RELEASE vers= ion=20 >>> that matches what your running on the host. >>>=20 >>> If that is not what you are trying to do then you have to post a better= =20 >>> description of what your trying to do. >>=20 >> Mistake was all mine. I had a dumb error in changing ezjail.conf. Thanks= . >>=20 >> My other question remains. Does having the jail have (potentially) a=20 >> different userland than the host provide some functionality? I have alwa= ys=20 >> assumed the entire system needed to be updated at the same time. In any= =20 >> case the userland can/should not be a different release. >>=20 >>=20 > > The ezjail basejail should contain the same RELEASE level as the host. > But will still work if sub-release is different between host and basejail= . > The individual jails just contain the ports you have installed and can be= =20 > kept and used across sub-releases [ie; 10.0, 10.1, 10.3] but when crossin= g a=20 > major release such as going from 9.x to 10.x or 10.x to 11.x ports need t= o be=20 > updated in the individual jails or recreate the jail and populate with=20 > desired ports. > > I use qjail and find it more user friendly. Thank you, I appreciate your thoughts and experience Doug _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:51:39 -0700 From: Gary Aitken To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: gdb / dwarf issue Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dwindows-1252 On 11/14/16 22:55, Gary Aitken wrote: > I'm having trouble getting gdb to agree to look at symbols: >=20 > $ cd /usr/ports/graphics/rawtherapee > $ make showconfig > =3D=3D=3D> The following configuration options are available for rawthera= pee-4.2_3: > OPENMP=3Don: Enable multicore processing using OpenMP > OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS=3Doff: Use extra compiler optimizations (requires S= SE support) >=20 > $ file /usr/local/bin/rawtherapee > /usr/local/bin/rawtherapee: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 = (FreeBSD), dynamically linked, interpreter /libexec/ld-elf.so.1, for FreeBS= D 10.3, not stripped >=20 > $ gdb /usr/local/bin/rawtherapee > GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] > > This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd"...Dwarf Error: wrong ve= rsion in compilation unit header (is 4, should be 2) [in module /usr/local/= bin/rawtherapee] > (gdb) break main > No symbol table is loaded. Use the "file" command. >=20 > My search found implications that a single dependent library with=20 > optimization turned on could cause this to happen; is that what I'm > seeing here, or something else? >=20 > If so, is there an easy way to find out which libraries have compiler=20 > optimization turned on that causes this? >=20 > Or do I need to be running something else like the gdb66 port? >=20 > Or?... now I'm really puzzled: $ nm /usr/local/bin/rawtherapee | grep main 0000000000c2b45c T KLTCountRemainingFeatures 00000000007fecab t _GLOBAL__sub_I_main.cc 00000000011f76e0 b _ZGVZ4mainE8settings 000000000055516c T _ZN10EditWindow21on_mainNB_switch_pageEP16_GtkNotebookPa= gej 00000000005da0b8 T _ZN8RTWindow21on_mainNB_switch_pageEP16_GtkNotebookPagej 00000000011f76e8 b _ZZ4mainE8settings U gtk_main_quit 00000000007f8905 T main 00000000011f75e0 B mainThread $ gdb /usr/local/bin/rawtherapee GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd"...Dwarf Error: wrong vers= ion in compilation unit header (is 4, should be 2) [in module /usr/local/bi= n/rawtherapee] How do I get the right header, or what is the correct gdb to use? Thanks for any pointers, Gary ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:41:32 +0100 From: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: zfs: how to find out when a disk failed Message-ID: <201611152041.32559.dr.klepp@gmx.at> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=3D"utf-8" Am Dienstag, 15. November 2016 schrieb Robison, Dave: > On 11/15/2016 06:37, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > Hi all! > > > > I have a server with a zfs raid-z1 (3 disks). One disk failed/was remov= ed some time ago and was not replaced till now. > > > > Is there a way to find out when the disk failed/was removed? > > > > Nik > > > > >=20 > /var/log/messages perhaps? >=20 > or dmesg? Sorry, my description was incomplete: the server was rebooted ~ 32 days ago= . /var/run/dmesg.boot says, the missing disk was already missing at that time= .=20 /var/log/messages to /var/log/messages.4.bz2 .4.bz2 are present, but the fi= rst entry is from ~ 12 days ago.=20 There are no logfiles in the archive that are older than 30 days.=20 "zpool history -il" gives nor hint that the pool it's degraded. Nik --=20 Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing w= ith the NSA. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:46:50 -0500 From: Baho Utot To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing to RAIDZ1 Message-ID: <134e2f09-993e-eed1-2088-c3ecfb617e9a@columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dwindows-1252; format=3Dflowed On 11/12/16 11:52, Baho Utot wrote: > I want to reinstall my desktop system using a raidz-1 filesystem using=20 > the current installation image for usb drive. Reading the handbook I=20 > find that bsdinstall will not do the installation I want. I am using=20 > 4 1TB drives and I want to partition to 800GB and install the raidz=20 > there. Can I create a raidz storage pool manually and then use=20 > bsdinstall or will I have to manually install freebsd not using=20 > bsdinstall? > > How do I do this? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Ok I got beyond the first part by patching=20 /usr/libexec/bsdintall/zfsboot to create 800GB partitions. Now I have some questions as the zfs raidz-1 on root will not boot from=20 boot0cfg which I installed upon my original setup booting win7 and=20 freebsd 10.0. Will Grub2 boot FreeBSD11 installed on zfs raidz-1? If so can someone give me the scoop on how to do that as I just can not=20 afford to mess that up. It will need to boot Win7, freebsd-10.0 and freebsd-11.0 on zfs raidz-1 I can I move the raidz install to different SATA controllers? or will I=20 need to get down and dirty and fixup the drives in the raidz ? As Always Thanks ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:15:58 -0600 From: CyberLeo Kitsana To: Chris Stankevitz , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Building world vs freebsd-update: merging files Message-ID: <6b6b7079-9cb1-da69-3099-2e418123f8ea@cyberleo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dwindows-1252 On 11/15/2016 12:03 PM, Chris Stankevitz wrote: > Hi, >=20 > When using mergemaster during buildworld/installworld, I am asked to > merge many files. >=20 > When using freebsd-update, I am never asked to merge any files. >=20 > Why the discrepancy? What flags do you pass to mergemaster while installing world? I usually use mergemaster -iFU - the caveat being that this requires an mtree database to be maintained for it to detect changes to files, and this database is only built and maintained when you use the -U flag. Presumably, freebsd-update does similar automatically, and that's why it never asks. Or maybe it just overwrites your local changes? I've only ever used installworld, and freebsd-update(8) doesn't mention anything about locally modified files. --=20 Fuzzy love, -CyberLeo Technical Administrator CyberLeo.Net Webhosting http://www.CyberLeo.Net Furry Peace! - http://www.fur.com/peace/ ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:01:41 -0800 From: Chris Stankevitz To: CyberLeo Kitsana , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Building world vs freebsd-update: merging files Message-ID: <4562874c-79b1-72fb-fb6b-1b1fb79e9a5c@stankevitz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dwindows-1252; format=3Dflowed On 11/15/16 2:15 PM, CyberLeo Kitsana wrote: > On 11/15/2016 12:03 PM, Chris Stankevitz wrote: >> >> When using mergemaster during buildworld/installworld, I am asked to >> merge many files. >> >> When using freebsd-update, I am never asked to merge any files. >> >> Why the discrepancy? > > What flags do you pass to mergemaster while installing world? > > I usually use mergemaster -iFU - the caveat being that this requires an > mtree database to be maintained for it to detect changes to files, and > this database is only built and maintained when you use the -U flag. > > Presumably, freebsd-update does similar automatically, and that's why it > never asks. Or maybe it just overwrites your local changes? I've only > ever used installworld, and freebsd-update(8) doesn't mention anything > about locally modified files. Hi Leo, I follow the handbook [1] when building/installing world: after installkerernel/reboot: mergemaster -p after installworld: mergemaster -iF This process asks about updating configuration files (including=20 /etc/passwd which attempts to reset the root password). As I mentioned in my original message (and as I'm sure you no doubt=20 experience) freebsd-update does not pester about files. I need to look into the "mtree" method -- which I've never heard of before. Thank you, Chris [1] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/makeworld.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:27:23 -0600 From: Adam Vande More To: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: zfs: how to find out when a disk failed Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8 On Nov 15, 2016 1:52 PM, "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > > Am Dienstag, 15. November 2016 schrieb Robison, Dave: > > On 11/15/2016 06:37, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > Hi all! > > > > > > I have a server with a zfs raid-z1 (3 disks). One disk failed/was removed some time ago and was not replaced till now. > > > > > > Is there a way to find out when the disk failed/was removed? > > > > > > Nik > > > > > > > > > > /var/log/messages perhaps? > > > > or dmesg? > > > Sorry, my description was incomplete: the server was rebooted ~ 32 days ago. > /var/run/dmesg.boot says, the missing disk was already missing at that time. > /var/log/messages to /var/log/messages.4.bz2 .4.bz2 are present, but the first entry is from ~ 12 days ago. > There are no logfiles in the archive that are older than 30 days. > > "zpool history -il" gives nor hint that the pool it's degraded. > > Nik > > -- > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Sometimes the disk controller will have a log. ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:27:40 +0800 From: Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo Subject: Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) is Looking for Information Technology-related Job Opportunities World Wide Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8 Dear Sir/Madam, My academic and educational qualifications are now reflected in my email signature. 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It is installed as /usr/local/bin/gdb, so one has to be careful of the path when starting it, since /usr/bin/gdb (6.1.1) still exists. Gary ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:00:24 +0300 From: Boris Samorodov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD-HEAD + diligent: Program received signal SIGBUS, Bus error Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8 Hi All, I must have done something stupid with my development system. But cannot detect what. --- % gdb diligent GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you ar= e welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd"...(no debugging symbols found)... (gdb) run Starting program: /usr/local/bin/diligent (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New LWP 101526] warning: Lowest section in /usr/local/lib/libicudata.so.57 is .hash at 0000000000000120 [New Thread 80fa16000 (LWP 101526/diligent)] Cache path "/home/bsam/.cache/diligent/Diligent" [New Thread 85b840000 (LWP 100315/diligent)] [New Thread 859633500 (LWP 100314/diligent)] Program received signal SIGBUS, Bus error. [Switching to Thread 859633500 (LWP 100314/diligent)] OBJ_obj2nid (a=3D0x72656954506b45) at /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypto/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/objects/obj_da= t.c:417 417 if (a->nid !=3D 0) (gdb) --- The system: --- % uname -a FreeBSD apok.bsnet 12.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #7 r308718: Wed Nov 16 09:24:53 MSK 2016 bsam@apok.bsnet:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/APOK64X amd6= 4 --- All packages are up to date. Any help is appreciated. Thank you. --=20 WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:36:23 +0000 From: Danielle James To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Letting you know about a broken link Message-ID: <4610835.or_mail@whoishostingthismail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8 Hi,=20 I appreciate you're busy so I just wanted to follow up on the email I sent = you the other day, copy included below for reference. On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Danielle James wrote: =09 Hi, I just wanted to let you know about a link that seems to be broken on this = page http://www.freebsd.org/projects/cvsweb.html. Here's the link http://www.mandriva.com/ "Mandriva Linux", but the page doe= sn?t seem to be active any more. We've put together a guide to Mandriva; you can see it here http://wiht.lin= k/mandrivalinux. I thought it may make a good replacement. Kind Regards, Danielle ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 11:23:16 +0100 From: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: make buildkernel in 11.0 Message-ID: <076a131a-1e32-3e7b-e1fe-2da085f0ae70@kukulies.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8; format=3Dflowed I downloaded 11.0-RELEASE /usr/src completely, did a cd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf, copied GENERIC und GENERIC.hints to BRIDGE and BRIDGE.hints edited BRIDGE to contain a line "options BRIDGE" cd /usr/src and get: root@myrouter:/usr/src # make buildkernel KERNCONF=3DBRIDGE ERROR: Missing kernel configuration file(s) (BRIDGE). *** Error code 1 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /usr/src *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/src Can anyone bring me up to snuff with kernel building in 11.0-RELEASE? -- Christoph ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 11:36:01 +0100 From: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make buildkernel in 11.0 Message-ID: <97b885dc-f910-6a34-73f4-41cda163ff26@kukulies.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dwindows-1252; format=3Dflowed OK, I got a bit further: make -j 8 buildkernel KERNCONF=3DBRIDGE TARGET=3Damd64 It starts the build but then it dislikes option BRIDGE /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/BRIDGE: unknown option "BRIDGE" *** [buildkernel] Error code 1 Am 16.11.2016 um 11:23 schrieb Christoph P.U. Kukulies: > I downloaded 11.0-RELEASE /usr/src completely, did a > > cd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf, > > copied GENERIC und GENERIC.hints to BRIDGE and BRIDGE.hints > > edited BRIDGE to contain a line "options BRIDGE" > > cd /usr/src and get: > > root@myrouter:/usr/src # make buildkernel KERNCONF=3DBRIDGE > ERROR: Missing kernel configuration file(s) (BRIDGE). > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make[1]: stopped in /usr/src > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make: stopped in /usr/src > > > Can anyone bring me up to snuff with kernel building in 11.0-RELEASE? > > > --=20 > > Christoph ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " ------------------------------ End of freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 650, Issue 3 ************************************************* From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 16 14:24:58 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61B3C4578D for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:24:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@stankevitz.com) Received: from mango.stankevitz.com (mango.stankevitz.com [208.79.93.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BFCC57 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:24:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@stankevitz.com) Received: from Chriss-MacBook-Pro.local (50-200-34-197-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.200.34.197]) by mango.stankevitz.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 385513C45B; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 06:24:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Building world vs freebsd-update: merging files To: Jonathan Moore , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: From: Chris Stankevitz Message-ID: <7955a263-ea42-e1bd-6813-7ba740ca7bee@stankevitz.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 06:24:54 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:24:58 -0000 On 11/16/16 6:09 AM, Jonathan Moore wrote: > Because merge master merges your confg files and update does not. > > Here is a quick and dirty build world > > http://hades.palmboys.nl/freebsd-updating.html > > Jonathan Moore According to the handbook [1], freebsd-update does indeed merge configuration files: Confusingly the handbook explicitly says that mergemaster is not used but refers to mergemaster documentation for more info. Chris [1] From https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html: The file merge process is a series of diff(1) patches similar to mergemaster(8), but with fewer options. Merges are either accepted, open an editor, or cause freebsd-update to abort. When in doubt, backup /etc and just accept the merges. See Section 23.6.4, “Merging Configuration Files” for more information about mergemaster. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 16 14:25:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EE6C457F4 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:25:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan@scatterlings.org) Received: from mail-wm0-x233.google.com (mail-wm0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9115AD14 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:25:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan@scatterlings.org) Received: by mail-wm0-x233.google.com with SMTP id g23so243070597wme.1 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 06:25:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=scatterlings-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=wgN4RE34w2EjkyShKAMoDk1BwsmERS1PFp+thQeQcTo=; b=0H45CPTb7YU3UVhCx0CTNegohYDZglB71GljJVeWNKVJic6Axb2AJZpip8HouR4NqN iXB6GMcUNqfgbgYqyzfllzs+/u5VIlutK1NKhOFeAukFRvPbMFhayRoLHKh53PjEkJrc X3DvIZHtW86nJOWqPenOUX5d/p3dDdkcjHsahFvSvbOOIahne/OE38xhV93bGZ6Fdf5F ZCvXn5T3iqysvdpIf8cvQ24Kowh0/LXRtWmcZpW8p+2h6hXHFsVJpYU/P25stKP6c2ld YUmij93wqvtXp966ZrVwdMSkrfYS6WRAf98T+10ZzWdnYAjj0texSBYDXKfJ1sKQYVKE jD1g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wgN4RE34w2EjkyShKAMoDk1BwsmERS1PFp+thQeQcTo=; b=cK3E0yWpUXG6kLzaBod81IvFi/92QTx3RAbscHF1blIiOfv8K2+hx95Isc8BlAgdsO bvdhOY/iRGgK8dZUPtT51GM2b6QZtGAJ725JTcbBpApB5eVy0oZdLcCTrDWu+xj/dE4K yUFbEHd+dhfu7NVQhIti7/lJmFWw78xi4KcWySJnSuc3LC8FKUzbdPv+jNy99DRKxiug gclW1qW2YU54Jah8hGyvf/OAxv1ANNiIFBDbZUD1FFHpiGJet1htlugvzxXAjnoPTMEK MWmAtoYhF7Bb56MZZiNS0OTlcjuh5RTScT/0abGPDxTcdtr+itGsewYrM4x2gXQqyOvR 0qKg== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngveZ+UllE5JENMw71zt5DEZB00UbSyC8qe9iq+2TWhVRYQmO+WS/5jHK1mNbESJmgF+aunfBpdd3eETu8w== X-Received: by 10.194.111.102 with SMTP id ih6mr2083493wjb.214.1479306322971; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 06:25:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.95.70 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 06:25:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.28.95.70 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 06:25:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Jonathan McKeown Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:25:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Trimming replies [was RE: Building world vs freebsd-update: merging files] To: Jonathan Moore Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:25:25 -0000 [cut entire digest appended to 3-line reply] Don't do that. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 16 15:14:00 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204A4C435ED for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:14:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [78.47.239.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDEE83A for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:13:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377224DA409 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:13:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T6UxKLIhzTIA for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:13:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.27.4.215] (unknown [87.79.34.228]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B68534DA408 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:13:57 +0100 (CET) To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" Subject: make buildworld fails in 11.0-RELEASE Message-ID: <16f3a1aa-c011-8042-d60b-cd379e672774@kukulies.org> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:13:59 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:14:00 -0000 I did a make buildworld in 11.0-RELEASE (which I updated to by freebsd-update), then downloaded the sources via fetch ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/11.0-RELEASE/src.txz make buildworld fails: ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall (cleandir) ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/backend (cleandir) rm -f .depend .depend.* ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/backend-partmanager (cleandir) rm -f .depend .depend.* ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/backend-query (cleandir) rm -f .depend .depend.* ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/conf (cleandir) rm -f .depend .depend.* ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/doc (cleandir) rm -f .depend .depend.* ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/examples (cleandir) rm -f .depend .depend.* ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/pc-sysinstall (cleandir) rm -f pc-sysinstall.8.gz pc-sysinstall.8.cat.gz rm -f .depend .depend.* ===> usr.sbin/ftp-proxy (cleandir) rm -f ftp-proxy ftp-proxy.full ftp-proxy.debug ftp-proxy.o filter.o ftp-proxy.8.gz ftp-proxy.8.cat.gz rm: ftp-proxy: is a directory *** Error code 1 Stop. make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/usr.sbin/ftp-proxy *** Error code 1 Stop. make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/usr.sbin *** Error code 1 Stop. make[2]: stopped in /usr/src *** Error code 1 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /usr/src *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/src -- Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 16 15:47:28 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA6AC43E8E for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:47:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@mailbox.org) Received: from mx1.mailbox.org (mx1.mailbox.org [80.241.60.212]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.mailbox.org", Issuer "SwissSign Server Silver CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22EAF1946 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:47:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@mailbox.org) Received: from smtp1.mailbox.org (smtp1.mailbox.org [80.241.60.240]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.mailbox.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D817643B68 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:47:18 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=mailbox.org; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :subject:subject:from:from:message-id:date:date:received; s= mail20150812; t=1479311221; bh=JY/hHOLHiB0Q88e49EtUrIWYcH5AS8dRm 9m9abbs1Zg=; b=SWNoG4uhfAcVNNdgh/rKoxUDUbpO43gX8d3Z15np6H8FyIeTw 2L5/eJBl95nvk4+TlGtYEVO0NwxEH2AFHBGwpZUIYL0GyChc1wu2+P38kNZsZGg8 AqPbHX/c4yVhrJYmb27Aah8Mek2rPivGqTDTTWYC57slVdQE6jx+w+CCl4e5u77l N9lvPlpolUOIkp6oJ5H3j1YW2vPmDUnJbXeWMFUKTLmuAbYPI+WR9wozS+DraZ2S BDiym0K3BilJyKF681Q8xqjnOZYuvi2gCy1/iM7nAo3JUg2ikb2viqgSHDpBLvx3 tC4zzntrbZYgT3gjZihTUZioCMKwp60cWHX3Q== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at heinlein-support.de Received: from smtp1.mailbox.org ([80.241.60.240]) by gerste.heinlein-support.de (gerste.heinlein-support.de [91.198.250.173]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id RtIlZ5KNOGEp for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:47:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:33:18 +0100 Message-ID: <86twb7phhd.wl-herbert@mailbox.org> From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: Subject: Re: make buildworld fails in 11.0-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <16f3a1aa-c011-8042-d60b-cd379e672774@kukulies.org> References: <16f3a1aa-c011-8042-d60b-cd379e672774@kukulies.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:47:28 -0000 Christoph P. U. Kukulies skrev: > > I did a make buildworld in 11.0-RELEASE (which I updated to by > freebsd-update), then downloaded the sources > via fetch > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/11.0-RELEASE/src.txz > > make buildworld fails: > > > ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall (cleandir) > ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/backend (cleandir) > rm -f .depend .depend.* > ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/backend-partmanager (cleandir) > rm -f .depend .depend.* > ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/backend-query (cleandir) > rm -f .depend .depend.* > ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/conf (cleandir) > rm -f .depend .depend.* > ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/doc (cleandir) > rm -f .depend .depend.* > ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/examples (cleandir) > rm -f .depend .depend.* > ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/pc-sysinstall (cleandir) > rm -f pc-sysinstall.8.gz pc-sysinstall.8.cat.gz > rm -f .depend .depend.* > ===> usr.sbin/ftp-proxy (cleandir) > rm -f ftp-proxy ftp-proxy.full ftp-proxy.debug ftp-proxy.o filter.o > ftp-proxy.8.gz ftp-proxy.8.cat.gz > rm: ftp-proxy: is a directory > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/usr.sbin/ftp-proxy > *** Error code 1 Have you tried to wipe /usr/obj? Is there a directory called ftp-proxy in /usr/src/usr.sbin/ftp-proxy? Have you tried to remove it (rm -rf)? -- Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 16 16:08:26 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676D0C4561C for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:08:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [78.47.239.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30850883 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:08:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F004DA409 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:08:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VxYSnAn4VJdB for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:08:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.27.4.215] (unknown [87.79.34.228]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 854344DA408 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:08:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: make buildworld fails in 11.0-RELEASE To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <16f3a1aa-c011-8042-d60b-cd379e672774@kukulies.org> <86twb7phhd.wl-herbert@mailbox.org> From: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" Message-ID: <12cceb1a-b1e7-373e-eff4-f3837ec9a51d@kukulies.org> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:08:26 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <86twb7phhd.wl-herbert@mailbox.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:08:26 -0000 Am 16.11.2016 um 16:33 schrieb Herbert J. Skuhra: > Christoph P. U. Kukulies skrev: >> I did a make buildworld in 11.0-RELEASE (which I updated to by >> freebsd-update), then downloaded the sources >> via fetch >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/11.0-RELEASE/src.txz >> >> make buildworld fails: >> >> >> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall (cleandir) >> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/backend (cleandir) >> rm -f .depend .depend.* >> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/backend-partmanager (cleandir) >> rm -f .depend .depend.* >> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/backend-query (cleandir) >> rm -f .depend .depend.* >> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/conf (cleandir) >> rm -f .depend .depend.* >> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/doc (cleandir) >> rm -f .depend .depend.* >> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/examples (cleandir) >> rm -f .depend .depend.* >> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/pc-sysinstall (cleandir) >> rm -f pc-sysinstall.8.gz pc-sysinstall.8.cat.gz >> rm -f .depend .depend.* >> ===> usr.sbin/ftp-proxy (cleandir) >> rm -f ftp-proxy ftp-proxy.full ftp-proxy.debug ftp-proxy.o filter.o >> ftp-proxy.8.gz ftp-proxy.8.cat.gz >> rm: ftp-proxy: is a directory >> *** Error code 1 >> >> Stop. >> make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/usr.sbin/ftp-proxy >> *** Error code 1 > Have you tried to wipe /usr/obj? Yes, I wiped out /usr/obj (rm -rf /usr/obj) > Is there a directory called ftp-proxy in /usr/src/usr.sbin/ftp-proxy? > Have you tried to remove it (rm -rf)? You mean remove the directory /usr/src/usr.sbin/ftp-proxy even though it's part of the sources? Yes, there is a directory /usr/src/usr.sbin/ftp-proxy. -- Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 16 16:16:40 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A040C45A40 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:16:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@stuffbymatt.ca) Received: from li134-142.members.linode.com (radicaldynamic.com [69.164.219.142]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.radicaldynamic.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 DV Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC5C1F9E for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:16:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@stuffbymatt.ca) Received: from marvin.adams.home (d137-186-86-15.abhsia.telus.net [137.186.86.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by li134-142.members.linode.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id uAGGE60u023956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:14:16 GMT To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: Matt Adams Subject: ntpd crashing unexpectedly (out of memory) Message-ID: <84a50eee-0bf1-c1d6-62c4-c9915ded3953@stuffbymatt.ca> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 09:14:00 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:16:40 -0000 Hi - I've got two computers running 11.0-RELEASE-p3 - they have a nearly identical configuration and set of packages. Both computers are running the GENERIC amd64 kernel (FreeBSD 11.0-RELEASE-p2). On computer "A" ntpd starts and runs just fine. On computer "B" ntpd starts but then dies with an "out of memory" error. Here is the output: root@B:~ # ntpd -4Lnd 16 Nov 09:04:33 ntpd[1122]: ntpd 4.2.8p8-a (1): Starting 16 Nov 09:04:33 ntpd[1122]: Command line: ntpd -4Lnd 16 Nov 09:04:33 ntpd[1122]: proto: precision = 0.183 usec (-22) 16 Nov 09:04:33 ntpd[1122]: restrict: ignoring line 48, mask '::' unusable. 16 Nov 09:04:33 ntpd[1122]: leapsecond file ('/var/db/ntpd.leap-seconds.list'): good hash signature 16 Nov 09:04:33 ntpd[1122]: leapsecond file ('/var/db/ntpd.leap-seconds.list'): loaded, expire=2017-06-01T00:00:00Z last=2017-01-01T00:00:00Z ofs=37 16 Nov 09:04:33 ntpd[1122]: Listen and drop on 0 v4wildcard 0.0.0.0:123 16 Nov 09:04:33 ntpd[1122]: Listen normally on 1 em0 192.168.1.209:123 16 Nov 09:04:33 ntpd[1122]: Listen normally on 2 lo0 127.0.0.1:123 16 Nov 09:04:33 ntpd[1122]: Listening on routing socket on fd #23 for interface updates ntpd: clnt_dg_create: out of memory (null) ntpd: clnt_dg_create: out of memory -- --- --:--:-- ntpd[1122]: fatal out of memory (64 bytes) For the life of me I cannot figure out why ntpd refuses to run on computer "B." Has anyone seen anything like this before? Any ideas on where I should start looking? 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Skuhra" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make buildworld fails in 11.0-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <12cceb1a-b1e7-373e-eff4-f3837ec9a51d@kukulies.org> References: <16f3a1aa-c011-8042-d60b-cd379e672774@kukulies.org> <86twb7phhd.wl-herbert@mailbox.org> <12cceb1a-b1e7-373e-eff4-f3837ec9a51d@kukulies.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 21:13:36 -0000 Christoph P. U. Kukulies skrev: > > Am 16.11.2016 um 16:33 schrieb Herbert J. Skuhra: >> Christoph P. U. Kukulies skrev: >>> I did a make buildworld in 11.0-RELEASE (which I updated to by >>> freebsd-update), then downloaded the sources >>> via fetch >>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/11.0-RELEASE/src.txz >>> >>> make buildworld fails: >>> >>> >>> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall (cleandir) >>> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/backend (cleandir) >>> rm -f .depend .depend.