From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 11 09:54:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10469 for current-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:54:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA10462 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:54:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dyson@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09484; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:53:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dyson) Message-Id: <199802111753.MAA09484@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: merging win95 and nt filesystem changes into msdosfs In-Reply-To: <199802102132.NAA09318@implode.root.com> from David Greenman at "Feb 10, 98 01:32:38 pm" To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:53:47 -0500 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, tlambert@primenet.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, jbryant@unix.tfs.net, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My opinion is slightly different than DG, but with pretty much the same results. We need someone to referee Terry's work. Some of his changes are structurally significant, and I simply do not have the energy or wherewithall to work his stuff in. Seldom are such changes bug-free or problem-free, and I am already 100% committed. Perhaps there are some disagreements on specific changes architecturally, but the eventual direction that Terry is suggesting is correct. If someone who is unbiased and not in an advocacy position who is willing to understand the stuff, and to be appropriately critical, I would be all for what Terry is generally trying to do. At least Terry is trying (and probably doing a pretty good job), but we do need that review process for radical changes. David Greenman said: > >Terry Lambert wrote: > >> Are there any "FS dudes" with commit priviledges out there? (Hey! > >> Why haven't you been fixing these same problems? 8-)). > >> > >> I think this is the problem Jordan. FreeBSD doesn't have any FS dudes > >> (being defined as people who *live* FS code, like McKusick, Heidimann, > >> or, in fact, me [No, I'm not comparing myself to them]). > > > >What is the problem with you having commit priviledges? > > In many cases, Terry's solutions to the problems that he is trying to > solve aren't the ones we want to adopt. There are far more instances where > Kirk McKusick and other people in-the-know have objected to the direction > that Terry wants to take us than there are in favor. Terry's unwillingness > to carefully explain/justify the changes that he proposes in a manor that > reasonable kernel developers can understand has further resulted in a > serious lack of trust. For these reasons it's the unanimous opinion of > the core team that Terry not be given commit privileges. > > -DG > > David Greenman > Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe current" in the body of the message