From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 13:05:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B53C16A4CE; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:05:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from yearning.mcc.ac.uk (yearning.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.203.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C5B43D46; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:05:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by yearning.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1Cx38s-0005Of-54; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:04:58 +0000 Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j14D4u9m011569; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:04:56 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.13.1/8.12.6/Submit) id j14D4tm3011568; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:04:55 GMT Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:04:54 +0000 From: Jonathon McKitrick To: Ted Mittelstaedt Message-ID: <20050204130454.GA11298@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20050203151142.GB96435@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Docs for Berkeley Make? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:05:02 -0000 On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 01:20:02AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: : The difference is in the extra candy, which you really don't need or want : to use anyway, unless the project becomes gigantic. : : There's only a handful of open source projects out there which justify : the extra : fancy crapoola in GNU make, in my experience. Unfortunately there's : far too many of them that require gmake simply because the programmer : became enamored of some gimgaw in gmake that had a high coolness factor. : It is really sad to see software that consists of about 10 source files, : that has a makefile that's so non-standard that it requires gmake. Well, I was just using existing BSD makefiles to learn with. But then I got interested in learning libraries. I'm still trying to find a tool or shortcut for handling sonames the best way. But then I found out we are doing a very large project on Linux. I want to make it work on both RH Linux (the target) and FreeBSD (to work on/use at home, of course). I've been learning about the GNU autotools, which seem very finicky, to say the least, but at the same time I don't have to worry about details, like linux-vs-BSD library details And it would be easy to handle, for instance, the difference between the names of serial ports on the 2 platforms. If this were only for BSD, I'd use the makefile framework. But it's not. And it's going to be a large enough project that I don't have the time to constantly fiddle with makefiles and such. And obviously, this also has to work with CVS. I'm the only developer with *any* real Unix experience, and that's very modest experience, to say the least. Any other ideas I should look into? Jonathon -- The beaten path is for the beaten man.