* >>> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/backend-partmanager (cleandir) >>> rm -f .depend .depend.* >>> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/backend-query (cleandir) >>> rm -f .depend .depend.* >>> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/conf (cleandir) >>> rm -f .depend .depend.* >>> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/doc (cleandir) >>> rm -f .depend .depend.* >>> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/examples (cleandir) >>> rm -f .depend .depend.* >>> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/pc-sysinstall (cleandir) >>> rm -f pc-sysinstall.8.gz pc-sysinstall.8.cat.gz >>> rm -f .depend .depend.* >>> ===> usr.sbin/ftp-proxy (cleandir) >>> rm -f ftp-proxy ftp-proxy.full ftp-proxy.debug ftp-proxy.o filter.o >>> ftp-proxy.8.gz ftp-proxy.8.cat.gz >>> rm: ftp-proxy: is a directory >>> *** Error code 1 >>> >>> Stop. >>> make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/usr.sbin/ftp-proxy >>> *** Error code 1 >> Have you tried to wipe /usr/obj? > > > Yes, I wiped out /usr/obj (rm -rf /usr/obj) Do you set MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX? >> Is there a directory called ftp-proxy in /usr/src/usr.sbin/ftp-proxy? >> Have you tried to remove it (rm -rf)? > > You mean remove the directory > > /usr/src/usr.sbin/ftp-proxy > > even though it's part of the sources? No. I mean /usr/src/usb.sbin/ftp-proxy/ftp-proxy/. > Yes, there is a directory /usr/src/usr.sbin/ftp-proxy. ls -l /usr/src/usr.sbin/ftp-proxy This directory should contain only two files: Makefile and Makefile.depend. -- Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 00:56:29 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C957C41C15 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 00:56:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=11229452a9=vogelke@pobox.com) Received: from KIRTLAND-MAIL1.afnoc.af.mil (kirtland-mail1.afnoc.af.mil [132.3.53.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "KIRTLAND-MAIL1.afnoc.af.mil", Issuer "DOD CA-28" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C34B7ECE for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 00:56:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=11229452a9=vogelke@pobox.com) Received-PRA: neutral (us.af.mil: 131.9.254.133 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of pobox.com) client-ip=131.9.254.133; envelope-from=vogelke@pobox.com; helo=us.af.mil; Received-SPF: neutral (us.af.mil: 131.9.254.133 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of pobox.com) client-ip=131.9.254.133; envelope-from=vogelke@pobox.com; helo=us.af.mil; Received: from us.af.mil (unknown [131.9.254.133]) by KIRTLAND-MAIL1.afnoc.af.mil with smtp (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA) id 05a4_3219_4f3baa7f_459b_41be_90fe_8e7c8c3edb1e; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 00:56:14 +0000 Received: from ([131.9.40.227]) by 52vejx-mr-002.us.af.mil with SMTP id 5X21FN1.255012423; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 18:56:07 -0600 Received: (qmail 21647 invoked by uid 100); 17 Nov 2016 00:56:06 -0000 From: "Karl Vogel" Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 19:56:06 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ntpd crashing unexpectedly (out of memory) Message-ID: <20161117005606.GA20478@bsd118.wpafb.af.mil> Reply-To: vogelke@pobox.com References: <84a50eee-0bf1-c1d6-62c4-c9915ded3953@stuffbymatt.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <84a50eee-0bf1-c1d6-62c4-c9915ded3953@stuffbymatt.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 00:56:29 -0000 >> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 09:14:00AM -0700, Matt Adams wrote: M> On computer "B" ntpd starts but then dies with an "out of memory" error. M> Here is the output: M> ... M> ntpd: clnt_dg_create: out of memory This used to happen on Solaris boxes; the workaround was to start NTPD first, *then* start nscd. I know, grasping at straws... If push comes to shove, have you tried Chrony? It's supposed to be simpler than NTPD and work on FreeBSD: https://chrony.tuxfamily.org/ -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company Don't stand too close to people who are always bandaged up. (From "Fires Give the Test Just Ahead of the Lesson") --Joe Duval (duvalj@bionette.cgrb.orst.edu) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 01:07:18 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEC6C41F9D for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 01:07:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin+bsd@citrin.ru) Received: from hz.citrin.ru (hz.citrin.ru [88.198.212.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 943001362 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 01:07:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin+bsd@citrin.ru) Received: from x220.lan (c-24-60-168-172.hsd1.ct.comcast.net [24.60.168.172]) by hz.citrin.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E0F97286B03 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 01:07:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: ntpd crashing unexpectedly (out of memory) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <84a50eee-0bf1-c1d6-62c4-c9915ded3953@stuffbymatt.ca> From: Anton Yuzhaninov Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 20:07:13 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <84a50eee-0bf1-c1d6-62c4-c9915ded3953@stuffbymatt.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=citrin.ru; s=s0; t=1479344835; bh=abxbZ/cS30zK01NuNg7/x4LVKp5elAC5p5VkEk5WZv8=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4g+Ts9posa263b/EFEkl7RGDHHnXjtJZ5oCkoubcJmzGM2108GQQ5Yxo6JN2/bTHVN/PMucBPDdhPIgk+YcFiRB04/iMgF5HYocu5LcZ4/Cz0jVAxNqoGsUj//cFIvPg3XWu3kT1ymr4Rk2nGkry27p1ND9oVF9O/pq2Bw73MIQ= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 01:07:18 -0000 On 11/16/16 11:14, Matt Adams wrote: > 16 Nov 09:04:33 ntpd[1122]: Listen and drop on 0 v4wildcard 0.0.0.0:123 > 16 Nov 09:04:33 ntpd[1122]: Listen normally on 1 em0 192.168.1.209:123 > 16 Nov 09:04:33 ntpd[1122]: Listen normally on 2 lo0 127.0.0.1:123 > 16 Nov 09:04:33 ntpd[1122]: Listening on routing socket on fd #23 for > interface updates > ntpd: clnt_dg_create: out of memory > (null) > ntpd: clnt_dg_create: out of memory > -- --- --:--:-- ntpd[1122]: fatal out of memory (64 bytes) It looks like a bug in ntpd (or somewhere else). Try to run it with ktrace -t+ and see what ntpd does right before issuing this error. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 07:23:52 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CF1C4658C for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 07:23:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8247E17 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 07:23:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id B7800C4658B; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 07:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B736AC4658A for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 07:23:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D76AE16 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 07:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33974D7884 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:13:48 +0700 (ICT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.ait.ac.th; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:date :subject:subject:from:from:received:received:received; s= selector1; t=1479366827; x=1481181228; bh=3Bp6w0TVvyhjpnbmDBNwCn g2W2exfpGzK4lIVmHtNUQ=; b=LY7mJPoz+Fim7tSMSXuebiITsED3UNV8owkJE7 DT4qkPu/l+cNyIttIv9vgHAS+o4DmSkoBZi8NadRa6mfniBumao4E5TU7d6Wf2Pm u8/FQrIxlnZeacbKGce3lrLcO/7/+uSdX5BYBJQ8B5bPn1MRr32gO9VlEnIVebI7 6JNz4= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.ait.ac.th Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id PHryoCP3VG7F for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:13:47 +0700 (ICT) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B6EAD78A1 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:13:32 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id uAG8XZEu013673; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:33:35 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th) From: Olivier To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: New behavious in /dev/consolectl Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:33:35 +0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 07:23:52 -0000 Hi, I have a simple program that read the middle button of the mouse at start-up and reply with (close/pressed or open/released) (see below). In previous versions of FreeBSD (up to 9 I think), if the middle button was pressed when I launched the program, it was detected, and I could launch and relaunch the program, it was always replying with "close". Now (FreeBSD 10), the close is only detected on the first run. The second run will reply "open", even if I keep the button pressed all the time; like if by reading the button, I was erasing the memory. I( am pretty positive it was not an issue on previous versions of FreeBSD, as I have been relying on this for a long time. Any idea what has changed? Best regards, Olivier #include #include #include #include int main (int argc, char ** argv, char** env) { int fd_mouse; struct mouse_info mouse_info; fd_mouse=open("/dev/consolectl", O_RDWR); mouse_info.operation=MOUSE_GETINFO; ioctl(fd_mouse, CONS_MOUSECTL, &mouse_info); if (((mouse_info.u.data.buttons&(int)2)==2)) { printf("closed\n"); } else { printf("open\n"); } } -- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 08:21:19 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5775FC46B22 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 08:21:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com", Issuer "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F7EBB65 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 08:21:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from [74.134.208.22] ([74.134.208.22:23874] helo=localhost) by dnvrco-omsmta03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id A3/C6-05440-C786D285; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 08:21:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 08:20:43 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: [HAM, NOT SPAM] Re: Letting you know about a broken link References: <4610835.or_mail@whoishostingthismail.com> <20161116123108.GA94972@spectrum.skysmurf.nl> X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.88:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 08:21:19 -0000 from Danielle James: > I just wanted to let you know about a link that seems to be broken on this page http://www.freebsd.org/projects/cvsweb.html. > Here's the link http://www.mandriva.com/ "Mandriva Linux", but the page doesn’t seem to be active any more. > We've put together a guide to Mandriva; you can see it here http://wiht.link/mandrivalinux. I thought it may make a good replacement. Alphons van Werven responded: > To anyone who might have commit rights to that page: the above claim is > actually correct. Mandriva Linux is dead and so is said link. Perhaps > someone can fix that link, or remove it altogether if it's no longer > relevant anyway. I can submit a PR if needed. http://wiht.link/mandrivalinux redirects to http://www.whoishostingthis.com/resources/mandriva/ Mandriva itself is dead but lives on in the form of several forks: Open Mandriva, Mageia, ROSA, and PCLinuxOS. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 09:12:10 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7D6C44EA8 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:12:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [78.47.239.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A032F1 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:12:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691004DA409; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:12:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eJL03UL2hDCM; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:12:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.27.4.215] (unknown [87.79.34.228]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A0D1C4DA408; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:12:07 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: make buildworld fails in 11.0-RELEASE To: "Herbert J. Skuhra" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <16f3a1aa-c011-8042-d60b-cd379e672774@kukulies.org> <86twb7phhd.wl-herbert@mailbox.org> From: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" Message-ID: <77b4b6c9-a490-049f-cb17-e63a62ece96f@kukulies.org> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:12:10 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <86twb7phhd.wl-herbert@mailbox.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:12:10 -0000 I don't set it explicitly but I can see it is set in the output of buildworld: --------------------------------------------------------------^M >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims^M --------------------------------------------------------------^M cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp INSTALL="sh /usr/src/tools/i nstall.sh" TOOLS_PREFIX=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/ usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/bin:/sb in:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin WORLDTMP=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp MAKEFLAGS="-m /usr/sr c/tools/build/mk -m /usr/src/share/mk" make -f Makefile.inc1 DESTDIR= BOOTST RAPPING=1100122 SSP_CFLAGS= MK_HTML=no NO_LINT=yes MK_MAN=no -DNO_PIC MK_PROF ILE=no -DNO_SHARED -DNO_CPU_CFLAGS MK_WARNS=no MK_CTF=no MK_CLANG_EXTRAS=no MK _CLANG_FULL=no MK_LLDB=no MK_TESTS=no MK_INCLUDES=yes legacy^M ===> tools/build (obj,includes,all,install)^M When I looked into /usr/src/usr.sbin/ftp-proxy there were besides the two Makefile files also a directory ftp-proxy. I then removed the /usr/src tree totally and loaded it again from the tar file and it looked clean then. Am 16.11.2016 um 16:33 schrieb Herbert J. Skuhra: > Christoph P. U. Kukulies skrev: >> I did a make buildworld in 11.0-RELEASE (which I updated to by >> freebsd-update), then downloaded the sources >> via fetch >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/11.0-RELEASE/src.txz >> >> make buildworld fails: >> >> >> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall (cleandir) >> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/backend (cleandir) >> rm -f .depend .depend.* >> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/backend-partmanager (cleandir) >> rm -f .depend .depend.* >> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/backend-query (cleandir) >> rm -f .depend .depend.* >> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/conf (cleandir) >> rm -f .depend .depend.* >> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/doc (cleandir) >> rm -f .depend .depend.* >> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/examples (cleandir) >> rm -f .depend .depend.* >> ===> usr.sbin/pc-sysinstall/pc-sysinstall (cleandir) >> rm -f pc-sysinstall.8.gz pc-sysinstall.8.cat.gz >> rm -f .depend .depend.* >> ===> usr.sbin/ftp-proxy (cleandir) >> rm -f ftp-proxy ftp-proxy.full ftp-proxy.debug ftp-proxy.o filter.o >> ftp-proxy.8.gz ftp-proxy.8.cat.gz >> rm: ftp-proxy: is a directory >> *** Error code 1 >> >> Stop. >> make[4]: stopped in /usr/src/usr.sbin/ftp-proxy >> *** Error code 1 > Have you tried to wipe /usr/obj? > Is there a directory called ftp-proxy in /usr/src/usr.sbin/ftp-proxy? > Have you tried to remove it (rm -rf)? > > -- > Herbert > -- Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 11:39:39 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F539C464FB for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 11:39:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [78.47.239.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1A91085 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 11:39:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4A74DA409 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:39:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UcvIn2OWsaWb for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:39:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.27.4.215] (unknown [87.79.34.228]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 82AC84DA408 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:39:31 +0100 (CET) To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" Subject: what is this libclang stuff and why does it take so long in make build world? Message-ID: <47ae909e-9415-0d32-0b68-847f38ef9a8f@kukulies.org> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:39:33 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 11:39:39 -0000 I find that make buildworld deals a half eternity with compiling /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/lib/clang What is this c++ stuff actually ? -- Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 12:26:51 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69DBC45DBC for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:26:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7026FAAD for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:26:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F1C5E2C3D for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/F1C5E2C3D; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: what is this libclang stuff and why does it take so long in make build world? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <47ae909e-9415-0d32-0b68-847f38ef9a8f@kukulies.org> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <9ff8c484-b36a-8c9e-326c-2ed146d2afca@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:26:30 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <47ae909e-9415-0d32-0b68-847f38ef9a8f@kukulies.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kMSEK4Ix8R4rElWb1JEVSpu2tsPjsCe2I" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:26:51 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --kMSEK4Ix8R4rElWb1JEVSpu2tsPjsCe2I Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="6tWhaRFs5TiIuOuL6HDNbBaDU2T8u28Cn"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <9ff8c484-b36a-8c9e-326c-2ed146d2afca@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: what is this libclang stuff and why does it take so long in make build world? References: <47ae909e-9415-0d32-0b68-847f38ef9a8f@kukulies.org> In-Reply-To: <47ae909e-9415-0d32-0b68-847f38ef9a8f@kukulies.org> --6tWhaRFs5TiIuOuL6HDNbBaDU2T8u28Cn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/17/16 11:39, Christoph P.U. Kukulies wrote: > I find that >=20 >=20 > make buildworld >=20 >=20 > deals a half eternity with compiling /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/lib/c= lang >=20 >=20 > What is this c++ stuff actually ? It's the system C and C++ compiler and much of the rest of the toolchain. http://www.llvm.org/ Yes, it can take a very long time to build compared to the rest of the system. but time spent on the compiler means that when it compiles other software, it will be speedier, and that the resultant software will itself perform better. Cheers, Matthew --6tWhaRFs5TiIuOuL6HDNbBaDU2T8u28Cn-- --kMSEK4Ix8R4rElWb1JEVSpu2tsPjsCe2I Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJYLaH2AAoJEABRPxDgqeTnyDsP/1hJT2y4diwqRoqdEPedjJNF yillxTV/Iiw62P0XjsIFro1ezKhCWakUt+Jqnxl89FjxuzytPFwkvw8f/V+PlFrp jdUHj1fOGTfw3WMLex39q9L7iPh7Ss7SdVlKZCuQvAoQCOnz6oE3/7+beX+ZSro9 lcrOZTZ89LWBRSp9UUcSIX12PrsqhKOvSeTIDUNej5yeypOUpOz5GBPdbQy6SDBi Pw+aGOLViuQsHUc1Vl0dTsghpOKoYCA0XYhDDqxpbfGehFUaT4QnPDdN9EB/8gJH /XRSQYPadcxnoXkV/K/zlpFqio9hBG7X0YnuJpeFHKJG7M8X78BS7YQAnzlOGr6q jmv7MLTMWR7RyaSxX4JtIpVwMsGy215xsO/PZiqticUzdb1pxnI1yDAdAqQvMYxN ZSfx6bNmYs1madNHiN/spcHEJVrh0xSDF/+e7Eemqtytz2hGBjGHQC4BM/IShFVp Q4bhjVTtHlkIcQTTMPPMqmyWB7ZthpOKxDXKvxhOVVOsIzz2PSS+zy8DRNj59Pzq yxMojiESfGsGnDnYZjlvq6nEouevoVSM9vC+3g9ThcmFiD//BkMaW5yGG4P7LUlN ZaQ/rCLLaj6pElc25HEr3sVwXMywEYO7UR8DM/JNaMRt6FL728xCFMnEEezgbmw/ 6IHm9QmZrcsRr9agIc2j =O0J5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kMSEK4Ix8R4rElWb1JEVSpu2tsPjsCe2I-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 12:40:29 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B63F5C4717C for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:40:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org", Issuer "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 442D4FB5 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:40:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id uAHCBrCg023507; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:11:54 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Subject: Re: what is this libclang stuff and why does it take so long in make build world? To: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <47ae909e-9415-0d32-0b68-847f38ef9a8f@kukulies.org> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: <73d89709-27ca-64fd-34c7-b7ca848429d9@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:11:53 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <47ae909e-9415-0d32-0b68-847f38ef9a8f@kukulies.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:40:29 -0000 On 17/11/2016 11:39, Christoph P.U. Kukulies wrote: > I find that > > > make buildworld > > > deals a half eternity with compiling /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/lib/clang > > > What is this c++ stuff actually ? > It's not just C++. Try "man clang". -- Schrödinger's cat had 18 half lives. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 13:43:54 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8C2C47E4E for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 13:43:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fluca1978@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x241.google.com (mail-wm0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B83F3A42 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 13:43:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fluca1978@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x241.google.com with SMTP id a20so21467464wme.2 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:43:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=BkB5mWJCmXPe36CxCIDAAS9+7IQLW516QckHg17MLFk=; b=fJBagZr1IDpF3PFxnNReu0netL8R26hzcOX8KympRMojjcJyWBfk899dEjuPhpIiC2 fw6MTh+7dscsg8FOcBrV7cykiqmZP7wr4LXwJVQTPhzZakKlvZoy/Sjn8I0tqqldyE25 ttERxSFt8+jrKfuZUs60KDSqhWplfu55WW5vy/4cPLVkAdQQ2Yhvzv8spTWbHZXfGKip EDGo5d4twPNQy9kTNOJunqZZnCLr4RQ3Zr51Z3VExToEEwX4wd8ZggGlL7PlDdOVGFAZ CTp6AkDYiQlid99IzEHdK6MwuXDNCCyUHofIF1VIIuWCcGQ88w2+5W2POaHvz0KDdsYb ajiA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=BkB5mWJCmXPe36CxCIDAAS9+7IQLW516QckHg17MLFk=; b=TJhGIDCEDvB31J4NdoeRPDfCFjOK7S0Wkm1e38Z121VnjM6yMw0mmLbojv1qkyWw2O VuXtnYklEZuuwYHf75VCbKcYRFUIesmx+zv78MsEF9V3qVhKMExsYjAttb0R4+ZifyjH LDXeco9N0qLCZTjg8phfJNKzD3J/1799SMS5td/A+YTMi8zUO88A1vCF1j57kN89Vr3S /4JO+euXSr8KkDKtFYeg5cYMo7WMlzd+o7gzuIwzzfSG6pZdRAzi/Fp1uJHt2C8Ue/Rq nTgaLpsfMPOz2tfveWN/zEwaMjBbRpg0CWVQ5ugD40fu0239o+sJGb2FhvO3/9IJu0w0 MSZA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvfPJ5PmE4kkyr2xIQDszbAnBHAHRzX87gl+km0/L3lVzQRFEIMKrWG4ooNdJL70jLtWdfUheIiueLb7GA== X-Received: by 10.28.152.137 with SMTP id a131mr15633475wme.56.1479390232290; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:43:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: fluca1978@gmail.com Received: by 10.194.14.99 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:43:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20161115181859.GB1500@bsd.duckdns.org> References: <20161115181859.GB1500@bsd.duckdns.org> From: Luca Ferrari Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:43:11 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8ZuXJfg7jVdOhhL084Na8tiHrAQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: [OPINION] Picture Management To: J Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 13:43:54 -0000 On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 7:18 PM, J wrote: > Hey Guys, > > i am looking for Input on a good Picture Managment tool, > which is included in the Portstree. > I am currently using DigiKam, but i am curious if there are similiar > tools, which run well on *BSD. I use digikam too and I'm quite satisfied, however I would take a look at darkroom and lighttable. Luca From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 14:24:11 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2133C47845 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:24:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522451F19 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:24:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39515342 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 20:20:41 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id uAHEO5wG092426 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 21:24:05 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id uAHEO3UP092425 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 21:24:03 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 21:24:03 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what is this libclang stuff and why does it take so long in make build world? Message-ID: <20161117142403.GA92391@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <47ae909e-9415-0d32-0b68-847f38ef9a8f@kukulies.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47ae909e-9415-0d32-0b68-847f38ef9a8f@kukulies.org> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:24:12 -0000 Christoph P.U. Kukulies wrote: > I find that > make buildworld > deals a half eternity with compiling /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/lib/clang > What is this c++ stuff actually ? I think you can significantly reduce the compilation time by defining WITHOUT_LLDB=yes in src.conf, unless you really need the debugger. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 17:44:26 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83031C4758E for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:44:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FF4B35 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:44:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 65574C4758D; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:44:26 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FF5C4758C for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:44:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x235.google.com (mail-qk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24108B34 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:44:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk0-x235.google.com with SMTP id x190so230878401qkb.0 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:44:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=n+TsvSvwydSzRow1WQZ8s5KbJkWtcQeYskXSNW3SNV4=; b=dC0OWflMrr4G51KuNEJRJEfQgo7HSfILrkJXHSBFlAytjQ9Yyb6N9xYaSwI98YmtXh 586qjScOj6NADggYF4LC+8NDz9YFqZYRcoVR8YJh5OUEjnzjPiJyL+vRYWUGQcp3O85h eFuoSqVwOGgBdI0RxUULWPnmV/5i2+/3YU3K55cetryBnCJ5q3K1UiDvI7EoEal5x5Ig /9SRlnkObChAHL4Rpy+OzcIsi4rOvvfEhRwen5uRYiZHF27Wh4ogX7ryXWbzP646FgIb vFuve8tn2HZCisiZ9qDU1AZcNfQlqoHik995s9l/hgaHWmog8FAc79IUK4TDZJsF1zHw j8bw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=n+TsvSvwydSzRow1WQZ8s5KbJkWtcQeYskXSNW3SNV4=; b=S3ZKAwFifFPjAVWdHq7AVLAUlveRMo456Pkd40Iqq7tmPZ3VsBqD3T+5tR4s03Qf7u iYZx7twMaR/FVmI1Fb/s+8XvWBpoADuOIWmYYSN6MQLAlcVbeMUmq9YYUBWvq3z/GNeD FwM1eF9CFC8iJAPU1kjA68/90fldlpCa1zuSTSB5wXo5QPr0z63pHiJau3VVlCRqodV+ NsjTaAac6W/AmkNiohGyfjpqhvtqS/IKcz5eZdfKEnF0dIoSiFKWKpJWk2XLynRmSsvB cF6bW1XX3BKpwZM4jsyBeeN2L4uhah2PM4rzsOdKLoP6+fl/cZiXO+bmDbxqfo0kupBv EWgA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC02zOkJzOaq9gJ/R3JdfA8zBqq1N24MrnP9WLjPoIc0y9srIrBl2xVMolm4aggeBl7YvfdhcPsLFLBEf5Q== X-Received: by 10.233.220.71 with SMTP id q68mr4760328qkf.153.1479404665083; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:44:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.50.164 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:44:24 -0800 (PST) From: Waitman Gobble Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:44:24 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: 11.0-RELEASE-p3 question To: FreeBSD Questions List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:44:26 -0000 I seem to recall updating this machine a week or two ago. But it reports it's running p2. Is there an issue? # uname -a FreeBSD 11.0-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 11.0-RELEASE-p2 #0: Mon Oct 24 06:55:27 UTC 2016 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 # freebsd-update fetch src component not installed, skipped Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 4 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature for 11.0-RELEASE from update6.freebsd.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. No updates needed to update system to 11.0-RELEASE-p3. # uptime 5:43PM up 14 mins -- Waitman Gobble Los Altos California USA 510-830-7975 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 17:54:21 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC791C4786A for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:54:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robroy@robroygregg.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA67411A6 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:54:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robroy@robroygregg.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id A6F45C47869; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:54:21 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EA6C47868 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:54:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robroy@robroygregg.com) Received: from mail.robroygregg.com (173-13-147-189-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.13.147.189]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A8F411A5 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:54:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robroy@robroygregg.com) Received: from funmax (funmax.d.net [192.168.16.3]) by mail.robroygregg.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 575890c5; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:47:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:47:39 -0800 (PST) From: Robroy Gregg X-X-Sender: robroy@funmax.d.net To: Waitman Gobble cc: FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Re: 11.0-RELEASE-p3 question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:54:21 -0000 Good day Waitman, On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Waitman Gobble wrote: > I seem to recall updating this machine a week or two ago. But it > reports it's running p2. > > Is there an issue? The FreeBSD kernel and userland have separate patch levels; this is because some patches only apply to one or the other. So, your kernel is at "p2," while your userland is at "p3." This just means that the most recent round of patches didn't update the kernel. Try "freebsd-version -k," and "freebsd-version -u," to see the different levels. Wellbeing to you, Waitman. Robroy From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 17:57:38 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A4EC47978 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:57:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A5113A5 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:57:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 20061C47977; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAB4C47976 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:57:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qt0-x232.google.com (mail-qt0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE98613A4 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qt0-x232.google.com with SMTP id c47so139397554qtc.2 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:57:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=n5AnvedpCspEC2wdj2lTTkRBirDytY05RNP4ZTjxaC8=; b=v20qy1mJquYJFyIqaT9QzGFZcsdc1dL5W0dzcpgnrvUVrAnuVHh1S0Tvb9wzsnAVin Dl19k3xsMzVZ9LBsvsCPBRMYWJlRiuLqq+1RSybP76ORIEnjSlEBWdljYv6+BaSOsCSS xzBkimH1jIrg80RXZcFEhXf/5HdL0y6GXBqym9T2M05BdnBHnB1chfOfedMdlCcsrmTo CBcZmh9acwcFv1dyt3vfTrI2tmkDuXKjX68BbAaymH8Dl+hGmt/iNaMkh2f0oC9h3pRc kVcAPnfXp138g4I00qPIwQ243glxRZz8XUt7Z+YGj5biVSzPdNwNUPkl47nTLmUQCF+N R83w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=n5AnvedpCspEC2wdj2lTTkRBirDytY05RNP4ZTjxaC8=; b=eDYwTscV7nsemx8QIzQyDm6ZsX7lFy5WJO1Bch00fjTOoAUxI6jMsHUEztkoQ9Z9FW 8iZBSNDQLbsy7EyJqhhqWsxIWsxHsc3sJWRACPK0O38S8eYKl/6mAbEKgqxccm8qWAJ6 Ox0mqXrKGbmgyY98WhpH1v3rbmJDqg7Z1hKVOzyZFeXLUJO41WiDWbqrVGQskIiFQUrP 5w9I0z45t4ufE4cWS23jVE8RJ1Ohw/dUaYFjd3L1upRADsok83l3boUQ6jyoIf153JQI CvH/ChtrynylKNlBgU8QlnOIhUNR/yxbPrCUuftXuvlHY9cPfB5Q6Y6h+gtaZj3oxYF8 bU4w== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC037aiLvmky8eL31Z8/ww4tnc7bSdPunLpSBxbagjiavbzJvB3ifQKHlxqPCDxgdsKtNtiHxtBMg+WkNfg== X-Received: by 10.200.37.52 with SMTP id 49mr2896728qtm.240.1479405456783; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:57:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.50.164 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:57:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Waitman Gobble Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:57:36 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11.0-RELEASE-p3 question To: FreeBSD Questions List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:57:38 -0000 On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Robroy Gregg wrote: > > Good day Waitman, > > On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Waitman Gobble wrote: > >> I seem to recall updating this machine a week or two ago. But it >> reports it's running p2. >> >> Is there an issue? > > > The FreeBSD kernel and userland have separate patch levels; this is because > some patches only apply to one or the other. > > So, your kernel is at "p2," while your userland is at "p3." This just means > that the most recent round of patches didn't update the kernel. > > Try "freebsd-version -k," and "freebsd-version -u," to see the different > levels. > > Wellbeing to you, Waitman. > > Robroy Thanks, Mystery solved. # freebsd-version -k 11.0-RELEASE-p2 # freebsd-version -u 11.0-RELEASE-p3 -- Waitman Gobble Los Altos California USA 510-830-7975 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 18:53:13 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BD1C47B69 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:53:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cdptpa-oedge", Issuer "cdptpa-oedge" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C008E7 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:53:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [76.181.114.47] ([76.181.114.47:55663] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-omsmta03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id C4/32-04822-79CFD285; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:53:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1c7Ro6-00019E-S7 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 13:53:10 -0500 To: Mailinglists FreeBSD From: Baho Utot Subject: Ok How do I boot this monster? Message-ID: <07218d20-34a5-171b-f6a8-de3c271733cc@columbus.rr.