From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 27 08:21:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908B837A4E2 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 08:21:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd31.google.com (mail-io1-xd31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BFXp73KN3z4cyT for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 08:21:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd31.google.com with SMTP id a5so803216ioa.13 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 01:21:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=DyczIJ2fjAdSKLDCoYJqimjMcpf8C/1sfejn4Z8HfoQ=; b=ZZGHAQbXolRTy80K9FZoVa8t6b4kMsbT2A1mYq4F5KBbyTcPmHyvbDlhtdHY4yyRz/ u7F2XEQautm0erKsYHDIYGkCQD8p8KPzbu1rf31ElDjXqERlzEomUK2ezxsv6tQRBtBk txMaR1V0kKkgMqtU0B6CN3JrO0vmx/7JsiEPQS8DZC8EtVno/TNoa1UYdCBFlL8xXgfa OL9mbdnzkZMwn6soz7gBkATZ3EpL/94tXY4hmmurO/Hm5/npBO4rs1we7F8fhl9nuCNM eLl6uYvA9o8ab5ZNfjU2YSNh8OJhyTkdApuBDWKReNZvOsG9R9mNGdBjNaqii5dVQW+O qNsw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DyczIJ2fjAdSKLDCoYJqimjMcpf8C/1sfejn4Z8HfoQ=; b=tO7fW91r1TMjFSzQ5w69R3kJjbjhgIpIy6zKy7ZuzLTm+QPm5tGwAh/ZYfxknxC4RH rJzjq25DHbpIuX+b9TIwGYzM/RcPr1eWOxNolLDFljiktgqnFrhql/GSXBay5oDlWqoa 66qRb6Qvve+nVUlb6hZsusTKtSdupgpNmkNS/pryllO4frucBc/WAIQCVJAncKCf98Xl EHwnmMzdGa9fIVNJKhrle416pVGF/r7st4BjFBP+27TN9LZYeeZa3RYlEmH91JW8JTld DZCPuvCkvs29TcP5/JFDxe0uvEK6X2VzDVEPBKffoDB+keW0TLavUKLqS6xzsqF7bQPX c5rg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533B7ffVQIEl/ZJ9HDWMc9NhAliO3V2+nxnQRQSCg1swH6X165bL EltmwLtXOU3LBtaOEIlQ0hfCRGhfjdxbuJu2vkcCQIPV X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx3i7ocLr5HUl5qbmCDuFLHUI6u77wc6qBoqMIxCQ3yoV4v7i0miv1+Rvq/Htzv/qeffY7UvKIeeyvxCiyN1VI= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6602:220f:: with SMTP id n15mr22963802ion.103.1595838094002; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 01:21:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200725162403.GA4721@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200725182554.deffc63058a7c9f6d343ef06@sohara.org> <04df312d-9b2b-1873-2117-79a49e089bd9@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200726063256.GA22924@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200726093909.ee5e14e643d31da4dad5c804@sohara.org> <20200726151835.GA35966@admin.sibptus.ru> <27ca8c6c-6b06-6ad4-7af0-2b88f51a3856@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200726165212.a0ac28ce104b9dfd009cc4c5@sohara.org> <20200727025242.GA48950@admin.sibptus.ru> <04bb7095-3e62-22d7-9db7-cfba3c66247b@kicp.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 04:21:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux To: Yuri Pankov Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BFXp73KN3z4cyT X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=ZZGHAQbX; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.97 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.006]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.018]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.952]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 08:21:36 -0000 On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 4:04 AM Yuri Pankov wrote: > Roderick wrote: > > > > Would be not a good Idea to make a mailing list freebsd-smalltalk? > > > > Examples of Usage: > > > > (a) Ask stupid questions > > > > (b) give stupid answers > > > > (c) speak about Technological advantages over Linux > > > > (d) to be home of a lot of long threads whose main purpose is small > > talk. > > > > Well, the real use would be as spam filter. > > There always was (is) freebsd-chat@ for these purposes, I'm not sure why > the same posters keep spamming freebsd-questions@ with the same long > threads. > You are confusing posters and the OP. The problem is not the "posters" it is the "OP"'s. What I mean is each of these threads is started by a different OP and for different reasons. You are right it is usually the same set of people that reply to the OP but that is *NOT* the same as saying that they are purposely spamming -questions@. The OP often has legitimate questions about the differences between Linux and FreeBSD (or in the case of the thread you're replying to how to defend their preference for FreeBSD's technical merits against co-workers who for whatever reason attempt to make Linux the only Unix-like OS allowed in their organization). Additional even much of the thread might be "noise" on "concrete" technical matters useful and practical issues are often raised in the various subthreads. I can think of two issues that are very legitimate topics for -questions@ (by any definition) being raised (and answered) in this thread for example. The first was helping me diagnose the source (and a partial) solution I had to gtk based on app performance (which would not have been raised in a separate thread since I didn't consider the issues to be upon themselves serious enough to post about as an independent question). I forget the subject matter of the other concrete issue that was solved. All this being said there is a rash of *SOME* of the regular set of posters who say "FreeBSD is not designed for XYZ, don't use it for XYZ use Linux instead" (this is not helpful and is nothing but being a troll). TL; DR -- This thread while annoying to some is appropriate for -questions@ -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org