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 13:53:10 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.88:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:53:13 -0000 Ok I have installed 11.0 latest memstick image. I patched/hacked bsdinstall ( /usr/libexec/bsdinstall/zfsboot) to install my zfs raidz2 using 800GB partitions. And it even worked! Now I need to boot this monster as well as my current 10.0 version until I can build my desktop upon the raidz, then I will decommission the 10.0 version when the 11.0 version is up to snuff. I have boot0 install to ada0 which boots win7 and 10.0 freebsd. Can this also boot the raidz? It does not appear in the boot0 menu. If so I can not find how to do this, duck duck go doesn't show me the way. Do I need a different boot loader? If so which one and how to make it work. Here is the layout as told by gpart gpart show => 63 976773105 ada0 MBR (466G) 63 1985 - free - (993K) 2048 204800 1 ntfs (100M) 206848 614195200 2 ntfs (293G) <--- win7 lives here this will need to boot 614402048 34 - free - (17K) 614402082 362371023 3 freebsd [active] (173G) <--- 10.0 current desktop needs to boot 976773105 63 - free - (32K) => 0 362371023 ada0s3 BSD (173G) 0 314572800 1 freebsd-ufs (150G) 314572800 47798222 2 freebsd-swap (23G) 362371022 1 - free - (512B) => 40 1953525088 ada1 GPT (932G) < -- 11.0 raidz2 lives here needs to boot so I can build it 40 1024 1 freebsd-boot (512K) 1064 984 - free - (492K) 2048 4194304 2 freebsd-swap (2.0G) 4196352 1677721600 3 freebsd-zfs (800G) 1681917952 271607176 - free - (130G) => 40 1953525088 ada2 GPT (932G) 40 1024 1 freebsd-boot (512K) 1064 984 - free - (492K) 2048 4194304 2 freebsd-swap (2.0G) 4196352 1677721600 3 freebsd-zfs (800G) 1681917952 271607176 - free - (130G) => 40 1953525088 ada3 GPT (932G) 40 1024 1 freebsd-boot (512K) 1064 984 - free - (492K) 2048 4194304 2 freebsd-swap (2.0G) 4196352 1677721600 3 freebsd-zfs (800G) 1681917952 271607176 - free - (130G) => 40 1953525088 ada4 GPT (932G) 40 1024 1 freebsd-boot (512K) 1064 984 - free - (492K) 2048 4194304 2 freebsd-swap (2.0G) 4196352 1677721600 3 freebsd-zfs (800G) 1681917952 271607176 - free - (130G) => 34 5860533101 ada5 GPT (2.7T) 34 2014 - free - (1.0M) 2048 1953122304 1 ms-basic-data (931G) <--- win7 data 1953124352 1048576000 2 freebsd-ufs (500G) <--- /usr/home will move to raidz when done 3001700352 8388608 3 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) <-- /tmp will die a humble death 3010088960 2850444175 - free - (1.3T) Thanks for the help From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 18:53:56 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E47C47BFE for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:53:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@stuffbymatt.ca) Received: from li134-142.members.linode.com (radicaldynamic.com [69.164.219.142]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.radicaldynamic.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 DV Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D2BD1DC for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:53:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@stuffbymatt.ca) Received: from li134-142.members.linode.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by li134-142.members.linode.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id uAHIrdBe005648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:53:39 GMT Received: (from prayer@localhost) by li134-142.members.linode.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id uAHIrdAG005646; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:53:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: li134-142.members.linode.com: prayer set sender to matt@stuffbymatt.ca using -f Received: from [192.41.148.220] by adamsclan.ca with HTTP (Prayer-1.3.3); 17 Nov 2016 18:53:39 +0000 Date: 17 Nov 2016 18:53:39 +0000 From: Matt Adams To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: "Kevin P. Neal" , Anton Yuzhaninov Subject: Re: ntpd crashing unexpectedly (out of memory) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20161117022224.GA96501@neutralgood.org> References: <84a50eee-0bf1-c1d6-62c4-c9915ded3953@stuffbymatt.ca> <20161117022224.GA96501@neutralgood.org> X-Mailer: Prayer v1.3.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:53:56 -0000 On Nov 17 2016, Kevin P. Neal wrote: > How much memory does this machine have, and is it running anything that > uses lots of memory? It's a desktop with 32GB of RAM so it should be plenty. It's not running anything that is memory intensive. This occurs during the initial boot and afterwards too if I try to run it manually. I will try the ktrace suggested by Anton and post the results. Thanks, Matt From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 19:19:38 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9011C470D6 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:19:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A289FCF for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:19:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id uAHJJQsv051825 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:19:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id uAHJJQaW051822; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:19:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:19:26 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Baho Utot cc: Mailinglists FreeBSD Subject: Re: Ok How do I boot this monster? In-Reply-To: <07218d20-34a5-171b-f6a8-de3c271733cc@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: References: <07218d20-34a5-171b-f6a8-de3c271733cc@columbus.rr.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.1 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:19:26 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:19:38 -0000 On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Baho Utot wrote: > Ok I have installed 11.0 latest memstick image. > > I patched/hacked bsdinstall ( /usr/libexec/bsdinstall/zfsboot) to install my > zfs raidz2 using 800GB partitions. And it even worked! > > Now I need to boot this monster as well as my current 10.0 version until I > can build my desktop upon the raidz, then I will decommission the 10.0 > version when the 11.0 version is up to snuff. > > I have boot0 install to ada0 which boots win7 and 10.0 freebsd. > > Can this also boot the raidz? No, boot0 is MBR-only. The easiest way I see to do this is to install gptzfsboot bootcode to the ZFS drives and choose one of them from the BIOS boot menu. Grub can multi-boot GPT also, although it needs a small partition of its own. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 19:31:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88847C477FB for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:31:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61AC018F1 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:31:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 2502CCB8CA4; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 13:08:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 13:08:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <53499.128.135.52.6.1479409707.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <84a50eee-0bf1-c1d6-62c4-c9915ded3953@stuffbymatt.ca> <20161117022224.GA96501@neutralgood.org> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 13:08:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: ntpd crashing unexpectedly (out of memory) From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Matt Adams" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Kevin P. Neal" , "Anton Yuzhaninov" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:31:35 -0000 On Thu, November 17, 2016 12:53 pm, Matt Adams wrote: > On Nov 17 2016, Kevin P. Neal wrote: > >> How much memory does this machine have, and is it running anything that >> uses lots of memory? > > It's a desktop with 32GB of RAM so it should be plenty. It's not running > anything that is memory intensive. This occurs during the initial boot and > afterwards too if I try to run it manually. If you remap memory hole in BIOS, try to remove that and see if that is culprit (it usually works well, but I've seen it once or twice faulty). Valeri > > I will try the ktrace suggested by Anton and post the results. > > Thanks, > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 19:42:11 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0B9C47B22 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:42:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cdptpa-oedge", Issuer "cdptpa-oedge" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02C841FCF for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:42:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [76.181.114.47] ([76.181.114.47:55686] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-omsmta03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id 8F/CF-04822-9C70E285; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:40:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1c7SYL-0001Ae-GL for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:40:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Ok How do I boot this monster? To: Mailinglists FreeBSD References: <07218d20-34a5-171b-f6a8-de3c271733cc@columbus.rr.com> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <575baf45-b23d-163f-79b0-213a6ba51c91@columbus.rr.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:40:57 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.88:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:42:11 -0000 On 11/17/16 14:19, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Baho Utot wrote: > >> Ok I have installed 11.0 latest memstick image. >> >> I patched/hacked bsdinstall ( /usr/libexec/bsdinstall/zfsboot) to >> install my zfs raidz2 using 800GB partitions. And it even worked! >> >> Now I need to boot this monster as well as my current 10.0 version >> until I can build my desktop upon the raidz, then I will decommission >> the 10.0 version when the 11.0 version is up to snuff. >> >> I have boot0 install to ada0 which boots win7 and 10.0 freebsd. >> >> Can this also boot the raidz? > > No, boot0 is MBR-only. The easiest way I see to do this is to install > gptzfsboot bootcode to the ZFS drives and choose one of them from the > BIOS boot menu. Grub can multi-boot GPT also, although it needs a > small partition of its own. I think the bsdinstall puts that code onto the zfs drives already or am I miss informed? Would creating the raidz on MBR partitions be an answer? Is there a HowTo that shows me how to setup grub if so I have some space left on the drives so I can give grub what it needs. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 21:14:50 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A21C46247 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 21:14:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-f65.google.com (mail-it0-f65.google.com [209.85.214.65]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2CB31AAC for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 21:14:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-f65.google.com with SMTP id b123so17953739itb.2 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 13:14:49 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=F+LX+xfua7apoaeyuj3WLy8zGtHIIXN5fehJWmqtQiA=; b=Bhdh0pDLoSqUMNf+TOZe3XfajWzrskcJH0x+2ZP8ulv/DKilCacqWU0K14NRjJ4RZP QYWI/aVN/nqdQLhNwg2AQ3t62Drso10m77T0cAUeXo/fxnI5xNEuktLilvxcFyDC+56J F2gb4MxLwXDF9G5LvO5UXYaU/yJVXonmG99J0vHvlPKGJ7kkhAHuZGlOuFdaBdMlYjin 2oiV4axKo5LIMn6XQZAg/s3HIpXQu/pZKJUN2ReoBJwnXgRslWiHbLV8gM0AWmPMZ5Y/ p5lMfMJRdHGlxpE6sP5fPwZmeGEStov/Liq9cylkzK63obuMx+lFtHnUSIcyDQ8+4rqo 48fQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvetTP7padQ51IfNfLiBrQrgAJFA5neyNuAxHES+0r3I4Iow9vpRsj5/9T8ZAK7kgg== X-Received: by 10.36.192.84 with SMTP id u81mr5100542itf.51.1479416376878; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from WorkBox.homestead.org (174-30-201-142.mpls.qwest.net. [174.30.201.142]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l3sm5740053iti.3.2016.11.17.12.59.35 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:59:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (WorkBox.homestead.org [local]) by WorkBox.homestead.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id ea0884f5; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:59:36 -0600 (CST) References: <07218d20-34a5-171b-f6a8-de3c271733cc@columbus.rr.com> <575baf45-b23d-163f-79b0-213a6ba51c91@columbus.rr.com> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 25.1.1 From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: Baho Utot Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ok How do I boot this monster? In-reply-to: <575baf45-b23d-163f-79b0-213a6ba51c91@columbus.rr.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:59:36 -0600 Message-ID: <86eg29x1on.fsf@WorkBox.homestead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 21:14:50 -0000 Baho Utot writes: > On 11/17/16 14:19, Warren Block wrote: >> On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Baho Utot wrote: >> >>> Can this also boot the raidz? >> >> No, boot0 is MBR-only. The easiest way I see to do this is to install >> gptzfsboot bootcode to the ZFS drives and choose one of them from the >> BIOS boot menu. Grub can multi-boot GPT also, although it needs a >> small partition of its own. > > I think the bsdinstall puts that code onto the zfs drives already or am > I miss informed? I believe it should in its unadulterated state. But then you hacked the installer, introducing a new variable. > Would creating the raidz on MBR partitions be an answer? It would be *an* answer, but I'm not sure I would consider it *the* answer. It would basically place an expiration date on your new install, since it would depend on older hardware to keep functioning. A more recent motherboard would not be able to read the drives without legacy BIOS support, so you might not be able to just transplant the disks into a new machine when the time came. I would recommend just using gpart(8) to install the correct bootcode (/boot/gptzfsboot) as Warren suggested. The trouble, though, is that---unless I'm mistaken---that bootcode requires a dedicated partition. Configuring the system to boot would require 128k partitions to be created at the start of each disk to hold the bootcode, and that would mean either manually partitioning the drives (which is the typical way of installing to a custom ZFS setup) or writing more code into your custom bsdinstall. -- :: Brandon J. Wandersee :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: -------------------------------------------------- :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 21:18:45 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A5AC46369 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 21:18:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cdptpa-oedge", Issuer "cdptpa-oedge" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E8701C20 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 21:18:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [76.181.114.47] ([76.181.114.47:55730] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-omsmta03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id 94/6A-04822-3BE1E285; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 21:18:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1c7U4w-0001Cw-N1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 16:18:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Ok How do I boot this monster? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <07218d20-34a5-171b-f6a8-de3c271733cc@columbus.rr.com> <575baf45-b23d-163f-79b0-213a6ba51c91@columbus.rr.com> <86eg29x1on.fsf@WorkBox.homestead.org> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <33eee98a-dbf4-4376-3cee-d4349b11c985@columbus.rr.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 16:18:42 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <86eg29x1on.fsf@WorkBox.homestead.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.88:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 21:18:45 -0000 On 11/17/16 15:59, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > Baho Utot writes: > >> On 11/17/16 14:19, Warren Block wrote: >>> On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Baho Utot wrote: >>> >>>> Can this also boot the raidz? >>> No, boot0 is MBR-only. The easiest way I see to do this is to install >>> gptzfsboot bootcode to the ZFS drives and choose one of them from the >>> BIOS boot menu. Grub can multi-boot GPT also, although it needs a >>> small partition of its own. >> I think the bsdinstall puts that code onto the zfs drives already or am >> I miss informed? > I believe it should in its unadulterated state. But then you hacked the > installer, introducing a new variable. > >> Would creating the raidz on MBR partitions be an answer? > It would be *an* answer, but I'm not sure I would consider it *the* > answer. It would basically place an expiration date on your new install, > since it would depend on older hardware to keep functioning. A more > recent motherboard would not be able to read the drives without legacy > BIOS support, so you might not be able to just transplant the disks into > a new machine when the time came. > > I would recommend just using gpart(8) to install the correct bootcode > (/boot/gptzfsboot) as Warren suggested. The trouble, though, is > that---unless I'm mistaken---that bootcode requires a dedicated > partition. Configuring the system to boot would require 128k partitions > to be created at the start of each disk to hold the bootcode, and that > would mean either manually partitioning the drives (which is the typical > way of installing to a custom ZFS setup) or writing more code into your > custom bsdinstall. > Don't read too much into the "hacked bsdinstall version", I ain't that good. All I did was this..... from: f_eval_catch $funcname gpart "$GPART_ADD_LABEL" \ zfs$index freebsd-zfs $disk || return $FAILURE to: f_eval_catch $funcname gpart "$GPART_ADD_LABEL_WITH_SIZE" \ zfs$index freebsd-zfs 800Gb $disk || return $FAILURE The raidz will boot if I pull the other drives and let it boot with just the 4 zfs raidz drives so I know it will boot. Just have to get it to play nice with the other systems (win7 and 10.0) and boot. I just need to configure out how to make it boot with the other drives. Hand holding required. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 22:45:32 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01041C47CAC for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 22:45:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [198.74.231.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D558713DC for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 22:45:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [198.74.231.63]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF63546B8A for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id uAHMjUmH020657 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:45:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id uAHMjUI2020654 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:45:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:45:30 -0500 (EST) From: doug Reply-To: doug@safeport.com To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Yet another boot question Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:45:30 -0500 (EST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 22:45:32 -0000 My is simpler than booting the "monster" I had to replace my workstation. It was supposed to come with windows 7 that I was going to toss. As it came with 10 I shrunk the windows partition and installed 10.3. Getting: => 63 3907029105 ada0 MBR (1.8T) 63 1985 - free - (993K) 2048 204800 1 ntfs (100M) 206848 833284096 2 ntfs (397G) 833490944 1 - free - (512B) 833490945 3070230471 4 freebsd [active] (1.4T) 3903721416 1769528 - free - (864M) 3905490944 1536000 3 !39 (750M) 3907026944 2224 - free - (1.1M) => 0 3070230471 ada0s4 BSD (1.4T) 0 6291456 1 freebsd-ufs (3.0G) 6291456 8388608 2 freebsd-swap (4.0G) 14680064 41943040 4 freebsd-ufs (20G) 56623104 83886080 5 freebsd-ufs (40G) 140509184 2929721286 6 freebsd-ufs (1.4T) 3070230470 1 - free - (512B) The FBSD install overwrote the MBR to boot the BSD partition. Can I [easily] get a duel boot out of this. Or, is there a better way to install FBSD as not to wipe out what's there? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 23:11:09 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1D9C4767F for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:11:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cdptpa-oedge", Issuer "cdptpa-oedge" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E87B764A for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:11:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [76.181.114.47] ([76.181.114.47:55777] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-omsmta01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id B5/FB-12962-A093E285; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:11:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.41] (helo=dell.example.org) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1c7Vpi-0001Fe-0D for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:11:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Yet another boot question To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Baho Utot Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:11:05 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.6:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:11:09 -0000 On 11/17/16 17:45, doug wrote: > My is simpler than booting the "monster" > > I had to replace my workstation. It was supposed to come with windows > 7 that I was going to toss. As it came with 10 I shrunk the windows > partition and installed 10.3. Getting: > > => 63 3907029105 ada0 MBR (1.8T) > 63 1985 - free - (993K) > 2048 204800 1 ntfs (100M) > 206848 833284096 2 ntfs (397G) > 833490944 1 - free - (512B) > 833490945 3070230471 4 freebsd [active] (1.4T) > 3903721416 1769528 - free - (864M) > 3905490944 1536000 3 !39 (750M) > 3907026944 2224 - free - (1.1M) > > => 0 3070230471 ada0s4 BSD (1.4T) > 0 6291456 1 freebsd-ufs (3.0G) > 6291456 8388608 2 freebsd-swap (4.0G) > 14680064 41943040 4 freebsd-ufs (20G) > 56623104 83886080 5 freebsd-ufs (40G) > 140509184 2929721286 6 freebsd-ufs (1.4T) > 3070230470 1 - free - (512B) > > The FBSD install overwrote the MBR to boot the BSD partition. Can I > [easily] get a duel boot out of this. Or, is there a better way to > install FBSD as not to wipe out what's there? > _______________________________________________ Yes, that is what I have now before trying zfs raidz-1 I have Win7 and FreeBSD, I don't know if win10 boots the same as Win7 so can try this it you want to Boot FreeBSD then as root: boot0cfg -B ad0 That will overwrite the boot loader with boot0 then when you reboot you will get a boot menu that has F1 Win F2 Win F3 FreeBSD You can then choose which one you want to boot From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 23:21:08 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03B0C47903 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:21:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-f41.google.com (mail-it0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9468ABCB for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:21:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-f41.google.com with SMTP id j191so3109503ita.1 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 15:21:08 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=V4dPBKqUn2NVcWMZi81QzlXDi3KLif5bb6zc9Pojs2E=; b=EaI4giCfZd5JbtmDoQx4/4JVpgnMBoxU/FyEQ6Pru9wDqbdDOAyYqTq/Qn0WMELp/b qwjqcrAMMQ/pGqrzVhmunsPXojADNgms451Ap4xi/6/fhz4OfjbyB8M30gD1INr6N18u kFpbMX2vSPAiXZVWJVy5Zw0+ldV7b+hgOYTUyAC/8g7hga6dNycTRdMm1wgyPgGfHeiA Yd/6IPqwwP5pROGzqzM107y9OV29MWKI1GlZidFlmtcJ/CX786/YWQtYUQdXWrYyISkn 0YcgXFt/oxR66OjJPzlblc3Pwjbauv4uzXUpqeLcXnPwBr7/Xmv4g/qfjqTt+htrH5nc ZNSQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC033T9Cz3F7s9FAwbaP3/Klo3Y7nIbnlxjEGilZ0Hcmme7ZnTjPguE7gLV0sYEPPfA== X-Received: by 10.107.169.95 with SMTP id s92mr5589561ioe.65.1479424463958; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 15:14:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from WorkBox.homestead.org (174-30-201-142.mpls.qwest.net. [174.30.201.142]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o21sm89792itb.6.2016.11.17.15.14.22 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 17 Nov 2016 15:14:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (WorkBox.homestead.org [local]) by WorkBox.homestead.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id 3089a46e; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:14:23 -0600 (CST) References: <07218d20-34a5-171b-f6a8-de3c271733cc@columbus.rr.com> <575baf45-b23d-163f-79b0-213a6ba51c91@columbus.rr.com> <86eg29x1on.fsf@WorkBox.homestead.org> <33eee98a-dbf4-4376-3cee-d4349b11c985@columbus.rr.com> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 25.1.1 From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: Baho Utot Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ok How do I boot this monster? In-reply-to: <33eee98a-dbf4-4376-3cee-d4349b11c985@columbus.rr.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:14:23 -0600 Message-ID: <86mvgxbsxc.fsf@WorkBox.homestead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:21:08 -0000 Baho Utot writes: > On 11/17/16 15:59, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: >> Baho Utot writes: >> >>> On 11/17/16 14:19, Warren Block wrote: >>>> On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Baho Utot wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can this also boot the raidz? >>>> No, boot0 is MBR-only. The easiest way I see to do this is to install >>>> gptzfsboot bootcode to the ZFS drives and choose one of them from the >>>> BIOS boot menu. Grub can multi-boot GPT also, although it needs a >>>> small partition of its own. >>> I think the bsdinstall puts that code onto the zfs drives already or am >>> I miss informed? >> I believe it should in its unadulterated state. But then you hacked the >> installer, introducing a new variable. >> >>> Would creating the raidz on MBR partitions be an answer? >> It would be *an* answer, but I'm not sure I would consider it *the* >> answer. It would basically place an expiration date on your new install, >> since it would depend on older hardware to keep functioning. A more >> recent motherboard would not be able to read the drives without legacy >> BIOS support, so you might not be able to just transplant the disks into >> a new machine when the time came. >> >> I would recommend just using gpart(8) to install the correct bootcode >> (/boot/gptzfsboot) as Warren suggested. The trouble, though, is >> that---unless I'm mistaken---that bootcode requires a dedicated >> partition. Configuring the system to boot would require 128k partitions >> to be created at the start of each disk to hold the bootcode, and that >> would mean either manually partitioning the drives (which is the typical >> way of installing to a custom ZFS setup) or writing more code into your >> custom bsdinstall. >> > > Don't read too much into the "hacked bsdinstall version", I ain't that > good. All I did was this..... > > from: > f_eval_catch $funcname gpart "$GPART_ADD_LABEL" \ > zfs$index freebsd-zfs $disk || return $FAILURE > to: > f_eval_catch $funcname gpart "$GPART_ADD_LABEL_WITH_SIZE" \ > zfs$index freebsd-zfs 800Gb $disk || return $FAILURE > > The raidz will boot if I pull the other drives and let it boot with just > the 4 zfs raidz drives so I know it will boot. Just have to get it to > play nice with the other systems (win7 and 10.0) and boot. > > I just need to configure out how to make it boot with the other drives. > Hand holding required. Ah, I see. I must have misread something; I thought FreeBSD wasn't booting at all. As you describe it now, it sounds like the motherboard firmware is defaulting to a particular disk and finding the one bootloader. Which is how it always works, but I judging from earlier responses you might be accustomed to GRUB presenting you with a menu to chain-load systems from. If you have a newer motherboard, the board's firmware might have a hotkey tied to a built-in boot menu you can use without the need for GRUB or something similar. In the case of my five-year-old laptop it's F12. -- :: Brandon J. Wandersee :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: -------------------------------------------------- :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 23:35:37 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB8BC47D8E for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:35:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soulofroot55@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22d.google.com (mail-it0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EC8A1335 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:35:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soulofroot55@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id j191so3631090ita.1 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 15:35:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hlnMAynnhrhMAvMxW9AuX6OXyIq9zVMqniuPhxkYNkY=; b=zjVEXtuD6ft082E0GGpg17z7GvRTrCT8BGivExufGuCrQhjxRX07F0vw1fmUyDoP7n XPW2i3PO9TUh3ghrolEH0k66uwCUxMCmXa54yMeDqmLedNjrU3QpAIilkdr6l2tE20yU m4zskWqNF68KxzKTJf6Ssb8LyVKk/kYLWI6lQW8EoMa20KgL69zcbkDvfyvJuEo94MRo 7dgaF3oLwZsoxPdASecsnPnOyeMrxT2u5bG3MfaKPG1XNSOE5hndijsbGs3USj1/9rJK jZX0TgHIbH2k1c0//l1TI7ScooCvQS1Bi/EtQBXSTfReQqaRiUweR5QU7LeJJ62qfG+0 Wp9g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hlnMAynnhrhMAvMxW9AuX6OXyIq9zVMqniuPhxkYNkY=; b=APRHuaWtb9T43nlkVtu516zAk0qhf1WDam6IbqeJG9ciTjgI1urxPTc1SqVWK4eoqF pM8VVoEJZVbsrxWOA0bOmaxYIs5rvsucFqzx7e7iXtcPu7UcfDRV9TeTFbWG0u5M3vA2 4BLKB35EWQNdtmq2dxUebf81gwrxjlWCXxH2jFheQYOMt3L1UMxFeFqsvEkIPRYgc1jC icoDdWFkoHjMxEybzWBNo89kPSc4mfSwqkGyu3XhYiShtKmJjLXo+tQStNr/cqcyDJRl V12K9usJ5KUO1JmWCagYVxHyzQSSWoIg3BQZSuHf4TALKFYXxU3gJo2iWOT5vBE3cZ7K evTA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvdvltxO19GnedCSdO6r329pt34Dqp0BOSPEa8PVszACEk5GdngD+BnZ5DnpgYngqFCcqgnYaPISroHy4Q== X-Received: by 10.36.88.65 with SMTP id f62mr16184055itb.89.1479425736494; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 15:35:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.219.101 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 15:35:36 -0800 (PST) From: SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 20:35:36 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:35:38 -0000 At its Connect(); 2016 developer event in New York City today, Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation. And the company isn=E2=80=99t= joining just to say it did: Microsoft is joining at the Platinum level, the highest level of membership, which costs $500,000 annually. John Gossman, architect on the Microsoft Azure team, will sit on the foundation=E2=80=99s Board of Directors and help underwrite projects. reference: http://venturebeat.com/2016/11/16/microsoft-joins-the-linux-foun= dation-as-a-platinum-member/ Can this be? Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 23:38:20 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8638C47EE2 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:38:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [198.74.231.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A3514D3 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:38:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [198.74.231.63]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3727146C80; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id uAHNcJgg025929; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:38:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id uAHNcJVp025926; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:38:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:38:19 -0500 (EST) From: doug Reply-To: doug@safeport.com To: Baho Utot cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Yet another boot question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:38:20 -0500 (EST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:38:21 -0000 On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Baho Utot wrote: > > On 11/17/16 17:45, doug wrote: >> My is simpler than booting the "monster" >> >> I had to replace my workstation. It was supposed to come with windows 7 >> that I was going to toss. As it came with 10 I shrunk the windows partition >> and installed 10.3. Getting: >> >> => 63 3907029105 ada0 MBR (1.8T) >> 63 1985 - free - (993K) >> 2048 204800 1 ntfs (100M) >> 206848 833284096 2 ntfs (397G) >> 833490944 1 - free - (512B) >> 833490945 3070230471 4 freebsd [active] (1.4T) >> 3903721416 1769528 - free - (864M) >> 3905490944 1536000 3 !39 (750M) >> 3907026944 2224 - free - (1.1M) >> >> => 0 3070230471 ada0s4 BSD (1.4T) >> 0 6291456 1 freebsd-ufs (3.0G) >> 6291456 8388608 2 freebsd-swap (4.0G) >> 14680064 41943040 4 freebsd-ufs (20G) >> 56623104 83886080 5 freebsd-ufs (40G) >> 140509184 2929721286 6 freebsd-ufs (1.4T) >> 3070230470 1 - free - (512B) >> >> The FBSD install overwrote the MBR to boot the BSD partition. Can I >> [easily] get a duel boot out of this. Or, is there a better way to install >> FBSD as not to wipe out what's there? >> _______________________________________________ > > Yes, that is what I have now before trying zfs raidz-1 > > I have Win7 and FreeBSD, I don't know if win10 boots the same as Win7 so > can try this it you want to > > Boot FreeBSD then as root: > > boot0cfg -B ad0 > > That will overwrite the boot loader with boot0 then when you reboot you will > get a boot menu that has > F1 Win > F2 Win > F3 FreeBSD > > You can then choose which one you want to boot Perfect thanks, worked fine. I did not think that command wrote the multiboot mbr. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 17 23:49:46 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09823C473BB for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:49:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD80F1AE0 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:49:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id uAHNneLe020410 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Nov 2016 16:49:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id uAHNneU5020407; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 16:49:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 16:49:40 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Brandon J. Wandersee" cc: Baho Utot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ok How do I boot this monster? In-Reply-To: <86eg29x1on.fsf@WorkBox.homestead.org> Message-ID: References: <07218d20-34a5-171b-f6a8-de3c271733cc@columbus.rr.com> <575baf45-b23d-163f-79b0-213a6ba51c91@columbus.rr.com> <86eg29x1on.fsf@WorkBox.homestead.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.1 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 17 Nov 2016 16:49:40 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:49:46 -0000 On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > I would recommend just using gpart(8) to install the correct bootcode > (/boot/gptzfsboot) as Warren suggested. The trouble, though, is > that---unless I'm mistaken---that bootcode requires a dedicated > partition. It does, but there was a freebsd-boot partition on each of the ZFS disks. 512K, even, so more than large enough for the current version of gptzfsboot. > Configuring the system to boot would require 128k partitions > to be created at the start of each disk to hold the bootcode, and that > would mean either manually partitioning the drives (which is the typical > way of installing to a custom ZFS setup) or writing more code into your > custom bsdinstall. We might have been looking at different disks in that gpart output. Incidentally, while the boot partition is usually first, I'm fairly sure that it does not have to be first and can be in any position. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 00:04:36 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EC2C47D6F for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 00:04:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A96F7A88 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 00:04:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id uAI04V05024205 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:04:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id uAI04ViP024202; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:04:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:04:31 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Baho Utot cc: Mailinglists FreeBSD Subject: Re: Ok How do I boot this monster? In-Reply-To: <575baf45-b23d-163f-79b0-213a6ba51c91@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: References: <07218d20-34a5-171b-f6a8-de3c271733cc@columbus.rr.com> <575baf45-b23d-163f-79b0-213a6ba51c91@columbus.rr.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.1 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:04:32 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 00:04:36 -0000 On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Baho Utot wrote: > > > On 11/17/16 14:19, Warren Block wrote: >> On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Baho Utot wrote: >> >>> Ok I have installed 11.0 latest memstick image. >>> >>> I patched/hacked bsdinstall ( /usr/libexec/bsdinstall/zfsboot) to install >>> my zfs raidz2 using 800GB partitions. And it even worked! >>> >>> Now I need to boot this monster as well as my current 10.0 version until I >>> can build my desktop upon the raidz, then I will decommission the 10.0 >>> version when the 11.0 version is up to snuff. >>> >>> I have boot0 install to ada0 which boots win7 and 10.0 freebsd. >>> >>> Can this also boot the raidz? >> >> No, boot0 is MBR-only. The easiest way I see to do this is to install >> gptzfsboot bootcode to the ZFS drives and choose one of them from the BIOS >> boot menu. Grub can multi-boot GPT also, although it needs a small >> partition of its own. > > I think the bsdinstall puts that code onto the zfs drives already or am I > miss informed? > > Would creating the raidz on MBR partitions be an answer? That might actually work. Too much work, and too much a step backwards for me. > Is there a HowTo that shows me how to setup grub if so I have some space left > on the drives so I can give grub what it needs. If you have any reasonably standard machine from the last decade or so, there is a keypress on boot to choose a boot device. This might have been disabled, but then could be re-enabled. For quality home-builder motherboards like Gigabyte, it's F12. For quality prebuilt systems like Dell, it's usually F12. For HP... it could be pretty much anything. F10, F9, Esc. Anything, really, except F12. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 00:49:41 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFAB6C44784 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 00:49:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com) Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-5.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-5.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351E01BCA for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 00:49:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([81.100.29.190]) by know-smtprelay-5-imp with bizsmtp id 9CoW1u00C466fER01CoWsD; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 00:48:30 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [81.100.29.190] X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.1 cv=HZrpNXw8 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=+He7s6SjlwGdCRwhjLOitA==:117 a=+He7s6SjlwGdCRwhjLOitA==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=L24OOQBejmoA:10 a=NcCA4xrTFpYHyFTXERcA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 4A1A387EDF; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 00:48:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 00:48:30 +0000 From: Ken Moffat To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ok How do I boot this monster? Message-ID: <20161118004830.GA30536@milliways.localdomain> References: <07218d20-34a5-171b-f6a8-de3c271733cc@columbus.rr.com> <575baf45-b23d-163f-79b0-213a6ba51c91@columbus.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 00:49:41 -0000 On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 05:04:31PM -0700, Warren Block wrote: > > If you have any reasonably standard machine from the last decade or so, > there is a keypress on boot to choose a boot device. This might have been > disabled, but then could be re-enabled. For quality home-builder > motherboards like Gigabyte, it's F12. For quality prebuilt systems like > Dell, it's usually F12. > For Asus, F2 seems to be the way to get to the BIOS (or to the UEFI, I suppose), from where you can eventually find a place to choose the boot device. Some of them also have a function key assigned to go to that choice, but I can't remember which key. ĸen -- `I shall take my mountains', said Lu-Tze. `The climate will be good for them.' -- Small Gods From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 01:10:09 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B14C44E33 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 01:10:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cdptpa-oedge", Issuer "cdptpa-oedge" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70C6E7DF for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 01:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [76.181.114.47] ([76.181.114.47:55825] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-omsmta02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id 9F/48-30921-9E45E285; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 01:10:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.41] (helo=dell.example.org) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1c7Xgn-0001IH-9i for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 20:10:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Ok How do I boot this monster? References: <07218d20-34a5-171b-f6a8-de3c271733cc@columbus.rr.com> <575baf45-b23d-163f-79b0-213a6ba51c91@columbus.rr.com> To: Mailinglists FreeBSD From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <222fccf6-f049-601c-02ba-d4d9a92ef176@columbus.rr.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 20:10:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.7:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 01:10:09 -0000 On 11/17/16 19:04, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Baho Utot wrote: > >> >> >> On 11/17/16 14:19, Warren Block wrote: >>> On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Baho Utot wrote: >>> >>>> Ok I have installed 11.0 latest memstick image. >>>> >>>> I patched/hacked bsdinstall ( /usr/libexec/bsdinstall/zfsboot) to >>>> install my zfs raidz2 using 800GB partitions. And it even worked! >>>> >>>> Now I need to boot this monster as well as my current 10.0 version >>>> until I can build my desktop upon the raidz, then I will >>>> decommission the 10.0 version when the 11.0 version is up to snuff. >>>> >>>> I have boot0 install to ada0 which boots win7 and 10.0 freebsd. >>>> >>>> Can this also boot the raidz? >>> >>> No, boot0 is MBR-only. The easiest way I see to do this is to >>> install gptzfsboot bootcode to the ZFS drives and choose one of them >>> from the BIOS boot menu. Grub can multi-boot GPT also, although it >>> needs a small partition of its own. >> >> I think the bsdinstall puts that code onto the zfs drives already or >> am I miss informed? >> >> Would creating the raidz on MBR partitions be an answer? > > That might actually work. Too much work, and too much a step > backwards for me. > >> Is there a HowTo that shows me how to setup grub if so I have some >> space left on the drives so I can give grub what it needs. > > If you have any reasonably standard machine from the last decade or > so, there is a keypress on boot to choose a boot device. This might > have been disabled, but then could be re-enabled. For quality > home-builder motherboards like Gigabyte, it's F12. For quality > prebuilt systems like Dell, it's usually F12. > > For HP... it could be pretty much anything. F10, F9, Esc. Anything, > really, except F12. Does anyone know if ports/sysutils/grub2 works? I found some old posts on the net that is saying that it has some problems building and installing under FreeBSD. It might be a solution for me as I really don't want to do the hit the keyboard at boot thing Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 01:18:28 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03DEC4635E for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 01:18:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cdptpa-oedge", Issuer "cdptpa-oedge" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9767BC73 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 01:18:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [76.181.114.47] ([76.181.114.47:55831] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-omsmta03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id 42/20-04822-2E65E285; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 01:18:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.41] (helo=dell.example.org) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1c7Xov-0001IZ-Tc for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 20:18:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Ok How do I boot this monster? References: <07218d20-34a5-171b-f6a8-de3c271733cc@columbus.rr.com> <575baf45-b23d-163f-79b0-213a6ba51c91@columbus.rr.com> <86eg29x1on.fsf@WorkBox.homestead.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <2dd830e0-88f8-dee1-3947-f656b84e92ee@columbus.rr.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 20:18:25 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.88:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 01:18:28 -0000 On 11/17/16 18:49, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > >> I would recommend just using gpart(8) to install the correct bootcode >> (/boot/gptzfsboot) as Warren suggested. The trouble, though, is >> that---unless I'm mistaken---that bootcode requires a dedicated >> partition. > > It does, but there was a freebsd-boot partition on each of the ZFS > disks. 512K, even, so more than large enough for the current version > of gptzfsboot. bsdinstall put those freebsd-boot partitions there > >> Configuring the system to boot would require 128k partitions >> to be created at the start of each disk to hold the bootcode, and that >> would mean either manually partitioning the drives (which is the typical >> way of installing to a custom ZFS setup) or writing more code into your >> custom bsdinstall. > > We might have been looking at different disks in that gpart output. > Incidentally, while the boot partition is usually first, I'm fairly > sure that it does not have to be first and can be in any position. bsdinstall created all the partitions on the four drives exactly all the same. I tried booting to each of them using the "at boot hit the F8 key" ( which brings up a menu of drives to boot from ) and they all booted to the zfs raid system. There was a message saying something about an lba problem but I don't remember what it said. Yes I am too old to remember and I have CRS ( Can't Remember Shit ). When I reboot the machine ( can't do that now... it's busy ) I will try to write the message down. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 01:49:09 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA59C46B7A for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 01:49:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-f65.google.com (mail-it0-f65.google.com [209.85.214.65]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60451172A for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 01:49:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-f65.google.com with SMTP id o1so1173204ito.1 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:49:09 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=dnDyV/8nokcAV0WqcmB35CchM4n4rOE4kFAFV1ubQtU=; b=QvJ+j2ksha+SpTAGDZ3zEIaD6MTWMoEm0Hd2LUOxJfQYGz1JqUR9mlkpPRa6/BNdzA 2KHtWF7CIqhzBlP95Ch+urx38bjPJv0fGVJLiz6g4JvoEm/cRS/fSLOAtRIwdx1QuAma yyfrRMmL8zPZWZFmK4EDG1BsSF7gGO2SqN77zWlZKQVqqqncLyS9O2tQUpbyzrVk7uAC El29Mg0/ILhI8dBJl2DyfmwM3ukqolDk4SZNuDDXWWaOG/JYXz6xfKvc+k/28l1tgKgF hitXFnhiojZmaqwYAS/4K6pZJJVhDzflZ5ZCOnad/g3E8cpO3K0JJjAUvc5o6nn5ODPL J13Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvctytajE0Qm+m6BxCQQbCKuDmQC8WZJa1HgD2qVhJ2gedXDt0a7jd0PMLQD4q4/QA== X-Received: by 10.36.92.145 with SMTP id q139mr16757684itb.107.1479433748127; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:49:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from WorkBox.homestead.org (174-30-201-142.mpls.qwest.net. [174.30.201.142]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o65sm2283677ioe.15.2016.11.17.17.49.06 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:49:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (WorkBox.homestead.org [local]) by WorkBox.homestead.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id 3a8c87a2; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:49:07 -0600 (CST) References: <07218d20-34a5-171b-f6a8-de3c271733cc@columbus.rr.com> <575baf45-b23d-163f-79b0-213a6ba51c91@columbus.rr.com> <86eg29x1on.fsf@WorkBox.homestead.org> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 25.1.1 From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: Warren Block Cc: "Brandon J. Wandersee" , Baho Utot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ok How do I boot this monster? In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:49:07 -0600 Message-ID: <86lgwhblrg.fsf@WorkBox.homestead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 01:49:09 -0000 Warren Block writes: > On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: >> Configuring the system to boot would require 128k partitions >> to be created at the start of each disk to hold the bootcode, and that >> would mean either manually partitioning the drives (which is the typical >> way of installing to a custom ZFS setup) or writing more code into your >> custom bsdinstall. > > We might have been looking at different disks in that gpart output. > Incidentally, while the boot partition is usually first, I'm fairly sure > that it does not have to be first and can be in any position. I read the thread out of order. Chalk that one up to my own stupidity. -- :: Brandon J. Wandersee :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: -------------------------------------------------- :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 02:10:08 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFBAC47219 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 02:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35C0D130 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 02:10:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id uAI2A27L055731 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:10:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id uAI2A2NC055728; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:10:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:10:02 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Baho Utot cc: Mailinglists FreeBSD Subject: Re: Ok How do I boot this monster? In-Reply-To: <222fccf6-f049-601c-02ba-d4d9a92ef176@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: References: <07218d20-34a5-171b-f6a8-de3c271733cc@columbus.rr.com> <575baf45-b23d-163f-79b0-213a6ba51c91@columbus.rr.com> <222fccf6-f049-601c-02ba-d4d9a92ef176@columbus.rr.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.1 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:10:02 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 02:10:08 -0000 On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Baho Utot wrote: > Does anyone know if ports/sysutils/grub2 works? I found some old posts on > the net that is saying that it has some problems building and installing > under FreeBSD. I have used it to multiboot GPT: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/49055/ > It might be a solution for me as I really don't want to do the hit the > keyboard at boot thing It still requires pressing a key if you don't want the default. The way around this with the BIOS option is to set the most-used option as the first boot device. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 02:24:19 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CFDC47974 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 02:24:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cdptpa-oedge", Issuer "cdptpa-oedge" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5053EBD9 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 02:24:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [76.181.114.47] ([76.181.114.47:55855] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-omsmta01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id 5C/C0-12962-0566E285; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 02:24:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1c7Yqe-0001Jt-Fc for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 21:24:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Ok How do I boot this monster? References: <07218d20-34a5-171b-f6a8-de3c271733cc@columbus.rr.com> <575baf45-b23d-163f-79b0-213a6ba51c91@columbus.rr.com> <222fccf6-f049-601c-02ba-d4d9a92ef176@columbus.rr.com> To: Mailinglists FreeBSD From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <16e37823-fea5-20d9-2b60-9c5b73e977a6@columbus.rr.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 21:24:16 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.6:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 02:24:19 -0000 On 11/17/16 21:10, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Baho Utot wrote: > >> Does anyone know if ports/sysutils/grub2 works? I found some old >> posts on the net that is saying that it has some problems building >> and installing under FreeBSD. > > I have used it to multiboot GPT: > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/49055/ > >> It might be a solution for me as I really don't want to do the hit >> the keyboard at boot thing > > It still requires pressing a key if you don't want the default. The > way around this with the BIOS option is to set the most-used option as > the first boot device. Well that's true, I guess it won't be too bad a solution if I put Freebsd raidz as the first boot option in BIOS and then use the keyboard F8 boot menu, Gigabyte MB FX I forget which one exactly will give me a menu of drives to boot from, then I can boot to Win7 and play my Starcraft II, Warcraft III from there. I guess it would be the same as choosing an entry from Grub2. Time for bed... I'll look at this some more in the mornin From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 09:38:46 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23751C46FAA for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:38:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [78.47.239.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E318524F for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:38:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA9D4DA409 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:38:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id en13p0bGcymB for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:38:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.27.4.215] (unknown [87.79.34.228]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9BF214DA408 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:38:42 +0100 (CET) To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" Subject: how long does a make buildworld normally take? Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:38:45 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:38:46 -0000 how long does a make buildworld normally take? Has make buildworld time constant over the years? In 1995 "make world" on a Pentium Pro about 18 hours On my 4GB, CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ (1995.64-MHz 686-class CPU) make buildworld took about 18 hours. Well that CPU isn't the latest either (10 Years or so) Reminds me of a joke, saying that all bycycles weight the same (10lbs). Light carbon fiber bike 3lbs. need 7 lbs. lock Heavy steel bike 7lbs. need 3 lbs. lock As hardware grew faster over the years, software exploded the same way and eats up resources. Anyway, how could one speed up the make buildworld process? Parallelizing (make -j 8 or sth.)? I will try next on my 16GB notebook with i7-4720 (8core) CPU 1TB SSD and see what it gives. -- Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 09:39:19 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A70C4803E for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:39:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ostor@t-online.de) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A31335 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:39:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ostor@t-online.de) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 5201CC4803C; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AE7C4803B for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:39:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ostor@t-online.de) Received: from mailout09.t-online.de (mailout09.t-online.de [194.25.134.84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailout00.t-online.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8CF0334 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:39:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ostor@t-online.de) Received: from fwd01.aul.t-online.de (fwd01.aul.t-online.de [172.20.27.147]) by mailout09.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 3FE07425A3F8 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:39:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from [209.222.108.74] (SIMJeqZXohkVdyRFpoSQRImtbPnw2ENWxG+lrUT+hUSUtrspm9fohbk13+Hl0iaQ+O@[209.222.108.74]) by fwd01.t-online.de with (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) esmtp id 1c7fdW-0oy63E0; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:39:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: questions@freebsd.org sorry your message bounced back ! 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[2001:8b0:fe33::10]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f3sm2565065wmf.10.2016.11.18.02.17.54 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 18 Nov 2016 02:17:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:17:52 +0000 From: Matt Smith To: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: how long does a make buildworld normally take? Message-ID: <20161118101752.GA39102@gmail.com> Mail-Followup-To: Matt Smith , "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:17:57 -0000 On Nov 18 10:38, Christoph P.U. Kukulies wrote: >how long does a make buildworld normally take? >Has make buildworld time constant over the years? > > >In 1995 "make world" on a Pentium Pro about 18 hours >On my 4GB, CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ >(1995.64-MHz 686-class CPU) >make buildworld took about 18 hours. Well that CPU isn't the latest >either (10 Years or so) > 18 hours?! On my current home-server which is an Intel Atom D525 1.8ghz it only takes 5 hours. And these are not known for being fast at all. In 1996 ish I was doing it on something like a pentium 75 and I think it still took about 5 hours. So you're right there! 18 hours seems way too long though. These days it compiles things like clang which take a very long time. -- Matt From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 10:32:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40CA1C48E57 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:32:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09DDE328 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:32:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-250-109.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.250.109]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECB753CECA for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:32:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id uAIAWOT2002045 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:32:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:32:24 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Message-Id: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:32:35 -0000 On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 20:35:36 -0300, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: > Can this be? Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? They are prividing a certain sum of money, and that amount makes them a platinum member, not more, not less. Basically anoyone who donates $500,000 annually can be a platinum member of The Linux Foundation. In case of MICROS~1, this is probably an attempt to re-gain "developers' share", a facet of "the new MICROS~1" thathopes people forget security nightmares, forced updates, patent extortion and vendor lock-in... but who really knows what happens inside MICROS~1... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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From: Olaoluwa Omokanwaiye X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14B100) In-Reply-To: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:38:17 +0100 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <24FA45F2-55B6-4225-A14F-EF698CD7C29B@gmail.com> References: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:38:31 -0000 My thoughts: It seems to me rather that a prediction made by my boss some years back is c= oming to pass - that in the near future, which is now, closed source and ope= n source will merge with the closed source guys recognizing the importance a= nd power of open source community and finally bowing rather than arguing ...= " remember that a man with an argument is at the mercy of man with an exper= ience. Also remember that MSoft has a new CEO, a younger generation with a new way o= f thinking. A paradigm shift who know and believe that open source is not wo= rth fighting but joining. Whatever the motive, the community is too big to i= nfect but add to. Warm regards=20 Ola Sent from my iPhone > On 18 Nov 2016, at 11:32 AM, Polytropon wrote: >=20 >> On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 20:35:36 -0300, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: >> Can this be? Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? >=20 > They are prividing a certain sum of money, and that amount > makes them a platinum member, not more, not less. Basically > anoyone who donates $500,000 annually can be a platinum member > of The Linux Foundation. In case of MICROS~1, this is probably > an attempt to re-gain "developers' share", a facet of "the > new MICROS~1" thathopes people forget security nightmares, > forced updates, patent extortion and vendor lock-in... but > who really knows what happens inside MICROS~1... ;-) >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 10:51:31 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9EFC48584 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:51:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luciano@vespaperitivo.it) Received: from baobab.bilink.net (baobab.bilink.net [212.45.144.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3BE61286 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:51:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luciano@vespaperitivo.it) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baobab.bilink.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3tKvmR4BtNz1cXL7 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:45:59 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mcs.it Received: from baobab.bilink.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (baobab.mcs.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 11027) with ESMTP id Ixd19wYLhACO for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:45:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.mcs.it (hermes.mcs.it [192.168.132.21]) by baobab.bilink.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3tKvmR3WJ4z1cXL4 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:45:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from mordeus (unknown [192.168.45.6]) by hermes.mcs.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D141B7515 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:45:49 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:45:49 +0100 From: Luciano Mannucci To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) X-Face: 4qPv4GNcD; h<7Q/sK>+GqF4=CR@KmnPkSmwd+#%\F`4yjKO3"C]p'z=(oWRnsYBQGM\5g:4skqQY0NnV'dM:Mm:^/_+I@a"; [-s=ogufdF"9ggQ'=y MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3tKvmR3WJ4z1cXL4@baobab.bilink.it> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:51:32 -0000 On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 20:35:36 -0300 SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: > Can this be? Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Well, totally predictable, IMHO... Thanks to systemd linux is becoming complex and almost unusable (at least as unusable as Windows :). That's why I'm switching everything to FreeBSD... :) :) :) Cheers, Luciano. -- /"\ /Via A. Salaino, 7 - 20144 Milano (Italy) \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN / PHONE : +39 2 485781 FAX: +39 2 48578250 X AGAINST HTML MAIL / E-MAIL: posthamster@sublink.sublink.ORG / \ AND POSTINGS / WWW: http://www.lesassaie.IT/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 10:58:05 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86398C48862 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2902115C8 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:58:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-250-109.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.250.109]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 779F93CE63; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:58:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id uAIAw12M002148; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:58:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:58:01 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Matt Smith Cc: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: how long does a make buildworld normally take? Message-Id: <20161118115801.4ef94f0d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20161118101752.GA39102@gmail.com> References: <20161118101752.GA39102@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:58:05 -0000 On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:17:52 +0000, Matt Smith wrote: > On Nov 18 10:38, Christoph P.U. Kukulies wrote: > >how long does a make buildworld normally take? > >Has make buildworld time constant over the years? > > > > > >In 1995 "make world" on a Pentium Pro about 18 hours > >On my 4GB, CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ > >(1995.64-MHz 686-class CPU) > >make buildworld took about 18 hours. Well that CPU isn't the latest > >either (10 Years or so) > > > > 18 hours?! On my current home-server which is an Intel Atom D525 1.8ghz > it only takes 5 hours. And these are not known for being fast at all. Allow me to quote from a message I wrote in 2008, in order to illustrate technical progress by collectingg several build times for different world and kernel configurations. FreeBSD 5 on Pentium 4 with 2 GHz and 1 GB RAM: b.world+b.kern: 17494.415u 2562.134s 5:46:42.25 96.4% (with CFLAGS) 17474.169u 2481.368s 5:46:30.40 95.9% (without CLFAGS) 5608.712u 1595.130s 2:13:18.67 90.0% 6382.185u 1788.433s 2:26:36.06 92.8% buildworld: 5086.993u 1431.086s 1:58:16.33 91.8% 11457.047u 2151.158s 3:54:15.31 96.8% buildkernel 2326.380u 234.457s 43:42.15 97.6% 1102.491u 278.194s 25:18.58 90.9% 1182.203u 294.622s 26:12.71 93.9% 1518.402u 310.741s 34:16.96 88.9% 3289.368u 529.669s 1:05:25.90 97.2% installkernel: 5.718u 6.898s 0:30.97 40.6% 6.655u 7.389s 0:32.08 43.7% 6.994u 7.734s 0:33.19 44.3% (...software advance happens here...) FreeBSD 7 on Pentium 4 with 2 GHz and 1 GB RAM: b.world+b.kern: 16574.070u 2516.128s 6:06:03.90 86.9% (with debug) 18232.967u 2427.404s 7:19:49.24 78.2% (with debug) 18992.839u 2569.146s 9:12:00.28 65.1% buildworld: 11457.047u 2151.158s 3:54:15.31 96.8% buildkernel: 3289.368u 529.669s 1:05:25.90 97.2% 3503.732u 524.399s 1:11:05.53 94.4% 4032.019u 572.636s 1:58:29.08 64.7% (with debug) installkernel: 17.396u 12.587s 0:46.89 63.9% 18.890u 12.131s 1:11.85 43.1% As you can see, 5 hours was a possible value on a single-core single-threat slow-as-ass CPU. But then the system became more advanced, and 7 - 9 hours compile time became possible. :-) > In > 1996 ish I was doing it on something like a pentium 75 and I think it > still took about 5 hours. So you're right there! 18 hours seems way too > long though. On my first FreeBSD machine, compiling world and kernel needed approx. 24 hours. The kernel itself could be rebuilt in more or less 6 hours. Today we have loadable modules. :-) > These days it compiles things like clang which take a very long time. But it also introduces optimization which the "old compilers" did not provide, so by investing more build time, you get a better runtime experience (programs run faster). Especially on limited hardware, this is worth considering (like in ye olde days setting several "strange" CFLAGS to make mplayer perform better). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 11:35:47 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4529FC4701F for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:35:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm31-vm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm31-vm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.88]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B97F4AD1 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:35:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1479468762; bh=WhyOh1EXPjctinHViAID/j3h3jLGLbRGFQO9vQ5lUww=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=byHHNL8RAcGhZWfewUg/G0HUSBny4ONVaNgMcsEl74vDaSeXAXVrCRncnE93RWIlDBKKWjYBC8rmqG4mPIOH5YatO0ktRhkWVybnmv3yuCHWzW+vNB78K8GiPzu7nxpl7ZjF3coxoh2+5m/2+PKrTvbeEKGR3exp9hXRK3wD3cpoB/a63yR7BUL2wWpdR5FRjZ/AByhqPjwy10yAX/KTCa5NM1eA6Igoj0sHRATWN562lGAOCBg5+qhsCJKUoZ8o4633ajcyLqq+MsOB8o6fRjElo0/rgBelzEA4LSd+tSfsHSvCd2YEOiDl+5Yzf1O/1BS2SOoPvAfYZob+HTtYYg== Received: from [212.82.98.61] by nm31.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 11:32:42 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.88] by tm14.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 11:32:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp125.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 11:32:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 484762.24946.bm@smtp125.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: uPsP0d4VM1kCoKZ_ANXsE50W.lLZKeIHDI246jRcbvSysdI 78na6_Os5ye.SIND7T31NYLzDvwy_CLbUSDe7fSXqbAlVh_mWmtU4MMqTQ39 VfKzcrNDtm3xwllNHGdT5JRX5qPZFkHkfH3P2OWY5qHnkU_e305SPuGLTCr7 lbEIuCYzrz2nNpXfX.Gfchgxn3az_PhKH3Y0k6Y3FxUVKBxLV4iFoReCPTfe BZKbnkDLFsFllzY_EbhGri1QQiu5HdkmLkCNuu88eoKjxOT0L.S9f0rYlEH0 hExk9V8V2kRv9Om.Rj7puKgcJUMwACtmpwC90anv42z5qiKmqxJRTx_EZFZr f5YvnRCXisFbIJVWuJ5bt6sSMnovzCiBomd.SNiUO.1eHKCHf_g6xhaQuCKE .FAbJcIpJ3V1zv9HxDkAHXLOB1PMNXl.QQjBhcIwczg57h0atLFu98_hlTaX ZA9JxpxecP1ttPQkzbBn31kxy_zYZEBptGm.KwjXsEGfLhS3tifEuJzkZANt 5PY6K_rob5vD9VrMzs06JIaH0y9dtmfFQQwDXpEBrXQwtQEpk_z48 X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:32:41 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Message-ID: <20161118123241.38b352df@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <3tKvmR3WJ4z1cXL4@baobab.bilink.it> References: <3tKvmR3WJ4z1cXL4@baobab.bilink.it> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-13-g860ccbc (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:35:47 -0000 On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:45:49 +0100, Luciano Mannucci wrote: >Thanks to systemd linux is becoming complex and almost unusable (at >least as unusable as Windows :). I'm not an advocate of systemd, but you claims are ridiculous. Indeed, systemd could do more than an init system should do, but you aren't forced to use it, for more than an init system should do, let alone that systemd introduced some useful things, such as systemd-nspawn, that for a lot of desires, is much better than chroot. You could call binary log files idiotic, but even this is not really an issue, e.g. just replace "cat" with "strings". The old sysvinit approach needed improvement or to be replaced. Systemd might not be the best choice, but it doesn't make Linux more complex or almost unusable. For example, you could continue using fstab, you aren't forced to drop it. Depending on what you want to archive, there are good reasons to prefer FreeBSD over Linux or vice versa, but systemd for sure doesn't change Linux in a way, that migrating to FreeBSD makes sense, if Linux was the right choice without systemd. Apart from this, the comparison with Windows only shows, that you don't know what you are talking about. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 11:44:20 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18179C47358 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:44:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD3E8F0C for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:44:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from zero-gravitas.local (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8613F2FD0 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/8613F2FD0; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:44:07 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lh7PDnIq42eBWcG6gXSLbWuiHrt5OKueM" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOTS_OF_MONEY, RDNS_NONE,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:44:20 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --lh7PDnIq42eBWcG6gXSLbWuiHrt5OKueM Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="4fVlqoNOtQLqOAAVgqKWgMKO8wcFL5rcT"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? References: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> --4fVlqoNOtQLqOAAVgqKWgMKO8wcFL5rcT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016/11/18 10:32, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 20:35:36 -0300, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: >> Can this be? Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? >=20 > They are prividing a certain sum of money, and that amount > makes them a platinum member, not more, not less. Basically > anoyone who donates $500,000 annually can be a platinum member > of The Linux Foundation. In case of MICROS~1, this is probably > an attempt to re-gain "developers' share", a facet of "the > new MICROS~1" thathopes people forget security nightmares, > forced updates, patent extortion and vendor lock-in... but > who really knows what happens inside MICROS~1... ;-) Actually, Microsoft's motivation here is Microsoft Azure -- they've spend a huge amount of money on datacentres and servers and all the other infrastructure required for setting up a global cloud presence, and now they are very keen to encourage lots of people to use it (and pay them money for the privilege, of course.) Since their principle target market is the Enterprise, and they aim to be able to migrate just about any Enterprise computing system from dedicated hardware to their cloud, that means they need to support just about all of the different OSes that a variety of different Enterprise setups could be using. So they now support a lot of OpenSource OSes. Which includes both FreeBSD 10.x and pfsense by the way -- as well as all the usual Linux suspects. Oh, and when I say 'support' that means that you can phone up Microsoft about your FreeBSD or pfsense related problems on your Azure VMs, and Microsoft are contractually obliged to help you out. They did a presentation about all this at the last BSDCan. Plus there are two FreeBSD src committers who work for Microsoft, and who are doing a lot of work making sure the Hyper-V drivers etc. are all working and performant. There have been reports of a FreeBSD VM on azure achieving 37 Gb/s on 40 Gb/s hardware for instance. Microsoft in its aspect as the global cloud computing company is really quite different from Microsoft in its aspect as the PC desktop operating system company. 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Message-Id: <20161118120740.cbaf9f31a85b2b19211f5d82@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> References: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:23:32 -0000 On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:44:07 +0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > Microsoft in its aspect as the global cloud computing company is really > quite different from Microsoft in its aspect as the PC desktop operating > system company. Yes instead of trying to ensure that every computer you can buy runs Windows, that every corporate email system runs on Exchange etc. and everybody has to pay to stay up to date, they want to ensure that as much of your data as possible lives on their servers so you have to keep paying to get at it with rented applications. 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Thread-Index: AQHSQZobsUBlms+kEESrU+B18bzAGA== Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:48:48 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: freebsd.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;freebsd.org; dmarc=none action=none header.from=hotmail.com; x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:; UpperCasedChecksum:; SizeAsReceived:7361; Count:37 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-incomingheadercount: 37 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; AM5EUR03HT134; 7:Upg3BrzqcKGKKfCzS6kQ9C8xdt9bAllzGpnqRmx0zwIP6eJ0Qs4OFgzMh5tQXadGXQKw4opTK9mAXW4vGKH6Ik5M43FccUt85ykjc348OgENMv6B0csBq0O5n0KJL5cU4QyKQqQZorbqjT5f3UiNS6mH+a7grbW+R2bm6jf7AHELdVuGnF/QRSUFmE9vtOEkyzFxsTFpAbFoaMwIWrEiOSHW6drGknr0TqR/2V0rZxI7/7sIH51iZL5Vrq2sld2yv88NT5PUbB8GRfh4MqxXYYIk4RU6RvY44pQXcY8cBf1YSd+3TOyj5OpEngScUxkQF+X6jd/2RTg68HPGiqt46Yf0Yqn8Ri6p2T+dAOI3ua0= x-forefront-antispam-report: EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(98900003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:AM5EUR03HT134; H:VI1PR02MB0974.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 1b2a9575-be74-429a-aa85-08d40fb13cf4 x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(22001)(1601124038)(1603103113)(1601125047); SRVR:AM5EUR03HT134; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(82015046); SRVR:AM5EUR03HT134; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:AM5EUR03HT134; x-forefront-prvs: 01304918F3 spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hotmail.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 18 Nov 2016 12:48:48.6929 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM5EUR03HT134 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2016 12:48:54.0271 (UTC) FILETIME=[1EAED8F0:01D2419A] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:50:00 -0000 On 11/18/16 17:30, freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org wrote: > Depending on what you want to archive, there are good reasons to prefer > FreeBSD over Linux or vice versa, but systemd for sure doesn't change > Linux in a way, that migrating to FreeBSD makes sense, if Linux was the > right choice without systemd No personal offence intended, but let me tell you a thing about Linux=20 and all the crap that keeps cropping up in that world. Ever since this=20 beautiful thing systemd popped up, I have tried 2 Linux distros for my=20 second box - OpenSuse 42.1 and K Ubuntu 16.10. On OpenSuse, my printer=20 does not work, and under Ubuntu, my APC UPS does not work. Repeated=20 messages to help forums produced no response whatever. If my basic=20 hardware does not work, what was the point of a new thing called systemsd ? This is not just systemd - it is simply too much, way too much choice=20 and no maturity/stability in every thing Linux does. One day they call=20 it eth0, the next they start calling it enp3s0. One day man, the next=20 info. One day they use ext2, the next ext3, the next ext4, and the next=20 btrfs and the next ... God knows. Nobody has good explanations, just=20 fancy ideas when new flux is introduced. When there is so much=20 turbulence at the core, the world will collapse. What killed Unix was, besides the inexorable sums of money AT&T wanted,=20 the unforgiving inclination to create a new distro whenever somebody had=20 learnt the basics of Unix. That endemic has turned to epidemic now that=20 Unix is Open Source Linux. Linux can't ever do the basic things of=20 standardization and documentation at the core level. For hardware that works under FreeBSD, there really is no better choice=20 than to stick to FreeBSD. You could waste some money getting the right=20 hardware, but you have long term peace. Try that under Windows or Linux. 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Message-ID: <20161118140210.35df746a@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20161118120740.cbaf9f31a85b2b19211f5d82@sohara.org> References: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> <20161118120740.cbaf9f31a85b2b19211f5d82@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-13-g860ccbc (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:02:19 -0000 On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:07:40 +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:44:07 +0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > >> Microsoft in its aspect as the global cloud computing company is >> really quite different from Microsoft in its aspect as the PC >> desktop operating system company. > > Yes instead of trying to ensure that every computer you can buy >runs Windows, that every corporate email system runs on Exchange etc. >and everybody has to pay to stay up to date, they want to ensure that >as much of your data as possible lives on their servers so you have to >keep paying to get at it with rented applications. It's still a >lock-in strategy. I'm still less an advocate for Windows or clouds, than already not an advocate for systemd. However, why should a company provide something for free as in beer to other companies, who will use the service to make money? You dislike Microsoft? So do I. I dislike this company for several reasons, but I wouldn't blame them for a valid business model. They need to provide customer support to those who pay for their cloud service. To ensure that issues aren't caused by third party software, part of the service is software. Isn't it good, if they try to provide this software for different operating systems? Customer connectivity is done by reliability. Most customers aren't idealists, they want something commercial doing its job. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 13:03:49 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C276C48D00 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:03:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eduardo.lemosdesa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22b.google.com (mail-it0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41A77185 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:03:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eduardo.lemosdesa@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id y23so29733738itc.0 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 05:03:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=6aB1DqSx4cC8XhRgoirsQsAehWH8qxfotEqHtNr3H/4=; b=RSPQbjn3SuxaV013Ht21D+njzqhmg9/G9rmm2z7lkRr5BJKuFPJf5vsGJnkSPZkVWX K9S/1zkbygGDLTvTtT1u6bT7pP8Y+dVX6wphiUQZNdgpO8CsQZ+rLVsBz5iVRPYGVd1J OvIjMkqJhvPfTgCC4zJ6YdwTvCcUOuzn7KhgRwUiD2Vvnmqz4+oforpSZKw4v5Y46sOb WJl9I4ORPQqyitu3Vq9yymfOnhWEiSom2Ort4UaR8CvXe74edKwbgOA+0QDPsaVEA04E 0EblOwu3RMI+tklUvWWUsYABSlNlb+Qteu6Al6n2QlMGe43e/O8+H2BWzfITY+5/ufw8 PoBg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=6aB1DqSx4cC8XhRgoirsQsAehWH8qxfotEqHtNr3H/4=; b=BM94L//a+wJSoY/mGY3ZpEgrvqgzA8qZfXAW3jEgqjWI+oYLtKNAkn2H6myNADjNl6 /LTWriCQ92nMuaEdcw46OdC03fwoTuTz1E83erR3zDWD+2uf4MJPppf2oRqNFPHGXJ5u LutC/WLaiS3fcgcGRi/cF2/RJYeoqdX6ieaPukSf7jT3Wi/4OwmdzJZT5Cqjnuz+OgNc t9o+YYU0jyx3j3ij50ThNFmcCj45DzqE5aJd4LaGh2ax2n+gK5OmcXjO3WFwcbAKsTvg PXjNgg9CLOkZAfscn0uCaEpCIdV3p6E9lVGbEMPDdO0nXD3hUQUQQp5TH6dgRTRYqQQd eBMg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC03ZFXgmE+SbSaNRsRydWQck4bJZ79MtWQZAdOW95wtHHF+dZQuFX2cO1v5v+cupGBYXZgXLX9XsdKPtig== X-Received: by 10.107.134.26 with SMTP id i26mr8220847iod.182.1479474228318; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 05:03:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.32.4 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 05:03:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20161118115801.4ef94f0d.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20161118101752.GA39102@gmail.com> <20161118115801.4ef94f0d.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Eduardo Lemos de Sa Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:03:47 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how long does a make buildworld normally take? To: Polytropon Cc: Matt Smith , "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:03:49 -0000 Dear On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:17:52 +0000, Matt Smith wrote: > > On Nov 18 10:38, Christoph P.U. Kukulies wrote: > > >how long does a make buildworld normally take? > > >Has make buildworld time constant over the years? > > > > > > > > >In 1995 "make world" on a Pentium Pro about 18 hours > > >On my 4GB, CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ > > >(1995.64-MHz 686-class CPU) > > >make buildworld took about 18 hours. Well that CPU isn't the latest > > >either (10 Years or so) > > > > > > > 18 hours?! On my current home-server which is an Intel Atom D525 1.8ghz > > it only takes 5 hours. And these are not known for being fast at all. > > Allow me to quote from a message I wrote in 2008, in order to > illustrate technical progress by collectingg several build times > for different world and kernel configurations. > > FreeBSD 5 on Pentium 4 with 2 GHz and 1 GB RAM: > > b.world+b.kern: 17494.415u 2562.134s 5:46:42.25 96.4% (with CFLAGS) > 17474.169u 2481.368s 5:46:30.40 95.9% (without CLFAGS) > 5608.712u 1595.130s 2:13:18.67 90.0% > 6382.185u 1788.433s 2:26:36.06 92.8% > buildworld: 5086.993u 1431.086s 1:58:16.33 91.8% > 11457.047u 2151.158s 3:54:15.31 96.8% > buildkernel 2326.380u 234.457s 43:42.15 97.6% > 1102.491u 278.194s 25:18.58 90.9% > 1182.203u 294.622s 26:12.71 93.9% > 1518.402u 310.741s 34:16.96 88.9% > 3289.368u 529.669s 1:05:25.90 97.2% > installkernel: 5.718u 6.898s 0:30.97 40.6% > 6.655u 7.389s 0:32.08 43.7% > 6.994u 7.734s 0:33.19 44.3% > > (...software advance happens here...) > > FreeBSD 7 on Pentium 4 with 2 GHz and 1 GB RAM: > > b.world+b.kern: 16574.070u 2516.128s 6:06:03.90 86.9% (with debug) > 18232.967u 2427.404s 7:19:49.24 78.2% (with debug) > 18992.839u 2569.146s 9:12:00.28 65.1% > buildworld: 11457.047u 2151.158s 3:54:15.31 96.8% > buildkernel: 3289.368u 529.669s 1:05:25.90 97.2% > 3503.732u 524.399s 1:11:05.53 94.4% > 4032.019u 572.636s 1:58:29.08 64.7% (with debug) > installkernel: 17.396u 12.587s 0:46.89 63.9% > 18.890u 12.131s 1:11.85 43.1% > > As you can see, 5 hours was a possible value on a single-core > single-threat slow-as-ass CPU. But then the system became more > advanced, and 7 - 9 hours compile time became possible. :-) > > > > > In > > 1996 ish I was doing it on something like a pentium 75 and I think it > > still took about 5 hours. So you're right there! 18 hours seems way too > > long though. > > On my first FreeBSD machine, compiling world and kernel needed > approx. 24 hours. The kernel itself could be rebuilt in more or > less 6 hours. Today we have loadable modules. :-) > > > > > These days it compiles things like clang which take a very long time. > > But it also introduces optimization which the "old compilers" did > not provide, so by investing more build time, you get a better > runtime experience (programs run faster). Especially on limited > hardware, this is worth considering (like in ye olde days setting > several "strange" CFLAGS to make mplayer perform better). > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I found strange to spend 18, or even, 5 hours to finish a make buildworld. My desktop is certainly the faster for standart machines: hw.machine: amd64 hw.model: AMD FX(tm)-8320 Eight-Core Processor hw.ncpu: 8 hw.machine_arch: amd64 with 16 GB Ram (1333 MHz) and spend less than 2 hours: -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> World build started on Wed Nov 16 17:23:35 BRST 2016 -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> World build completed on Wed Nov 16 19:07:33 BRST 2016 -------------------------------------------------------------- It is a FreeBSD-10.3-release, with a single processor (no parallel) I suggest you to check your procedure or even possible problems with your hard disk. My best wishes Eduardo --=20 Eduardo Lemos de Sa Associated Professor Level 4 Dep. Quimica da Universidade Federal do Paran=C3=A1 fone: +55(41)3361-3300 fax: +55(41)3361-3186 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 13:26:50 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26836C454EF for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:26:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1E501318 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:26:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-250-109.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.250.109]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC1F83CE67; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:26:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id uAIDQkGI002852; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:26:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:26:46 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Eduardo Lemos de Sa Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: how long does a make buildworld normally take? Message-Id: <20161118142646.8f7990a6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20161118101752.GA39102@gmail.com> <20161118115801.4ef94f0d.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:26:50 -0000 On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:03:47 -0200, Eduardo Lemos de Sa wrote: > My desktop is certainly the faster for standart machines: > > hw.machine: amd64 > hw.model: AMD FX(tm)-8320 Eight-Core Processor > hw.ncpu: 8 > hw.machine_arch: amd64 > > with 16 GB Ram (1333 MHz) > > and spend less than 2 hours: > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> World build started on Wed Nov 16 17:23:35 BRST 2016 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> World build completed on Wed Nov 16 19:07:33 BRST 2016 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > It is a FreeBSD-10.3-release, with a single processor (no parallel) That sounds possible, given the computing power mentioned, especially when the resources can be used fully by the build process (no significant load from other system activities or services). > I suggest you to check your procedure or even possible problems with your > hard disk. The data I presented is _historical_ data from FreeBSD versions and processors that do not exist anymore. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:35:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.22.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:35:44 -0000 On Fri, 2016-11-18 at 12:48 +0000, Manish Jain wrote: > On 11/18/16 17:30, freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org wrote: > > Depending on what you want to archive, there are good reasons to prefer > > FreeBSD over Linux or vice versa, but systemd for sure doesn't change > > Linux in a way, that migrating to FreeBSD makes sense, if Linux was the > > right choice without systemd > > > No personal offence intended, but let me tell you a thing about Linux > and all the crap that keeps cropping up in that world. Ever since this > beautiful thing systemd popped up, I have tried 2 Linux distros for my > second box - OpenSuse 42.1 and K Ubuntu 16.10. On OpenSuse, my printer > does not work, and under Ubuntu, my APC UPS does not work. Repeated > messages to help forums produced no response whatever. If my basic > hardware does not work, what was the point of a new thing called systemsd ? You are comparing Linux distros for another target than FreeBSD with FreeBSD. > This is not just systemd - it is simply too much, way too much choice > and no maturity/stability in every thing Linux does. One day they call > it eth0, the next they start calling it enp3s0. You shouldn't stay with kernel names, because the new name scheme has the advantage, that it provides consistent names on many hardware. I dislike the names, too, but the improvement is good, that said on my hardware the names are still not consistent. However, udev is just some software with pros and cons. > One day man, the next info. One day they use ext2, the next ext3, the next ext4, > and the next btrfs and the next ... God knows. Nobody has good explanations, just > fancy ideas when new flux is introduced. When there is so much turbulence at the > core, the world will collapse. How is they? You could chose what ever FS you want. File systems are available for other operating systems, too. > What killed Unix was, besides the inexorable sums of money AT&T wanted, > the unforgiving inclination to create a new distro whenever somebody had > learnt the basics of Unix. That endemic has turned to epidemic now that > Unix is Open Source Linux. Linux can't ever do the basic things of > standardization and documentation at the core level. Linux is neither Unix, even not Posix. However, you could write portable scripts, by e.g. not using bashisms. Linux follows standards and the documentation is superb, as it is for FreeBSD, too. > For hardware that works under FreeBSD, there really is no better choice > than to stick to FreeBSD. You could waste some money getting the right > hardware, but you have long term peace. Try that under Windows or Linux. Using hardware with Windows for sure is easier, than using hardware with FreeBSD or Linux. An exception might be that Windows dropped 32bit architecture, but apart from this, you more likely will experience issues with FreeBSD or Linux, than with Windows. Anyway, which operating system is the best for your domain depends on many variables. FreeBSD isn't usable in all domains. 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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 05:53:54 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how long does a make buildworld normally take? To: Questions at FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:53:57 -0000 Using ccache and setting the jobs at 2 gets it to about an hour on my old amd am2 dual core. Brian On Nov 18, 2016 5:26 AM, "Polytropon" wrote: > On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:03:47 -0200, Eduardo Lemos de Sa wrote: > > My desktop is certainly the faster for standart machines: > > > > hw.machine: amd64 > > hw.model: AMD FX(tm)-8320 Eight-Core Processor > > hw.ncpu: 8 > > hw.machine_arch: amd64 > > > > with 16 GB Ram (1333 MHz) > > > > and spend less than 2 hours: > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> World build started on Wed Nov 16 17:23:35 BRST 2016 > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> World build completed on Wed Nov 16 19:07:33 BRST 2016 > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > It is a FreeBSD-10.3-release, with a single processor (no parallel) > > That sounds possible, given the computing power mentioned, > especially when the resources can be used fully by the > build process (no significant load from other system > activities or services). > > > > > I suggest you to check your procedure or even possible problems with your > > hard disk. > > The data I presented is _historical_ data from FreeBSD versions > and processors that do not exist anymore. :-) > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 13:59:11 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD87C481ED for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:59:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BB77A1B for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.88) (envelope-from ) id 1c7jh1-0000Kw-MA; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 06:59:03 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 06:59:03 -0700 From: The Doctor To: Luciano Mannucci Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Message-ID: <20161118135903.GA92635@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: <3tKvmR3WJ4z1cXL4@baobab.bilink.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3tKvmR3WJ4z1cXL4@baobab.bilink.it> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:59:11 -0000 On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 11:45:49AM +0100, Luciano Mannucci wrote: > On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 20:35:36 -0300 > SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: > > > Can this be? Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? > Well, totally predictable, IMHO... > Thanks to systemd linux is becoming complex and almost unusable (at > least as unusable as Windows :). > That's why I'm switching everything to FreeBSD... :) :) :) > Hence my view LinSucks the Microsoft of Unixes. > Cheers, > > Luciano. > -- > /"\ /Via A. Salaino, 7 - 20144 Milano (Italy) > \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN / PHONE : +39 2 485781 FAX: +39 2 48578250 > X AGAINST HTML MAIL / E-MAIL: posthamster@sublink.sublink.ORG > / \ AND POSTINGS / WWW: http://www.lesassaie.IT/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca God,Queen and country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! http://www.fullyfollow.me/rootnl2k Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism Merry Christmas 2016 and Happy New Year 2017 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 14:26:03 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1910C48AB0 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:26:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp3.irishbroadband.ie (smtp3.irishbroadband.ie [62.231.32.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C9FB1CA7 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:26:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [89.127.62.20] (helo=smtp.lan.sohara.org) by smtp3.irishbroadband.ie with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1c7k71-0005bV-41; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:25:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.87 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1c7k7U-000KIu-CB; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:26:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:25:47 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Message-Id: <20161118142547.9cd6703cd95036fa147d6918@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20161118140210.35df746a@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> <20161118120740.cbaf9f31a85b2b19211f5d82@sohara.org> <20161118140210.35df746a@archlinux.localdomain> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:26:03 -0000 On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:02:10 +0100 Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:07:40 +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > >On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:44:07 +0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > > > >> Microsoft in its aspect as the global cloud computing company is > >> really quite different from Microsoft in its aspect as the PC > >> desktop operating system company. > > > > Yes instead of trying to ensure that every computer you can buy > >runs Windows, that every corporate email system runs on Exchange etc. > >and everybody has to pay to stay up to date, they want to ensure that > >as much of your data as possible lives on their servers so you have to > >keep paying to get at it with rented applications. It's still a > >lock-in strategy. > > I'm still less an advocate for Windows or clouds, than already not an > advocate for systemd. However, why should a company provide something > for free as in beer to other companies, who will use the service to > make money? You dislike Microsoft? So do I. I dislike this company for > several reasons, but I wouldn't blame them for a valid business model. I'm not blaming them, simply observing what they're doing and that they haven't changed all that much. I won't be buying because I'd rather own the hardware that holds my data but that's my personal preference. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 14:37:56 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835E4C48DE3 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:37:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [78.47.239.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6623BF for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:37:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F284DA409 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:37:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RjR0XXamLCom for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:37:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.27.4.215] (unknown [87.79.34.228]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ADEC94DA408 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:37:48 +0100 (CET) To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" Subject: testing SSD performance Message-ID: <9966b2a4-8812-3de1-8a9e-05bc96c8ef3c@kukulies.org> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:37:51 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:37:56 -0000 I was running an older FreeBSD (9.2) for quite a while now with the root FS (and swap) an an SSD drive (100GB). While upgrading the system to 11.0 and while observing quit elong buildworld times I'm wondering myself if my SSD possibly might have gotten degraded some extent. I've read that SSD tend to run slow on writes over time, especially when no provisions were taken to e.g. fill them up just up to 2/3 of their max capacity to leave room for firmware storage management. Is there a quick tool to test overall performance (disk i/o and processor overall system speed)? -- Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 14:38:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6BFAC48E76 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:38:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm39-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm39-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.168]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65DE56A0 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:38:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1479479730; bh=4FCskvx77BqUCMNLqgHFy8Xu6ihEmNXNGF352EzrzAM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=C3qotCit7IeEa8qJaV+ZxDBtdYHjzpb+Jh99XbCwESAMpfLct/nk1plRhaRIj7zkdrtz2gyHlXwN35f2Ayf2YydO2PUxV8RqY+5s8Afyt34oEF/frr4jKjqDN+eN9Zc/hQ/UQMitwyBRYnwtAYZe9u1sz/Kc0pd72PLlpqOz6WJR7TSebHEzcPeA1ZXG++pVGr6JCAziX7RJuqnGn47zKB393D6wn+Eyvuvd62JmMG9BXDmddPjZqWW4jXaPbs0b/QjN8CMgc/euaYpf0vwHevXBDBTsZM7/gWU2lesM/CImDnqC4vTgMMM+rfaM0sE/cbGSGILqSbZlDV21RF5iCA== Received: from [212.82.98.53] by nm39.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 14:35:30 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.107] by tm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 14:35:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp144.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 14:35:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 38300.74847.bm@smtp144.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: rwnZ0cwVM1k6EpJZlqk0Ivw9e4Qets3sABqcIYiZ_jHo1RZ zdEvVRdQYq20TX7jTguaV6tImkClExZbyp0_XthhsLBWBMC2KJCOjKBNCHx1 5FPm7RVgZN73EGAJIMe5.L74WD.GRNk1aNKPtclYy51hfZ4KNkDkUs9aUaI7 Bl92cB0nHTIzbf3EfPrWr9bxhpXjY6gEH9HIMTdLlswD38P4oZSfpB9DnWwO K9SbTg8vkZcIT5LkdocGc68Tc_Vmghga.6mGpXiNV6TLwh9776HkAYPG9LMy WAbdtVGGDdmRr.vR._SsoUy8o_KpJvDhbpN2QEM1qHmSQyFPeqfwjoD4q8UF e1sChjyv7c0G_lF88CAi6GPJZLeVWl0s6yktsnVmpPaUgSmJZIGwTONtaEYp CrU.uRlNCovIOMvE57_9ONHG4P5aKiSvWGFa0_XOhkrlJ7XtO6xTXbuqImRl kK0inuPvaHNyewNQO7nwa0kaHvKDwn6dAUFqU8OBhzNkBbhzqjcUlIrpVy.3 8xYgroMlJ0hZeeZr_wClBtrwTOLrqKpTvn3_DZ1ZUmQnbLuLdp3iO8qVOZL1 s_mCoYpJsrkf8L0RB_AaBL6ScRuCM X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:35:28 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Message-ID: <20161118153528.520865a0@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20161118135903.GA92635@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: <3tKvmR3WJ4z1cXL4@baobab.bilink.it> <20161118135903.GA92635@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-13-g860ccbc (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:38:25 -0000 On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 06:59:03 -0700, The Doctor wrote: >Hence my view LinSucks the Microsoft of Unixes. As already pointed out, Linux is not Unix, it's even not Posix. Appart from this, some Linux distros follow a similar approach as FreeBSD does, Suse and Ubuntu are not Linux, they are just distros for a completely different target group. However, it's true that FreeBSD has advantages over Linux, but vice versa it's true, too. There are domains that are completely not provided by FreeBSD. You can't compare a spoon with a fork by ignoring the usage. Only an idiot would use a fork to sup Bouillon. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 14:51:53 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98EE2C4823F for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:51:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soulofroot55@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x232.google.com (mail-it0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 625B1D8F for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:51:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soulofroot55@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x232.google.com with SMTP id c20so29411855itb.0 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 06:51:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=MLYls0xsn7k71DV/Qs7AQV8CAkNWhqbKbgHTOsKtziw=; b=GHhyD9nhRgMMkMCFgXeMNvzLqKgz/oAxBTRVOSqPWy5s/6xgmyQZ8phOPM0kwu0fFF ZXr+ECIJLXqCvHvTA5D8NCs3WRAjrxqQYVyVTmp5SA0FjNggJ4CMT53jbqakz8dMVrsj FvsaOD3/j+gYHyo9sXrvxo2yZi0eFc0cSND6Z3z5jqY5cgl6CX8E97OhZDgqxbCobWra Sq+0LkGKr8P1vs1Kr9jGQA5IEuAnM0t4m3Vvo+vdZ1VN3RqPkgZS577lTn8YvPqdjvEE 24FDjDgmRaAaDOUlOrq4Qd4e1k/GrhvL0NILSMOJMBoInpdPiSE8lKJtjvnQCbUoLNsm Iyug== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=MLYls0xsn7k71DV/Qs7AQV8CAkNWhqbKbgHTOsKtziw=; b=mfdipdlSayouif7whmVueSny0eJzf996dJwlDfIq+9q2LqZbnaZmckOpObPLMSVpqd O949kv3sGKaP7611S3sDUxcO3VxRvgXnqSCswSPc4+fcRGb6e/6B1YpS2jreDUMQp1+/ kpDqIR9yKSLFra8Y75oiVu6ZyjxLvsDDkBucTH2wVyXAdIZDTs5/v6VD/88zx9PUlE54 WHW0HnUWPJMp28Ld35E7WMOpJ3biG0kfteP7GT3lZBnavEsMazGpAA5gGd+NEBx8n7H2 PeIZO6o0prTwy/DJloDEOADS/ZMFuq1be3+31fRnSWqUMpUJfOhNTd0g/bWO39sntvwd w5rA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC02DL83ulZqTfOgSZOHf3FEqHFBms42n4np8valPDEPuvWsyKMAUV/l8eBR4a5ZekisJBICI9QtG8+KkdA== X-Received: by 10.107.158.76 with SMTP id h73mr85563ioe.152.1479480712418; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 06:51:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.219.101 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 06:51:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:51:51 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:51:53 -0000 2016-11-17 21:35 GMT-02:00 SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 : > At its Connect(); 2016 developer event in New York City today, Microsoft > announced it is joining The Linux Foundation. And the company isn=E2=80= =99t joining > just to say it did: Microsoft is joining at the Platinum level, the highe= st > level of membership, which costs $500,000 annually. John Gossman, archite= ct > on the Microsoft Azure team, will sit on the foundation=E2=80=99s Board o= f > Directors and help underwrite projects. > > reference: http://venturebeat.com/2016/11/16/microsoft-joins-the-linux-fo= undation-as-a-platinum-member/ > > > Can this be? Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? > > > Don=E2=80=99t Believe the Lies; Microsoft Hates Linux and Merely Pulls E.E.= E. Tactics Against It, Including .NET Promotion Posted in Deception, GNU/Linux, Microsoft at 6:58 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz Making GNU/Linux work the =E2=80=98Microsoft way=E2=80=99 so as to give Mic= rosoft greater control =E2=80=98We had some painful experiences with C and C++, and when Microsoft= came out with .NET, we said, =E2=80=9CYes! That is what we want.=E2=80=9D=E2=80= =98 =E2=80=93Miguel de Icaza, now Microsoft employee Summary: A warning about lots of prepared (in advance) Microsoft brainwash, or intentionally misleading material that strives to portray Microsoft as a friend of GNU/Linux even though the company actively attacks GNU/Linux and tries to bring the competitor under its own control" http://techrights.org/2016/11/16/microsoft-still-hates-linux/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 14:54:45 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2C9C48336 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3E0AF28 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:54:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9CA3420B3 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:54:33 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/9CA3420B3; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: testing SSD performance To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <9966b2a4-8812-3de1-8a9e-05bc96c8ef3c@kukulies.org> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <36c4714c-f1ba-527e-b4e2-04072d1be9f9@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:54:17 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9966b2a4-8812-3de1-8a9e-05bc96c8ef3c@kukulies.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qLsr3haj2ailg3vjUP54lO5ng3j4frFvw" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:54:45 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --qLsr3haj2ailg3vjUP54lO5ng3j4frFvw Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="dxkV5v3LcCv8BjSjPqvbtkI7PKgWgcLdS"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <36c4714c-f1ba-527e-b4e2-04072d1be9f9@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: testing SSD performance References: <9966b2a4-8812-3de1-8a9e-05bc96c8ef3c@kukulies.org> In-Reply-To: <9966b2a4-8812-3de1-8a9e-05bc96c8ef3c@kukulies.org> --dxkV5v3LcCv8BjSjPqvbtkI7PKgWgcLdS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/18/16 14:37, Christoph P.U. Kukulies wrote: > I was running an older FreeBSD (9.2) for quite a while now with the roo= t > FS (and swap) an an SSD drive (100GB). >=20 > While upgrading the system to 11.0 and while observing quit elong > buildworld times I'm wondering myself if my SSD possibly might have > gotten degraded > some extent. I've read that SSD tend to run slow on writes over time, > especially when no provisions were taken to e.g. fill them up just up t= o > 2/3 of their max capacity to leave room for firmware storage management= =2E >=20 >=20 > Is there a quick tool to test overall performance (disk i/o and > processor overall system speed)? >=20 bonnie++ will give you some performance stats, although without a set of measurements on a new SSD to compare, its utility is likely to be limited= =2E The other utility that may be of use to you is smartmontools -- this will be able to tell you how much wear you've put on your device. You'll want to look for 'Media Wearout Indicator' or 'Wear Levelling Count' depending on the manufacturer. The other reason for long buildworlds is not having a great deal of RAM. C-compilation is both quite memory intensive in itself, and also does a lot of file-io, so having plenty of RAM available for filesystem caching will help a lot. Cheers, Matthew --dxkV5v3LcCv8BjSjPqvbtkI7PKgWgcLdS-- --qLsr3haj2ailg3vjUP54lO5ng3j4frFvw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJYLxYaAAoJEABRPxDgqeTnjxwP/32mZG8Dgi3Am5G5lPSzLByh 3m+4jlU6LmhNqnKLvh0H7tjzfUvCztPOiiIer5HvBlwnTUOt4t5rJu/DOs8HD2KI XsX7HPGxGkosljNiSzQtQaOsf9eN6xz9Od761xc3QsmpmeDGTC2yFrMNE5Qm70cB pz+n+vfLB1HMxI0WvPlUFKwQ/QaYf1bs63qiTRBytSl0hZAvbRSsYfpLd7n7xptB yj8pYmQmdA37eMPCIxdCDg7sSti+iD3WYyswb1SWQ754PNmqKryZ1rXyLyGLzG+4 7a5MMT5EVpt5eR0ZgN1Pip4mYS73zHZx5z+1buVPwUpr1LWmWu709OS1BZbnMLx+ UQMAHI0YDTF9CUYDValwgrrTyv+YwWT99UPy63nBiUOVmrfOIE9P4i4vV/RT8sgh kiYD+/GUL5DN1VDgyiQsGl99QAcWtDTSmohYP27KtCDtpU07ZbFp3BULeSW9qT0l YmKRCHBsCcE6L+ozUbErwNNgjRj0NIT9QjybYhoSS8ws22q5D7ozz1wRmu6bD3PC IrBhMiU33iiGu0c3zNaQR4a3Lhlm2U8xktxwEBYmSdm5P4ekvTJiXiKPO9Q9KWbV 5wOLevk+tj27hMuov6padpdhhJAfmjesC0TtZtBm8R5jVtQETr+QO8ETRbPXO0Nw x2v0Uos4/s3dx+DZXiu2 =vQgS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qLsr3haj2ailg3vjUP54lO5ng3j4frFvw-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 15:01:01 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34343C48440 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:01:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm39-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm39-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.161]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A61C510DD for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:01:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1479481155; bh=IjE+z3ksp75vou1LeMHLQxJT50qObDTfyrUrwhFc1/4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=KOoMLu2OULlXFdzsywM4MPKuHSwRm0aHAfN9Tt3WJzGfd2DBubMm6vCXrR5F3c+zW4D+xRYw2mm3H8fAVz5gH2JTzSG/DIz0ie7v9Fg/kg6A4CDyuUG0UdU61+OroovT+DxstmyxOz1YCfgRotmn8G9GO37qjv8h2W0jUIZ47+NyXqOH4Lb3P7zpwAJfzfKwieoA19dCQz9GynRgmYBEMd2kw2cn2fa1EdCwg6T/JvVmvErrH5DFb65TngVBvBCIZW3ayJj7nDA3iuoUH4GEJQIhjNsLaNTgc/mgjGnwLylIzu9YjMDhA+JDvYsjHjXLvmKR4S6FLcDMDraXu/ar+w== Received: from [212.82.98.124] by nm39.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 14:59:15 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.105] by tm17.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 14:59:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp142.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 14:59:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 772099.91810.bm@smtp142.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ZfdSXWoVM1mIQ4ko92Ko1hAzX_DE6hj29caTTmUqUyLwHHr 0dpBOfWFfq1D73_TgNjvKYhL6Qjm9XtwSNbT7jUvFRcGFpZBe61FIRmELIP_ gUg.CSr55yCqvwClPogdiC2OxcWUhgX_tRo7L6VBeZKarVkO1lOeXDxUXlg. 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Message-ID: <20161118155914.6e7e8675@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20161118142547.9cd6703cd95036fa147d6918@sohara.org> References: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> <20161118120740.cbaf9f31a85b2b19211f5d82@sohara.org> <20161118140210.35df746a@archlinux.localdomain> <20161118142547.9cd6703cd95036fa147d6918@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-13-g860ccbc (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:01:01 -0000 On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:25:47 +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >I won't be buying because I'd rather own the hardware that holds my >data but that's my personal preference. Your company perhaps isn't that huge. I could imagine that for huge companies, it's an advantage not to maintain their own server farms all over the world, but instead to pay for a company doing it for them. This is not my domain, I don't know how secure, or insecure this approach is, compared to maintaining internal server farms all over the world, but it's easy to imagine that regarding costs and maintenance huge companies could have reasons to pay for such a service bundle. However, while https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Azure#Privacy sounds insecure, owning intern server farms, could suffer from the same issues. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 15:14:44 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE21C4880C for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:14:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04361897; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:14:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 2DFA7CB8CA4; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:14:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:14:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <22213.128.135.52.6.1479482083.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20161118120740.cbaf9f31a85b2b19211f5d82@sohara.org> References: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> <20161118120740.cbaf9f31a85b2b19211f5d82@sohara.org> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:14:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: "Matthew Seaman" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:14:45 -0000 On Fri, November 18, 2016 6:07 am, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:44:07 +0000 > Matthew Seaman wrote: > >> Microsoft in its aspect as the global cloud computing company is really >> quite different from Microsoft in its aspect as the PC desktop operating >> system company. > > Yes instead of trying to ensure that every computer you can buy > runs Windows, that every corporate email system runs on Exchange etc. and > everybody has to pay to stay up to date, they want to ensure that as much > of > your data as possible lives on their servers so you have to keep paying to > get at it with rented applications. It's still a lock-in strategy. > This is the best way to make this point I've heard so far. Locked in into payment for rented applications (also: storage that holds your data etc.) They are not alone, e.g. Adobe (Photoshop is the app one of my developer needs of it) switched to "cloud" based applications. Helps to easier jack yearly payments from customers. If I am to invest my time into mastering the tool, I prefer to own the tool, not to rent it; the last means at the will of someone else I may not have access to the tool at some point. This whole thing makes me restrict myself only to tools I can have (including by buying commercial software, not yearly license to use it), and most of people I work for make similar decision for themselves (lucky me). But not the whole iPad generation does. Majority of people these days don't care where their data is and what uncle whoever (Sam in my case) can dig out of their stuff because of that... Valeri > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 15:28:28 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902B6C48DF0 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8331B4; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 427C4CB8CA3; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:28:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:28:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <14047.128.135.52.6.1479482907.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> References: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:28:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Matthew Seaman" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:28:28 -0000 On Fri, November 18, 2016 5:44 am, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 2016/11/18 10:32, Polytropon wrote: >> On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 20:35:36 -0300, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: >>> Can this be? Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? >> >> They are prividing a certain sum of money, and that amount >> makes them a platinum member, not more, not less. Basically >> anoyone who donates $500,000 annually can be a platinum member >> of The Linux Foundation. In case of MICROS~1, this is probably >> an attempt to re-gain "developers' share", a facet of "the >> new MICROS~1" thathopes people forget security nightmares, >> forced updates, patent extortion and vendor lock-in... but >> who really knows what happens inside MICROS~1... ;-) > > Actually, Microsoft's motivation here is Microsoft Azure -- they've > spend a huge amount of money on datacentres and servers and all the > other infrastructure required for setting up a global cloud presence, > and now they are very keen to encourage lots of people to use it (and > pay them money for the privilege, of course.) > > Since their principle target market is the Enterprise, and they aim to > be able to migrate just about any Enterprise computing system from > dedicated hardware to their cloud, that means they need to support just > about all of the different OSes that a variety of different Enterprise > setups could be using. So they now support a lot of OpenSource OSes. > Which includes both FreeBSD 10.x and pfsense by the way -- as well as > all the usual Linux suspects. > > Oh, and when I say 'support' that means that you can phone up Microsoft > about your FreeBSD or pfsense related problems on your Azure VMs, and > Microsoft are contractually obliged to help you out. They did a > presentation about all this at the last BSDCan. Plus there are two > FreeBSD src committers who work for Microsoft, Jeez, the last scares a hell out of me! It looks quite similar to another case: working for RedHat guy (everybody knows the name, so I skip that) committed everybody into systemd, firewalld and friends. Once related stuff has infested the kernel tree, you have only two choices: either get along, or get away. (Luckily in Linux case, I fled servers to FreeBSD long before the above happened. Just couldn't take the need of reboot once every 45 days on average...) Valeri > and who are doing a lot > of work making sure the Hyper-V drivers etc. are all working and > performant. There have been reports of a FreeBSD VM on azure achieving > 37 Gb/s on 40 Gb/s hardware for instance. > > Microsoft in its aspect as the global cloud computing company is really > quite different from Microsoft in its aspect as the PC desktop operating > system company. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 15:41:12 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82909C481D7 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53A1BE4A for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id uAIFfARI083705 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Nov 2016 08:41:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id uAIFfAC2083702; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 08:41:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 08:41:10 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: testing SSD performance In-Reply-To: <9966b2a4-8812-3de1-8a9e-05bc96c8ef3c@kukulies.org> Message-ID: References: <9966b2a4-8812-3de1-8a9e-05bc96c8ef3c@kukulies.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.1 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 18 Nov 2016 08:41:10 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:41:12 -0000 On Fri, 18 Nov 2016, Christoph P.U. Kukulies wrote: > I was running an older FreeBSD (9.2) for quite a while now with the root FS > (and swap) an an SSD drive (100GB). > > While upgrading the system to 11.0 and while observing quit elong buildworld > times I'm wondering myself if my SSD possibly might have gotten degraded > some extent. buildworld is mostly just CPU bound. I remember comparing it between hard disk and SSD and finding an amazingly small difference. The buildworld process in 11.0 and later is just much slower. Some of that can be reduced by not building the LLDB debugger by setting WITHOUT_LLDB=yes in /etc/src.conf. > I've read that SSD tend to run slow on writes over time, > especially when no provisions were taken to e.g. fill them up just up to 2/3 > of their max capacity to leave room for firmware storage management. It's possible that is the cause, but unlikely. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 15:49:42 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FCAC4848B for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:49:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74B3E1346 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:49:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id uAIFnfOR085917 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Nov 2016 08:49:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id uAIFnf3f085914; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 08:49:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 08:49:41 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: how long does a make buildworld normally take? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.1 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 18 Nov 2016 08:49:41 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:49:42 -0000 On Fri, 18 Nov 2016, Christoph P.U. Kukulies wrote: > how long does a make buildworld normally take? There are too many options to really nail that down. It varies due to hardware, build options, caching, and the version of FreeBSD. The fastest machines take minutes, slower ones several hours. With every go-fast option enabled on this Xeon E3 system, a full buildworld and kernel takes about twenty minutes (excluding LLDB). With few or no changes to source, that can be repeated in under two minutes, because it's all in cache thanks to bdrewery's build system work (NO_CLEAN and ccache). > Has make buildworld time constant over the years? No, although one version of FreeBSD usually has pretty consistent build times. 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Message-ID: <20161118165549.408e9a9f@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <14047.128.135.52.6.1479482907.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> <14047.128.135.52.6.1479482907.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-13-g860ccbc (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:58:11 -0000 On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:28:27 -0600 (CST), Valeri Galtsev wrote: >Jeez, the last scares a hell out of me! It looks quite similar to >another case: working for RedHat guy (everybody knows the name, so I >skip that) committed everybody into systemd, firewalld and friends. >Once related stuff has infested the kernel tree, you have only two >choices: either get along, or get away. (Luckily in Linux case, I fled >servers to FreeBSD long before the above happened. Just couldn't take >the need of reboot once every 45 days on average...) There's nothing to worry about https://duckduckgo.com/html?q=linus+torvald+kay+sievers there is no impact affecting the kernel. Conspiracy theories are stupid. There are serious issues unrelated to conspiracy theories, e.g. doctoral candidates who contribute to FLOSS and cause funny issues such as e.g. Heartbleed. "Catastrophic is the right word. On the scale of 1 to 10, this is an 11." - Bruce Schneier Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 15:59:26 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBBEEC48952 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:59:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD501ACE for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:59:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id A4D7ECB8C9D; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:59:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:59:25 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <18217.128.135.52.6.1479484765.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:59:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "SOUL_OF_ROOT 55" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal References: In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:59:26 -0000 On Thu, November 17, 2016 5:35 pm, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: > At its Connect(); 2016 developer event in New York City today, Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation. And the company isn’t joining > just to say it did: Microsoft is joining at the Platinum level, the highest > level of membership, which costs $500,000 annually. John Gossman, architect > on the Microsoft Azure team, will sit on the foundation’s Board of Directors and help underwrite projects. > > reference: > http://venturebeat.com/2016/11/16/microsoft-joins-the-linux-foundation-as-a-platinum-member/ > > > Can this be? Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? It is well known tactics (maybe this even qualifies as strategy?): If you can not defeat them, then join then, do all necessary to lead them, and lead them into oblivion. Or into the place you want them to be. Mind that MS is in it for money. Nothing else. Not security. (you continue the list of what you expect of the system). And whatever it needs to be done for MS to get more money, MS will do it. One of the indications of this same process was in: RedHat making RHEL Linux less like UNIX, and more like MS Windows: most of the junk is now configured trough GUI, systemd and friends, binary logs, and variety of other stuff that people brought up on UNIX will consider sysadmin's disaster. If you program - and many of us do or did in the past - you know that to solve the problem, you first need to isolate it: find small portion of code, or module where the problem occurs. This becomes much less doable (on sysadmin's level) with most modern Linux incarnations. So, the process of leading Linux into nonexistence definitely has begun, and progresses successfully. We may be just witnessing next big step. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 16:00:57 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87396C48A35 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:00:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "oceanview.tundraware.com", Issuer "oceanview.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ED4B1C5F for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:00:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id uAIG0NW9044110 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:00:24 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: how long does a make buildworld normally take? To: Warren Block , "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" References: Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: Tim Daneliuk Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:00:18 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.1 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:00:24 -0600 (CST) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: uAIG0NW9044110 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:00:57 -0000 On 11/18/2016 09:49 AM, Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 18 Nov 2016, Christoph P.U. Kukulies wrote: > >> how long does a make buildworld normally take? > > There are too many options to really nail that down. I have two example environments - both running 10.3-STABLE, updated and recompiled nightly: Quad Core i5 3.2GHz / 8G - About 30 mins for full buildworld (including LLDB) and 2 kernels Single Core VPS Xeon CPU E5-2650L v3 @ 1.80GHz / 1G - As above, no LLDB - 5 hours Bear in mind that the VPS is presumably sharing that core with many other instances, hence the long compile times. Also, it is severely memory constrained and is probably swapping mightily during these compiles. FWIW, I have noted that this is very much a CPU-bound problem. Doing the work on faster drives - like SSDs - seems to not make much difference on a given machine. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 16:14:07 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21357C47056 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:14:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm33-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm33-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.114]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B344CD3 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:14:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1479485536; bh=XchDX5HxTGi1G6fTt06Qz7dJw7wWrnRlzu8+6o/zf84=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=mk1G5kn29sbj4hq7xysna+DW1A2AWnsVNas3QB/VODcA75X9uui8R553qos5PYOBvrSGaudOluV8yFim8rkdtwPwNt/e+qf+psuDnqAmP96rRcKcIVKZqhWuKbmDmVqtRCEYxjIY7EzxM+Wtbt1efVsgxXj5SmKY2hVhUZ98F1xvJ5CqLluqjY3t4eoQrdIIzmdw10wgmrWayMVafFKt3NHYFlhdpCPEDUDDVUeu+FFLQi3IADXYXExsc43vAIBEU6F6Jx6Z5HWTO/U5vwiW1cD/+4hlD7dPFXn5mor8Iry1MWHinDYWKIPZ94B1URW10hOyqMP+aZc8FD0spHx1Nw== Received: from [212.82.98.48] by nm33.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 16:12:16 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.73] by tm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 16:12:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 16:12:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 744454.4472.bm@smtp110.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: bbo5pAUVM1mKRXfICR4N56nHyH7VRRtDc.xeK.YVYLa8fOL WFjaI14yZbhmzfIvKfoljGKEE4vu6sVW4ABzJ.xq0KVUAop3Hl5geQEnr6nQ B_J5U2WqIHE3WRbW0le0cwHC_ULKV7JS7zEz4etUZZEUWdj0WE5COoejAv6m gb0pGwo4RiwYx.AdzTy1CfvQIaZ8oAzNwD01lNIIX4oG04WdyjPX7urRo.WQ i99gmGn9FVbAlUNKam_Y8epLuLakH6QqmXiBl5wZY7h0EnA0wBtNkIh4nhFj j9EDaz3tKzloMSOebBuYCBZVcbORhRpi90TxPoI83zzwZ8D83rehmg84df28 ygaaSglGHZG5gNO_aJyvI7HM7Ofa1sEcZ56Qp1FEM1rcxq8J11W7G4PDRzSg uJyGriOyGxz.N2O6Azczu631_X41SCrbtBmSsGJbN9JCKcVx.g6ChkPnaext NM83M8a3kKkLjLkSqkRg9I1k3X36jZUJKDEt.GR9v8HDKV_QPPNsVyRlWgqt fU97xJtSBTwfqklBwG1_w1TlSB4uuNlfvUuGbL7H7hGBoLN5arHmp X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:12:15 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Message-ID: <20161118171215.379e59fb@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <18217.128.135.52.6.1479484765.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <18217.128.135.52.6.1479484765.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-13-g860ccbc (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:14:07 -0000 On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:59:25 -0600 (CST), Valeri Galtsev wrote: >binary logs I'm not a fan of systemd, but I can live with it. The binary systemd logs are idiotic, but not really an annoyance. What are you missing, if you access those logs with the "strings" command? Distros that use plain systemd for init, instead of hybrids, aren't confusing at all. Not all important distros migrated to systemd, so users aren't forced to use it. No Linux user is forced to use dbus, pulseaudio or other unwanted software. It's even possible to use udev and keep kernel name schemes. However, if somebody is a FreeBSD user for good reasons, because FreeBSD provides, what Linux doesn't, it's smart to use FreeBSD. If a user does use Linux for good reason, because FreeBSD doesn't provide what's needed, it's idiotic to migrate to FreeBSD, just because most important distros migrated to systemd. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 16:28:17 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F41C47605 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:28:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45C0915F4 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:28:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [89.204.138.61] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c7kB4-0006Pi-CC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:30:06 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (c720-r292778-amd64 [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id uAIEU2cb002532 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:30:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id uAIEU22f002531 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:30:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:30:02 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Message-ID: <20161118143002.GA2500@c720-r292778-amd64> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> <20161118120740.cbaf9f31a85b2b19211f5d82@sohara.org> <20161118140210.35df746a@archlinux.localdomain> <20161118142547.9cd6703cd95036fa147d6918@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20161118142547.9cd6703cd95036fa147d6918@sohara.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT r292778 (amd64) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.138.61 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:28:17 -0000 Please be so kind and move this thread to some other place. It has less or nothing to do with FreeBSD, starting already with its Subject. Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 16:29:33 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69461C476F9 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:29:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm2-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm2-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD29516CF for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:29:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1479486564; bh=jqPd3FeCScASkO1QLrFSj0J+haiyMP7CkeUW02452Tg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=e81oRnR4CRBaDrNUrWg33iM7CRAGv3iT2VJ/G8K9TP8LB7NUO6JVLZ03nTmsnS86K+VWX60eI5hBpTwoCmXqgrqX2QykdGczWMntF9RrJbMavNa9Fl6hwmkdSdfzH5nZ33VWShi15H8Ov83SFrvdp7Tcg4UkOZfmRb8nc3RPppXWfIFwgEtdYPrciVOf8f0nq7epd8kUfa3f9hvlJ5XkMdeJKE02oCkMJIThLjJDUdWD2hQFYDlp0S5Jaal8WwjKqxccYN1xw4K0bRjEeq0xN7DprDBmOFno/Kwf9ZVDu+Z8sXy/HmSeYOaT04sPKo4NIOxqV9mqqYkySq1U05H2Sg== Received: from [212.82.98.54] by nm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 16:29:24 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.75] by tm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 16:29:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 16:29:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 812633.35197.bm@smtp112.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: dMtWLX4VM1nijsLnWEdRpdoIIxlhEQQHVQlwPEzN4Z0zFF2 0H_bbqeuLNKUYQ9dXnnXtU4DGAcNl8W98DEgNu4fJyDiNp1saWrTIm296UYI 2wAlmwmZAxarArnVy5FjResJJRWkZ0Wt5RrEh9hYh9DlEMjiWIvzotnAqJ4I plP1IDbjFSG8MTAb2k8j5a0A9jVvyVuJ5gUaVsKE6ngQO2rcWukpqdSBHuGX kyv_uARbNZs9p6moxiIlcXTjc17YjeauEfVDzc.z1Dkfu99Cr7QLO8F18lGT 7oAIF5DYTyECNkPpwZxFHe51Obiurbz3h8xAUJSan8llhNj2uAW49rMqRbAk ufJg6Jb75ijZMQnk7oK_JQtU90FCI8H1POIKYg6c.GQOEZ78GgEO6r6XqJcL fo66LP81lSq5_H1eHAnXCvvdoWE08aoioVlwUB6VXzVlIKGAKuiHanrYTUmf 9FUdwV6NFk835LlJrTh6wfFN8DCZcTVFMDn8bLNX26iyQJJPWOOXKIahNL46 CBD_rY.NPeCPoFpS3PwJ0nC7K8I3D9iAve9wP3ABwAjN150_YzDlK4I.oYPZ pcrQ5t_9b9QWMzGCqVTRq_F9aAXO. X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:29:23 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Message-ID: <20161118172923.22f7bd72@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <18217.128.135.52.6.1479484765.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <18217.128.135.52.6.1479484765.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-13-g860ccbc (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:29:33 -0000 On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:59:25 -0600 (CST), Valeri Galtsev wrote: >most of the junk is now configured trough GUI For example? I run Linux and configure everything by command line. I'm not aware about anything, even not dconf, that requires a GUI. However, it's possible to not use junk at all. I don't use some software on what ever OS I use. Even using Gnome doesn't require to use gvfs, pulseaudio and similar things, let alone that I never ever would use Gnome or a desktop environment at all, if all I need is a window manager. What ever OS we are using, each OS requires the user's self-responsibility. Use the right tool for the task and that fits your work-flow, taste. I wouldn't use FreeBSD for real-time audio production, on the PC I'm using Linux for this purpose and now the bomb drops, for the tablet PC I'm using iOS for real-time audio production. The tool shouldn't suffer from ideological reservations, it should be the optimal tool for the task. Btw. somebody mentioned "man", I never run a Linux without man pages. A lot of claims are just FUD. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 16:39:47 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB8CC47C89 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:39:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luciano@vespaperitivo.it) Received: from baobab.bilink.net (baobab.bilink.net [212.45.144.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E16D1D35 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:39:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luciano@vespaperitivo.it) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baobab.bilink.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3tL3cq1xJZzRRqV; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:39:55 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mcs.it Received: from baobab.bilink.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (baobab.mcs.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 11027) with ESMTP id 2WlBVnHCtf+G; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:39:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.mcs.it (hermes.mcs.it [192.168.132.21]) by baobab.bilink.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3tL3cq194pzRRqT; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:39:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from mordeus (unknown [192.168.45.6]) by hermes.mcs.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B6E1B7580; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:39:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:39:45 +0100 From: Luciano Mannucci To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? In-Reply-To: <20161118171215.379e59fb@archlinux.localdomain> References: <18217.128.135.52.6.1479484765.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20161118171215.379e59fb@archlinux.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) X-Face: 4qPv4GNcD; h<7Q/sK>+GqF4=CR@KmnPkSmwd+#%\F`4yjKO3"C]p'z=(oWRnsYBQGM\5g:4skqQY0NnV'dM:Mm:^/_+I@a"; [-s=ogufdF"9ggQ'=y MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3tL3cq194pzRRqT@baobab.bilink.it> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:39:47 -0000 On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:12:15 +0100 Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > If a > user does use Linux for good reason, because FreeBSD doesn't provide > what's needed, it's idiotic to migrate to FreeBSD, just because most > important distros migrated to systemd. Well, say if the user did choose linux over FreeBSD because at that time in the past it did'nt but now it does provide what is still neded, it is certainly questionable (not always idiotic) to migrate a bunch of servers *just* because some linux distros switched to systemd. It might be the last of a serie of reasons, maybe not the only one. :) BTW, wich "important" distros did not? (Just out of curiosity, if I may ask... :) Cheers, Luciano. -- /"\ /Via A. Salaino, 7 - 20144 Milano (Italy) \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN / PHONE : +39 2 485781 FAX: +39 2 48578250 X AGAINST HTML MAIL / E-MAIL: posthamster@sublink.sublink.ORG / \ AND POSTINGS / WWW: http://www.lesassaie.IT/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 17:12:04 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3168C48ADA for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:12:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm6-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm6-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.125]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 720561862 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:12:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1479489116; bh=p4Q4dKxxOJI2OsLwbvphWhoPXMjmaiMgJHttXXiYbFk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=NSIwz3ttUQX264OPkwFnh/bsZ6anBZH5QtjV7N0FJYsuVJJSN2AF0Akjb60fCIT5t9UmsvS8ILEpbWiO6TbcMwvmU9kbPrpm1q9TVnJn4gLp3rgnK8iK7K8bhtB1Qju8iDQj9F70A6OGdl++1mcgqv5WbZB0YJ2PextiltVt/fuUJ3VmV/Z/sOA3mUYetz2LYwfONYeatdxjPwGjyWHqot2l1mlTFG4qBNRaWDujivJexm6qfUOhiGhW79+QfD9dtymE+9sE8xFgJqAxipHBJHaoDa/THMk+aqoqI13nOpdBx+fXOF5BrBL9J9G+2AmkYQxW/7wf/QBAiNlFntIt6w== Received: from [212.82.98.48] by nm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 17:11:56 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.72] by tm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 17:11:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 17:11:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 19501.22819.bm@smtp109.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: j1JQEHUVM1m9aIClkzswQCtuvrOm4pj_uSB3A4.f4MOIwdz hzz19mUEwHVqJm355yconsz3xjCK96NAZOanR5H6Wj_zSRKg5icYvPk2mJ5W arICumrmFhp3.I3Olkr7GK2Pgj2DR8T6a5ttUG19_MyTPKdpdfa3TbokGC_1 fwHUqQtwwykFEdRSl1MN02oJLaRd24lXctj_VAtms.wRVD8Z4QDsuFVLA1s6 LnsAune4fjYuJ1ee96JnUYtSNUrKF3DeG4zpA195bR1EmSHAq66taotSTEP1 TiCmUV2_Og_ILFIID._r.U2r97bQCL_stK3Jf1.2uih5EjbsNQw_wnfmeaxd 1lYxO.GD1bRYI.lP3_v.Zgo7iWYwcR.lrB1c4NFUPlo1MzOhYZJroS8qi74_ jFmZTYfqWzytnCKGIKQBLhbQvCGredM32zgErIMHWdPLTPASshCfBSLG9GTP 1v1bhHyWgQc76Zohej2ncusTsKK19hOQ4KOdLGX6OzS0lpMJUnByexKddsdR YMAuy_aMTdXmLCa.uIgVVW9wbHxxgZrZw7wPlQrXWxGV2Vt6N4jvrJWRRJ5o Pt1Dui6wHv_mNXvJQ8VhRoedpjkTp X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 18:11:54 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Message-ID: <20161118181154.206e2fa7@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <3tL3cq194pzRRqT@baobab.bilink.it> References: <18217.128.135.52.6.1479484765.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20161118171215.379e59fb@archlinux.localdomain> <3tL3cq194pzRRqT@baobab.bilink.it> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-13-g860ccbc (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:12:05 -0000 On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:39:45 +0100, Luciano Mannucci wrote: >On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:12:15 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> just because most important distros migrated to systemd. > >BTW, wich "important" distros did not? I never used Gentoo myself, but it's one of the important distros. I try to avoid the term "major distro", instead I consider some distros with a huge base of experienced users as important distros. They use OpenRC https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Comparison_of_init_systems I'm an Arch Linux user, the distro that perhaps provides the most important Linux Wiki and follows a similar approach as Gentoo does, but quasi the only usable init system on Arch Linux is systemd. To help FLOSS novices, especially in regards to pro-audio, I maintain an Ubuntu LTS install. Newer releases by default come with systemd, too, but they still tend to be systemd-sysv-generator hybrids. This is a serious, confusing issue, let alone that the complete policy of Ubuntu is an annoyance for many experienced users. However the target group of Ubuntu aren't experienced operating system users and older, still long term supported releases by default use upstart. Nobody could know what happens next to Ubuntu, e.g. in regards to "snaps". But for sure such an approach as snap and similar things will not be taken over by other distros, such as Arch, even if Ubuntu's snap announcements create this wrong impression. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 20:17:08 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BE3C47936 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:17:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA HLL ISSUER 01" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0377EB36 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:17:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402B562154 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:08:56 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BZGqA2cs4Gop for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D80CA621B5 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:08:53 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=harte-lyne.ca; s=dkim_hll; t=1479499734; bh=E5rdRJ7sjiQnRbWTpdPfOh5lc9Qa6siu+p7ApMongX4=; h=In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Reply-To; b=J+pePIr/1GgwUEMi6CKHumJYW8BGLkrwPgjvP4yXNyViUS2t4BWorcMeoDFd3dAG7 kioV6G+nLyHNIopeGQjMsYIInt2qPYraGR6ACztW4+C9anh0n4KuxYSbj3/P35r29/ w2C7UQmL54IvQZ/2CAE4VU1AUI2meRy7XD7doqqUawxuDv00Y5moOPEq0sD+QzpTpp 5AtLkWEWp4A3zY3SDd8EgBRz5/JAGyUJEUFj7RbfFpBsBIdNqgrW6rKqsmkjZKsPxt 2Bihn6K2hQD6NVqbmfO6JfTXOqSeepTJLfzB5LLAeQ7g9BWjemICZPmMPlxJ6ZqD+y GhsMv1ZjZSLGA== Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:08:54 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:08:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-4.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:17:08 -0000 On Fri, November 18, 2016 09:59, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:25:47 +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >>I won't be buying because I'd rather own the hardware that holds my >>data but that's my personal preference. > > Your company perhaps isn't that huge. I could imagine that for huge > companies, it's an advantage not to maintain their own server farms > all > over the world, but instead to pay for a company doing it for them. > This is not my domain, I don't know how secure, or insecure this > approach is, compared to maintaining internal server farms all over > the > world, but it's easy to imagine that regarding costs and maintenance > huge companies could have reasons to pay for such a service bundle. > > However, while > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Azure#Privacy > sounds insecure, owning intern server farms, could suffer from the > same issues. > > Regards, > Ralf > > Yes there are obvious advantages. And some not so obvious problems. For one there is the matter of just where in the cloud is your data. what country or countries is it in? We have a wild-west situation at the moment. Few are paying particular attention to this but ordinary people are getting a might sensitive to having their financial, medical and other personal data subject to unrestrained snooping by governments. The cloud, in all its myriad names, is completely, utterly and totally compromised from a data security standpoint. And that is by design. We have been contacted by people that want to host our email, our telephone system, our fax system, our accounting system, our business operations system; and all for a fraction of the cost that it takes to keep this stuff in house. Of course when asked what they are doing to prevent unauthorised snooping they all say that their security is 'state-of-the-art'. Which is pretty poor when you consider it. They also have a rather loose concept of what 'authorised' means. >From reading their literature and asking some pointed questions it evidently does not necessarily involve the courts. It is not even clear in which jurisdictions your data will reside and whose laws it will be subject too. In fact some of these 'contracts' all but say outright that they are going to farm your data and sell whatever they can to the highest bidders, however paltry that sum might be. Data security is really simple when you get down to it. There are three places where data streams are compromised: point of origin, point of delivery and medium of exchange. By far the most difficult is compromising the medium of exchange. And yet that is what gets all the press. Heartbleed, RSA certificates, 1024 bit vs 2048 bit, MD5 vs. SHA1 vs. SHA2. But compromising the medium of exchange is expensive and unreliable. It also requires a lot of people which is the bane of covert surveillance. Somebody always talks. By far the best results are obtained by compromising the origin. But that requires overt penetration and compromise of equipment that is usually physically secured to some degree. And that is generally watched over by some party that just might notice strange transmissions going off-site. Because of its high value product it is often attempted but, it fails far more often than it succeeds. And success is always fleeting. Eventually somebody on-site twigs and the result usually takes the form of a iron wall around their data. Which is usually the same thing you get after a failed attempt. Failing compromising the origin or the exchange it is nearly just as beneficial to compromise the delivery; and generally a lot easier. People tend to focus on what they directly control. Few people worry over much about how a client stores email messages sent to them, however sensitive the contents. Off-site data backups frequently prove a gaping hole in data security. In fact anything kept off-site frequently becomes a route to compromise the internal security systems. Consider Home Depots experience and Target's. Putting stuff on the cloud makes compromise of the delivery point a trivial exercise for anyone with access to the underlying infrastructure. And that infrastructure is not under the watchful eye of the people whose data it stores. If you want your enterprise to be turned into somebody's product and save a few dollars then the easiest thing to do is turn over all of your internal processes and data to a third party. However, the money you save will end up being someone else's, eventually. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 20:26:52 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59CEC47D44 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:26:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from outbound.ifdnrg.com (outbound2.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933D4109A for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:26:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from [192.168.1.49] (38.156-30-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.30.156.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by outbound.ifdnrg.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id uAIKA8wV004825 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:10:10 GMT (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) X-Authentication-Warning: outbound.ifdnrg.com: Host 38.156-30-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.30.156.38] claimed to be [192.168.1.49] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Paul Macdonald Subject: Dell R230's + ZFS via PERC Message-ID: <5c6f8cf9-3b10-f631-7a14-986ce08f8b54@ifdnrg.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:10:11 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:26:52 -0000 Hi, We're buying a few of theDell R230's now, The R230's however, whilst having nice 4 x hotswappable bays) have only a single sata port on the borard and everything goes via the PERC card. ( the R220's had awful ACPI problems which muck up serial access) A lot of these are single SSD systems with a few mirrored sata + L2 SSD's for caching I've read that ZFS prefers direct access to the disks, does anyone have info/insight as to running zfs via these percs? thanks Paul. -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07970339546 e: paul@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com ------------------------- IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA ---------------------------------------------------- Virtual Servers from £50.00pm High specification Dedicated Servers from £150.00pm ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 22:53:18 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1222C48DC2 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 22:53:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x233.google.com (mail-vk0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A2A8A0D for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 22:53:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x233.google.com with SMTP id x186so179649250vkd.1 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:53:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=6nT2CGGE4d4QdyEAfnbge3XAqwFo/3DWbBzQaYdUkQk=; b=NAjSbX4QqU/JTX/JmythoCkfRDAwyEnh9HO6jEfwXH3kW0R9CySznlLE+yaz12it+e W2mWF+R56XfZT9XFFfiHKwQuOvzZj2a3cZrK3hDc7LNE2jhkBwZf1ngF+B6VP0QVQ7Yz UYzbIFfNR3dcJE8wRtWjlXwo/E0VNIV9JHxOeG2H8e/wS2MfrzVBcH93r5llIREvpblf KrlWr9XCmzc4Z5US+1FG4kb+V3zg7Y77DIXbHr4Jjz87Fgjx61EmdGwY+xhBGzhrGc/w OZsZceKGbPixYsgviVAFLoElC2z1kWgTe9y0ivdXvIogdXmsv3DNo3tznew4ysIMMuiE eTMw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=6nT2CGGE4d4QdyEAfnbge3XAqwFo/3DWbBzQaYdUkQk=; b=freYZB9ycsasTh/R4PmDkwQ1L3xDjVhHCWcfEHtRobNsPS4YnK/VkEUm7zGqEnGyRn SvBe3yEl2Jve4Tmn0jhLeKQr1psHkdmKphkwaepX7nyEJIwYXF+qm2/qM4c+QKK6lIrh 24C/4t3KC43OsFWfQzdOI5NTIArkxkbSmvxfMm+E0x8cvmuoPC2cHv2E9TpBYrowtYXJ Ejmty17OWwRmMgATbI7PXic0ZvIfRLiv3v/oyzBTjNahiE9n1D06jWZjkap30XOK6LJv PmPY+sEIbDYt+r5ur0qRl4Ly+Ga+uH7fPhN70x4gSfh4GLp4z27OUhNwXsDQAqujLS1l aGDQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC01zQqu8BO5SnAvFCyfg9RZZMh98Et877W/4kmUg9j/Nx/1t/BQ5EkBOcxZ03jQa2soD1Huw/yXEpejdXw== X-Received: by 10.31.201.7 with SMTP id z7mr1140644vkf.67.1479509597646; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:53:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.69.73 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:53:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9966b2a4-8812-3de1-8a9e-05bc96c8ef3c@kukulies.org> References: <9966b2a4-8812-3de1-8a9e-05bc96c8ef3c@kukulies.org> From: Adam Vande More Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:53:16 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: testing SSD performance To: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 22:53:18 -0000 On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Christoph P.U. Kukulies wrote: > I was running an older FreeBSD (9.2) for quite a while now with the root > FS (and swap) an an SSD drive (100GB). > > While upgrading the system to 11.0 and while observing quit elong > buildworld times I'm wondering myself if my SSD possibly might have gotten > degraded > some extent. I've read that SSD tend to run slow on writes over time, > especially when no provisions were taken to e.g. fill them up just up to > 2/3 of their max capacity to leave room for firmware storage management. > Not really at least with decent+ hardware. http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 23:21:27 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011C2C485F9 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 23:21:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0A921A7C for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 23:21:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-250-109.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.250.109]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C8F0276A1 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 00:21:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id uAINLIuY005022 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 00:21:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 00:21:18 +0100 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Error values for g_vfs_done() and struct bio bio_error Message-Id: <20161119002118.7b2e44a2.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 23:21:27 -0000 I have a 1TB SATA disk attached to a SATA->USB "converter" which I regularly (and successfully) use to attach external "naked disks" to my system, and the devices /dev/da3 and /dev/da3s1 appear. When trying to read data from it (for example with dd), the following kind of error message is printed by the kernel: g_vfs_done():da3[READ(offset=0, length=1024)]error = 22 and g_vfs_done():da3s1[READ(offset=0, length=1024)]error = 22 I already found where the function g_vfs_done() is defined and that a struct bio exists where the member bio_error will be set (which is then printed by the function). Question: Where can I find an explanation of what kind of error the value 22 does represent? Sidenote: It's not possible to read data from the disk with dd, even a simple "fdisk da3" and the respective gpart command also just print errors, mounting attempts as -t ntfs and -t msdosfs (optionally with -o large) fail as well. And I'd like to know why. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 19 00:09:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD26BC48678 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 00:09:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: from auth.a.painless.aa.net.uk (auth.a.painless.aa.net.uk [90.155.4.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 657F11331; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 00:09:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: from woodcruft.co.uk ([81.187.49.114] helo=lime.woodcruft.co.uk) by a.painless.aa.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1c7tDc-0003ez-BQ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 00:09:22 +0000 Received: by lime.woodcruft.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 42814305E5; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 00:09:11 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 00:09:11 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: Matthew Seaman Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Message-ID: <20161119000911.GA21050@lime.woodcruft.co.uk> Reply-To: Frank Shute Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Seaman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-PRERELEASE amd64 X-Organisation: 'woodcruft.co.uk' User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-Painless-Spam-Score: 1.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 00:09:24 -0000 On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 11:44:07AM +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > On 2016/11/18 10:32, Polytropon wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 20:35:36 -0300, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: > >> Can this be? Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? > > > > They are prividing a certain sum of money, and that amount > > makes them a platinum member, not more, not less. Basically > > anoyone who donates $500,000 annually can be a platinum member > > of The Linux Foundation. In case of MICROS~1, this is probably > > an attempt to re-gain "developers' share", a facet of "the > > new MICROS~1" thathopes people forget security nightmares, > > forced updates, patent extortion and vendor lock-in... but > > who really knows what happens inside MICROS~1... ;-) > > Actually, Microsoft's motivation here is Microsoft Azure -- they've > spend a huge amount of money on datacentres and servers and all the > other infrastructure required for setting up a global cloud presence, > and now they are very keen to encourage lots of people to use it (and > pay them money for the privilege, of course.) And where did they get that "huge amount of money"? The same place they got the money for XBox, Nokia, Skype, the Gates' Foundation etc. From abusing the hell out of their customers with their desktop monopoly. > > Since their principle target market is the Enterprise, and they aim to > be able to migrate just about any Enterprise computing system from > dedicated hardware to their cloud, that means they need to support just > about all of the different OSes that a variety of different Enterprise > setups could be using. So they now support a lot of OpenSource OSes. > Which includes both FreeBSD 10.x and pfsense by the way -- as well as > all the usual Linux suspects. > > Oh, and when I say 'support' that means that you can phone up Microsoft > about your FreeBSD or pfsense related problems on your Azure VMs, and > Microsoft are contractually obliged to help you out. What if this wonderful "support" consists of some poor guy in India reading from a script? I am of course going to take Microsoft on in court for breach of contract... > They did a presentation about all this at the last BSDCan. Plus there are > two FreeBSD src committers who work for Microsoft, and who are doing a lot > of work making sure the Hyper-V drivers etc. are all working and performant. > There have been reports of a FreeBSD VM on azure achieving 37 Gb/s on 40 > Gb/s hardware for instance. I'm glad to hear that FreeBSD is performing so well for them. I remember reading somewhere of WhatsApp servicing over 2 million concurrent connections on one FreeBSD box; the app being written in some dialect of Erlang IIRC. The guy who built WhatsApp bunged the FreeBSD Foundation a million bucks when he cashed out, by way of thanks. Perhaps you could remind me of how much money Microsoft have given us? The way this Azure business has happened, has not given me much confidence in the future of FreeBSD. The way I found out about it, was by reading an article on The Register quoting some delusional nonsense from some Microsoft manager who played fast and loose with the name: FreeBSD(tm). I thought I'd have a look at what the Foundation had to say about it on their site. Nothing. I checked to see if Microsoft had made any monetary contribution to the Foundation for dragging our trademark through the mud. Nothing. Fact: I've made a greater monetary contribution to FreeBSD whilst on social security than the multi-billion Microsoft Corp ever has. What really annoyed me though was when about 4 ENs came through to me from announce@ a few months ago informing me about the interesting ways 10.3 would shit itself on Azure. That might be of interest to the 2 people who are retarded enough to run FreeBSD on Azure but to my mind it was an abuse of ENs/announce@. > Microsoft in its aspect as the global cloud computing company is really > quite different from Microsoft in its aspect as the PC desktop operating > system company. I disagree with you, Matthew. It's just another cheek of the same arse. Their MO has always been "How can we make more money by abusing our monopoly?". Never like an honest company who say "Let's make life better for our existing & potential customers and profit is sure to follow". IMO, if they can find their way to giving the Linux Foundation half a million then they should do the same for the FreeBSD Foundation. Although, I'd prefer FreeBSD had nothing to do with a bunch of criminals, to be honest. > > Cheers, > > Matthew Regards, -- Frank https://woodcruft.co.uk/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 19 01:31:06 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802A1C4886E for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 01:31:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AD3B1D06 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 01:31:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-250-109.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.250.109]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E3553CECF; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 02:31:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id uAJ1V1sU005964; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 02:31:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 02:31:01 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Frank Shute Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Message-Id: <20161119023101.8e3ea400.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20161119000911.GA21050@lime.woodcruft.co.uk> References: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> <20161119000911.GA21050@lime.woodcruft.co.uk> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 01:31:06 -0000 I tried not to respond again, but I failed... sorry. On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 00:09:11 +0000, Frank Shute wrote: > On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 11:44:07AM +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > > > On 2016/11/18 10:32, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 20:35:36 -0300, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: > > >> Can this be? Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? > > > > > > They are prividing a certain sum of money, and that amount > > > makes them a platinum member, not more, not less. Basically > > > anoyone who donates $500,000 annually can be a platinum member > > > of The Linux Foundation. In case of MICROS~1, this is probably > > > an attempt to re-gain "developers' share", a facet of "the > > > new MICROS~1" thathopes people forget security nightmares, > > > forced updates, patent extortion and vendor lock-in... but > > > who really knows what happens inside MICROS~1... ;-) > > > > Actually, Microsoft's motivation here is Microsoft Azure -- they've > > spend a huge amount of money on datacentres and servers and all the > > other infrastructure required for setting up a global cloud presence, > > and now they are very keen to encourage lots of people to use it (and > > pay them money for the privilege, of course.) > > And where did they get that "huge amount of money"? The same place they got > the money for XBox, Nokia, Skype, the Gates' Foundation etc. From abusing the > hell out of their customers with their desktop monopoly. It's not just desktops. MICROS~1 probably has (almost!) given up on home consumer desktops. For example, "Windows 10" is given away "for free" (haha). They care much more for the corporate sector: business business numbers is it working. As Matthew pointed out, the "cloud party" (where MICROS~1 arrived quite late) gives businesses more than sufficient opportunity _not_ to use MICROS~1 products (even though nobody got fired for licensing MICROS~1 products, and licensing costs are a nice thing for tax deduction anyway). That's why they are forced (for now) for much more interoperability, compatibility and connectivity to non-MICROS~1 things. They can afford it. MICROS~1's primary cash cows are "Exchange" and enterprise services, as far as I know. They also make more money from Android sales than from their own smartphone division. (So even if you declare you don't want support MICROS~1, so you're going to buy an Android smartphone, you provide them money.) Accepting that kind of money could... well, some people might actually feel bad about where this money comes from, and... their role as a NSA strategic partner (!) might be something to consider as well - it's not that they are helping for free. Of course the key to success is having MICROS~1 products on all levels of human life: gaming consoles for the kids, smartphones for mom & dad, convertible tablets for hipsters, ERP and reporting solutions for the businessman, cloud services for the hospital, toolchains for the developer. All of them want "the same pictures" at home as they know them from work (or vice versa), and being told that they get quality products. In many cases, the price isn't even important as there are ways to "hand them down the chain" by increasing prices or tax deduction - which of course means that the final consumer has to pay the bill, but that approach is not unique to software. I think I don't have to mention how important advertising is, as well as marketing and legal. And software quality can be overruled. Nobody actually cares. The less you can evade MICROS~1 ads, the harder it is not to buy their products. Of course "buy" is the wrong word here; you don't buy anything, you _license_ it, for a certain time, for a fixed set of purposes, with specific restrictions, and everything under control of somebody else. Again, this way of "doing computing" also isn't unique to MICROS~1 products. And again: Nobody actually cares. > > Since their principle target market is the Enterprise, and they aim to > > be able to migrate just about any Enterprise computing system from > > dedicated hardware to their cloud, that means they need to support just > > about all of the different OSes that a variety of different Enterprise > > setups could be using. So they now support a lot of OpenSource OSes. > > Which includes both FreeBSD 10.x and pfsense by the way -- as well as > > all the usual Linux suspects. > > > > Oh, and when I say 'support' that means that you can phone up Microsoft > > about your FreeBSD or pfsense related problems on your Azure VMs, and > > Microsoft are contractually obliged to help you out. > > What if this wonderful "support" consists of some poor guy in India reading > from a script? I am of course going to take Microsoft on in court for breach of > contract... First of all, you agreed to a certain kind of EULA or SLA that probably has some clause like "If we mess up, it's your fault and we're not responsible in any way." (By the way, this "responsibility shifting" can be seen in today's bluescreens where it basically says "Your PC has a problem", not "Windows" or the MICROS~1 program that just crashed.) Not wanting to insult anyone in India, but in an attempt to make this thread less harsh, here's an impression of how the support could be: Hi Breeze, this is the fish calling from Microsoft Support Santro. This is regarding case uhhh, we tree walking on. Uh, I just wanted to know era jitters of yiff yiff?!? Are you still spacing the same problem or rock tool? Uhhh up to my physician. Uh, or changes what you made. Uhm... eh, is this problem is resolved or not, because in application log, honorable disease any father, error, or promoting me to uhm, to uh, replicate repetition problem. I just wanted to know like was this Judith's rag doll? If you uh... eh, unable to send a mail from both sides, or lazy eyed Rasputin on both sides or not. Please feel free call me, are send me emu... email. Okay? Tanks! Thank you very much! Bye, bye! Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-u9B6nouBo Enjoy. :-) > > They did a presentation about all this at the last BSDCan. Plus there are > > two FreeBSD src committers who work for Microsoft, and who are doing a lot > > of work making sure the Hyper-V drivers etc. are all working and performant. > > There have been reports of a FreeBSD VM on azure achieving 37 Gb/s on 40 > > Gb/s hardware for instance. > > I'm glad to hear that FreeBSD is performing so well for them. > > I remember reading somewhere of WhatsApp servicing over 2 million concurrent > connections on one FreeBSD box; the app being written in some dialect of > Erlang IIRC. > > The guy who built WhatsApp bunged the FreeBSD Foundation a million bucks when > he cashed out, by way of thanks. > > Perhaps you could remind me of how much money Microsoft have given us? Imagine that almost every "Windows" computer connected to the Internet connects through a device that runs FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Linux. Of course this doesn't imply any transfer of money, but isn't it nice to know that it's UNIX that makes using "Windows" possible? :-) > The way I found out about it, was by reading an article on The Register > quoting some delusional nonsense from some Microsoft manager who played fast > and loose with the name: FreeBSD(tm). Was it "FreeBSD 10.3 by Microsoft Corporation"? https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/marketplace/partners/microsoft/freebsd103/ Yes, I know, context... ;-) > > Microsoft in its aspect as the global cloud computing company is really > > quite different from Microsoft in its aspect as the PC desktop operating > > system company. > > I disagree with you, Matthew. It's just another cheek of the same arse. It's another division within the same corporation. While divisions often fight for money, direction, or contribution _within_ the corporation, the role they are allowed to take in the overall business activities is probably limited by the overseeing elements of the corporation (CEO and top level management). Some will always be allowed to "play" in order to attract consumers and developers, but those who milk the cash cows are under strict control. Their primary goal is EEE (which is required for continuous growth and rising profits, which is what the shareholders want and need), and any division that may be helpful here will join. There may be different plans on how to achieve the primary goal, the "game" is being played on many fields at the same time. I think this illustration helps a lot: http://ritholtz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/2011.06.27_organizational_charts.png As I mentioned, MICROS~1 arrived late on the "cloud party" and now does the only thing possible: throw money at the problem. They can get mind share, usage share and market share spending "peanuts", accompanied by the "play divisions" that release code on Github or offer "free trials" of development software to software developers. > Their MO has always been "How can we make more money by abusing our > monopoly?". Never like an honest company who say "Let's make life better for > our existing & potential customers and profit is sure to follow". "Better life" is a by-product, a "nice to have", while "customers must be kept as customers" and "make more money next quarter" are the goals. With the money MICROS~1 as a corporation (and Gates as a person) have at hand, making life better for billions of people would surely be easy to do, but that is _not_ what the shareholders want: They want _their_ life to get better, by any means neccessary. > IMO, if they can find their way to giving the Linux Foundation half a million > then they should do the same for the FreeBSD Foundation. If it pays (even if just on the long run), they will do that. > Although, I'd prefer FreeBSD had nothing to do with a bunch of criminals, to > be honest. It's not criminal because everything they do conforms to the law. This is not a problem because their lobbyists helped creating and implementing the law. Even if taken to court and being fined, they rather pay (because they can afford it) than change. It's a simple business decision: Which way is the cheaper one? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 19 08:23:27 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD55C4AC1B for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 08:23:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5DA1A07; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 08:23:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ppp121-45-17-13.bras1.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([121.45.17.13]) by ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 19 Nov 2016 18:48:17 +1030 Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? To: Matthew Seaman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> <20161119000911.GA21050@lime.woodcruft.co.uk> From: Shane Ambler Message-ID: <45433e53-38c3-776a-a3d6-7594974dc4c9@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 18:48:14 +1030 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20161119000911.GA21050@lime.woodcruft.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 08:23:27 -0000 On 19/11/2016 10:39, Frank Shute wrote: > The guy who built WhatsApp bunged the FreeBSD Foundation a million bucks when > he cashed out, by way of thanks. > > Perhaps you could remind me of how much money Microsoft have given us? MS is OpenBSD's first gold sponsor - by donating an undisclosed sum that was between 25,000 and 50,000 - which was "in recognition of it's role in supporting the OpenSSH project" - this appears to be payback for them adding ssh to their windows powershell. For FreeBSD, MS builds and supports a distribution of FreeBSD and contributes some code. I guess the BSD community isn't worth the big fanfare to promote them making a donation. More to the point is that BSD was probably a quiet test bed to see what reaction they would get by starting to contribute to projects in the OSS community. -- FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing Shane Ambler From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 19 11:13:00 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8364EC4AC71 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:13:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Linda@taischuh.com.tw) Received: from taischuh.com.tw (taischuh.com.tw [60.248.227.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3107C17D for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:13:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Linda@taischuh.com.tw) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([154.66.162.163]) by taischuh.com.tw with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:11:38 +0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mr. Farhat Wahli To: "freebsd.org," Reply-To: mr.farhatwahli@yahoo.fr Subject: I would be grateful for your prompt reply. 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If yes, get back to me immediately=2E I would be grateful for your prompt reply=2E Regards Mr=2E Farhat Wahli=2E ( mr=2Efarhatwahli@yahoo=2Efr ) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 19 14:56:27 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15FEC4A798 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 14:56:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C2764A for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 14:56:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39517430 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 20:52:49 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id uAJEuNJl030314 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 21:56:23 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id uAJEuMXT030313 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 21:56:22 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 21:56:22 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hastd operation, stale primary Message-ID: <20161119145622.GA30297@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20161116140613.GA39850@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20161116140613.GA39850@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 14:56:28 -0000 Nobody is using HAST? Victor Sudakov wrote: > > I have read https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/disks-hast.html and > https://wiki.freebsd.org/HAST and still don't understand one thing. > > I configure host1 as "hastctl role primary all" and host2 as > "hastctl role secondary all" > > Then I switch off host1 and configure host2 as > "hastctl role primary all", fsck and mount /dev/hast/test, and write > files to it. So far so good. > > Then I switch on host1 again, unmount /dev/hast/test on host2 and > configure it as "hastctl role secondary all" and host1 as > "hastctl role primary all" again. > > When I mount /dev/hast/test on host1, I see that all the changes to my > files which have been made on host2, are gone!! > > Should not hastd detect that the primary on host1 is stale and > replicate the changes from host2? > > What am I doing wrong? How is host1 supposed to preempt host2 and > inherit the changes made while host2 was primary? > -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 19 16:13:14 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A836C4A61D for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:13:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FE791E3D for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:13:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from becker.bs.l ([85.180.9.209]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue103 [212.227.15.145]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lurx3-1cqQyR3Qy9-0108Jw for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:48:26 +0100 Received: from bsch by becker.bs.l with local (Exim 4.87 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1c87sQ-000DaD-4O for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:48:26 +0100 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:48:26 +0100 From: Bertram Scharpf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: GnuPG Agent crashes Message-ID: <20161119154826.GA51517@becker.bs.l> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) Sender: Bertram Scharpf X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:1bapEYk1IYzbBmAwm0ilg3c9XiTF3pLI7gUglW9xBEJfrTvTPqx Frte08Qb0zSlwAXKOcZMPx9enNsu4NVnOvY/QjAC/3B8w/jNHlP32SURxHCXisYTt7qnOQH lwa2yoP6VbN1i7uZklJrCZghn3cpr2m4va7+e16Y3zOhkjaH+AfeG43/hiwF3EpPHFuY411 sl8vqOlqG5rr0Gly/ODTw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:aoaetoNB/AA=:2xZqa4aNzTe7fg6Ie6wCI6 0W/YSfUJwE0WK6xUA5kALe4FGuc9mdM18pPnmjzEf7+Kgex/UURlrQmgTZ5PoAVx2ApA0+vO3 I1Rkb4gBe/2WGpGkWOKwDg1MtalDO8D+WD5AZT6NSG5T6+/G/7WFZB5o8jOF3A6k4iqOsZx9X SkCxCeTyx2AsottnkTEqNXeEfcOlHoTPLIyfiPlG0YMNf7kLtagpkYtkmKkHB9CFb3Bcdsez7 y+133F5DKC2zEwX3sq7s7thfZGZrIj0ajjsIxZkjy0oVb2SrIY0fpoA0Iq0MkQTruHWW6sIrl 0Ge7tCAEVLBZIsZoqSrrdzEbTl9LG9B1D7Gv4/uBUn362eVuk1kfQS6xAvC90isblK+rjepyW 7PA3FWKqMvkokQsktQqgOTaDqKvysKm6Rogn6nKX+4Dy22mlr+x3U3x4SZr7XIy1Q83bzTRHi GnHgcfh4dus4OcsBA3rmQ0FOaCOSXOKwDP/Vt3PLIZojvUdlew5Z2qDle/LcgALR8TsuANeG4 LUG7A1euC3Vkd69j+n6TSMcVbv1MYzalPxQOSVjA+W9A4ZJdNsTN4WzadQT/OecbYvbBbcl4g tT7ehMHeJAiVPFtObjKTAJMZTIoRSx+a+gLBinhJJh0buzEapJ/o8mSrgjRS6gjh5BOQHipdF D9SkFKPN5/3jRuJGelKNMlB2c5gNebti6Pm3M5ib9rU+gJ67U/YIL6zbGPS3zD93qzp4= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:13:14 -0000 Hi, after a ports update and before I try to fix or report it: $ gpg-agent Assertion failed: (res == 0), function enter_npth, file npth.c, line 123. zsh: abort (core dumped) Who allows such crap to be committed? I'm glad that I did not do a reboot because then I wouldn't be able to read documents essential for my daily work! Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 19 16:26:10 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF659C4AA18 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:26:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp3.irishbroadband.ie (smtp3.irishbroadband.ie [62.231.32.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B705D6DA for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:26:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [89.127.62.20] (helo=smtp.lan.sohara.org) by smtp3.irishbroadband.ie with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1c88Sn-0006Wm-Cr; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:26:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.87 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1c88TI-0004QX-K4; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:26:32 +0000 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:25:55 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Bertram Scharpf Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GnuPG Agent crashes Message-Id: <20161119162555.06b8cbcc6f77799894e7b80f@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20161119154826.GA51517@becker.bs.l> References: <20161119154826.GA51517@becker.bs.l> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:26:11 -0000 On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:48:26 +0100 Bertram Scharpf wrote: > Hi, > > after a ports update and before I try to fix or report it: > > $ gpg-agent > Assertion failed: (res == 0), function enter_npth, file npth.c, line > 123. zsh: abort (core dumped) > > Who allows such crap to be committed? Well there doesn't seem to be a relevant patch in the port so I'd say most likely someone on the gnupg project. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 19 17:24:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B3FC4B845 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 17:24:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-f50.google.com (mail-it0-f50.google.com [209.85.214.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 431762E7E for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 17:21:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-f50.google.com with SMTP id j191so72981415ita.1 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 09:21:17 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=P2UUIWyhdnCcTMJ0BJRKnMp00pSOydkzTv8chHt2GOQ=; b=SLNsgXgNaSBa/ioxQAUv9owSPTzyW8Up3AXULwMkXgwXZCdJGwlL2XrZ66xXW5J2MR XNvmc5LWPYUOfn9Ttoawz7Ns7GrJeR5vBDshPfGGBtSUR8a91er8606LquNGFhSFCJ8C pUazU4iBM7BOK2LjPRCBfpqCfDk4JFcoQYMochqLeZGQ4kcQX0VLsMw+v7mUFqjg7wcn lE2L5HQIk0s9EeFOiWj1a0pxOu9Lq44zv+GkY6XWT9JvGHfrcc0oMIXnmRao6+R1CbCX 8WjzQj+NJ/yz5NzVe4+N/iPujn9G/ALMvPU155+doCQmGHYRIpNhy8T2sVtqrUmEEoEA euLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC01tFduZOFyxSahvM8Gqsutf6paNElVRxH4Idh28EBWubL2L7OdQUKVBmhizUbS4uQ== X-Received: by 10.36.37.140 with SMTP id g134mr3148637itg.30.1479576071341; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 09:21:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from WorkBox.homestead.org (174-30-201-142.mpls.qwest.net. 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Wandersee To: Steve O'Hara-Smith Cc: Bertram Scharpf , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GnuPG Agent crashes In-reply-to: <20161119162555.06b8cbcc6f77799894e7b80f@sohara.org> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:21:11 -0600 Message-ID: <8637in75dk.fsf@WorkBox.homestead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 17:24:24 -0000 Steve O'Hara-Smith writes: > On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:48:26 +0100 > Bertram Scharpf wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> after a ports update and before I try to fix or report it: >> >> $ gpg-agent >> Assertion failed: (res == 0), function enter_npth, file npth.c, line >> 123. zsh: abort (core dumped) >> >> Who allows such crap to be committed? > > Well there doesn't seem to be a relevant patch in the port so I'd > say most likely someone on the gnupg project. It's a known problem, stemming from the GnuPG project. A fix is supposedly on the way.[1] [1]: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=214568 -- :: Brandon J. Wandersee :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: -------------------------------------------------- :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 19 19:16:29 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C627C4BBC4 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:16:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-f51.google.com (mail-it0-f51.google.com [209.85.214.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4E9780A for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:16:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-f51.google.com with SMTP id c20so62163269itb.0 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:16:28 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=qXvdiv/zwnLI3UQcvdMTM3Ws+zaf0cSTiudHS6LGq4s=; b=WGOXISpaN5wawqXIbVqQeC2Kzjsy68gVep2JaP0fv/PR8Fz/50Iihpk0spZ9i/XlCI aHEWoPl2QvCO7/NlKy+qkRMO4ok9hOz7x1XnuYJrBnzDAOZGyAjmymNRCkOHVgoqM5VL e29VkVOCRDL1/1WN5RtBP046SR6ClZFLrWU1yneJN8zt82F12VQKpXvWBup7nu6wxYVQ CkNkh0NZz8VIJC/6bRsTzBf5tdwdloFD4EYq2fe/Byp/qnxk3HY1aAx/fmW63E5er6C0 LHUKAQrcwLeC78WVKExNLyHGqvvNo/3AZe0oZLWpHQ8Y508RvjxDnXRzijMBOMhAc/HN Bw5w== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC01h1hnjXhVdcdLJXch7b4AUTIWovLbRCRsUVD1TQjnKXqWPz0wx0pvgTWxKHGfUGA== X-Received: by 10.36.184.194 with SMTP id m185mr3509575ite.3.1479581338078; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 10:48:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from WorkBox.homestead.org (174-30-201-142.mpls.qwest.net. [174.30.201.142]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n127sm3099312ita.22.2016.11.19.10.48.56 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 19 Nov 2016 10:48:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (WorkBox.homestead.org [local]) by WorkBox.homestead.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id d145ac81; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:48:57 -0600 (CST) References: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> <14047.128.135.52.6.1479482907.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20161118165549.408e9a9f@archlinux.localdomain> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 25.1.1 From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? In-reply-to: <20161118165549.408e9a9f@archlinux.localdomain> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:48:57 -0600 Message-ID: <86zikv5mqu.fsf@WorkBox.homestead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:16:29 -0000 Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions writes: > Conspiracy theories are stupid. Indeed. But this thread is just another example of how these things always go. Satya Nadella could burn every inch of Redmond to ashes, bequeath his personal fortune to HIV research and then hang himself, and people would still fritter away weeks of precious mental effort trying to figure out how it all fit into the grand Microsoft World Domination Plot. Eventually they'd just conclude that Nadella actually didn't really do any of it, but was in reality set up by the NSA in conjunction with Google. The Internet is one big bullshit farm. That's about the only substantive thing anyone can say in discussions like this. -- :: Brandon J. Wandersee :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: -------------------------------------------------- :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 19 19:34:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52028C4B1A3 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:34:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from smtp1.bway.net (smtp1.v6.bway.net [IPv6:2607:d300:1::27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31227135E for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:34:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from gecko4 (host-216-220-115-210.dsl.bway.net [216.220.115.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m1316v@bway.net) by smtp1.bway.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5D63695855; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 14:34:14 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bway.net; s=mail; t=1479584054; bh=6ADtbWldgwfda/gH7FGm2SacQXpDL+oJ2f6h1NRx2kg=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To; b=Jd1fjTkQI4ymQfYY9OZ55v8jhu/4E1WneylNsRlSHUPSEFrPImf79PB9pWaO6xZgO YAw1gVX2gqdgDcnb8TiYROtzkjf2C9864kamkNPDj4bBBVT7PmQ2mK79H9wCKuexwj pPkz1bJNepS/BttRdqL/J4dj8B3MthtUywaPbAU4= Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 14:34:13 -0500 From: mfv To: "Brandon J.Wandersee" Cc: Steve O'Hara-Smith , Bertram Scharpf , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GnuPG Agent crashes Message-ID: <20161119143413.554b34a3@gecko4> In-Reply-To: <8637in75dk.fsf@WorkBox.homestead.org> References: <20161119154826.GA51517@becker.bs.l> <20161119162555.06b8cbcc6f77799894e7b80f@sohara.org> <8637in75dk.fsf@WorkBox.homestead.org> Reply-To: mfv@bway.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:34:24 -0000 > On Sat, 2016-11-19 at 11:21 Brandon J.Wandersee > wrote: > >Steve O'Hara-Smith writes: > >> On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:48:26 +0100 >> Bertram Scharpf wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> after a ports update and before I try to fix or report it: >>> >>> $ gpg-agent >>> Assertion failed: (res == 0), function enter_npth, file npth.c, >>> line 123. zsh: abort (core dumped) >>> >>> Who allows such crap to be committed? >> >> Well there doesn't seem to be a relevant patch in the port >> so I'd say most likely someone on the gnupg project. > >It's a known problem, stemming from the GnuPG project. A fix is >supposedly on the way.[1] > >[1]: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=214568 > Hello, I too have been bitten by this bug, in particular, encrypted emails can no longer be read. According to Bugzilla it appears this issue will not be resolved until the imminent upgraded of gpg to v2.1.16. As a side issue, I've been exploring the use of a smart card to enhance the security of logging in and encrypting files and emails, but this bug has me spooked. Is it correct to assume that if a computer relies on a smart card to log in, it would be inaccessible due to this or similar bugs? I would appreciate any advice on the use of smart cards and pointers for further information. My greatest concern is being locked out; not due to a missing password but due to a software glitch. I suppose a method to access such a computer is to log in as root and wait until the upgrade is available. But if the whole disc is encrypted how is it possible to access it to perform the upgrade? Lastly, is it possible to set up a login to access a long password contained in a file on a USB thumb drive? Cheers ... 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Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:48:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.13.147 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:48:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.28.13.147 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:48:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20161119154826.GA51517@becker.bs.l> References: <20161119154826.GA51517@becker.bs.l> From: Tomek CEDRO Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 20:48:57 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: GnuPG Agent crashes To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:49:00 -0000 the same situation on MacPorts OSX seems to be libgpg-error related :-( -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 19 19:51:14 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03ABC4B796 for ; 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charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:51:14 -0000 i am using gnupg21 on osx with smartcard, this bug crashed not only gpg but also ssh agent. what is more gnupg20 does not seem to recognise gnupg21 keystore so simple rollback leaves you with empty keychain :-( -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 19 21:04:27 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA05C4B951 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 21:04:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from smtp2.bway.net (smtp2.v6.bway.net [IPv6:2607:d300:1::28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE8DD805 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 21:04:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from gecko4 (host-216-220-115-210.dsl.bway.net [216.220.115.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m1316v@bway.net) by smtp2.bway.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A37595853; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:04:17 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bway.net; s=mail; t=1479589457; bh=z5DR0NYGecJTfe7UtVW+9XtG7moFK+iOEE5St2cvISg=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To; b=aPfTpqUgZiiXP8ODOUCgDDAEFwsOopRbJk3M0CKjwm79lf1fm+Gr5+jQSRIM+hu+L n0mJ110+3bE5eiVUxaTeEJKB4b+Oo2WsjnJd6OdlQTbcYCjB8peBsKw8uT0HnaPVEO 5sp8W7/FT9pc1ZonizD3Ohz9aLqd9tDPyzGGlXnc= Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:04:16 -0500 From: mfv To: Tomek CEDRO Cc: Bertram Scharpf , Steve O'Hara-Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Brandon J.Wandersee" Subject: Re: GnuPG Agent crashes Message-ID: <20161119160416.2209ddfa@gecko4> In-Reply-To: References: <20161119154826.GA51517@becker.bs.l> <20161119162555.06b8cbcc6f77799894e7b80f@sohara.org> <8637in75dk.fsf@WorkBox.homestead.org> <20161119143413.554b34a3@gecko4> Reply-To: mfv@bway.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 21:04:27 -0000 > On Sat, 2016-11-19 at 20:51 Tomek CEDRO wrote: > >i am using gnupg21 on osx with smartcard, this bug crashed not only >gpg but also ssh agent. what is more gnupg20 does not seem to >recognise gnupg21 keystore so simple rollback leaves you with empty >keychain :-( > >-- >CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hello Tomek, Thanks for your reply. Are you able to login? Can you access any data? If so, how did you by pass the smart card? Cheers ... 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