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Date:      Fri, 09 Sep 2016 01:19:40 -0800
From:      "CK" <un_x@earthlink.net>
To:        <questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   X+webkit = Disgraceful
Message-ID:  <E1biHyX-0006t8-Pb@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

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252M    .
7.6M    ./bash
200k    ./gnome
 31M    ./gnome2
1.6M    ./gnome3
  1M    ./hunspell
1.0M    ./jpeg8d
 13M    ./perl
 10M    ./python
 27M    ./xorg

I just fetched the recursive ports for:

x11/xorg-minimal
x11/xfd x11/xset x11/xterm
x11-fonts/bdftopcf x11-fonts/pcf2bdf
x11-wm/vtwm www/webkit-gtk2

And that doesn't even include a web-browser
(currently looking at surf + xombrero, essentially,
"browsers" that do little more than present a page
from Google's webkit "www-engine"; apparently, the
web is such an enormous piece of shit now that nobody
can code decent web-page rendering anymore [Netsurf
and Dillo seem to have been trying for over a decade]
except for corporate giants - created+controlled by
govt for the purpose of profiting govt and spying on
behalf of govt.  Still keeping Opera 12.16 since it's
pretty much perfect with only a few fatal flaws in
the current web-o-sphere.

250+ MB, 36+ hours of downloading, and I still
can't even view the WWW, graphically.  It's just
fucking disgusting.  In 1996, I didn't even have
a hard drive that big, and my kernel was about
1/2 MB, RAM was 16MB, FreeBSD took about 16MB of
disk space, and I could install everything from a
bunch of floppies, and Xwindow + graphical browser
was just a minor addition - maybe a few MB at most.
And guess what?  THE WEB DOESN'T LOOK ANY BETTER
TODAY THAN THEN (with the exception of server-side
font control - which - apparently, took a whole new
fucking language to fix (CSS) instead of a trivial
fix to the FONT SIZE attribute specification).  I
guess I should say I am no fan of video or residential
high-speed access of the Internet - for without it,
we surely wouldn't have a mess like we have today
(I'd guess it's all porn+entertainment driven).

It's just fucking disgusting.  It's complexity merely
for the sake of complexity - just pure wankerism without
any essential additional quality.

I need ALL OF THIS SHIT just to turn some text and a
few images into pixels?  250+ MB of COMPRESSED code
(expanded, it's surely GBs!!!  BILLIONS OF LINES OF
CODE???)  Whoever is responsible for this needs to
be rounded up and left deserted on some island in the
middle of the ocean.  It's just pure insane.  This
world has lost it's collective mind - and the outcome
will not be pleasant.

PS. my config-recursive tried to disable as much
as possible ... which i am sure will cause
compilation errors ...  and this is not really a
"freebsd" thing, but it is part of the freebsd
ports system ...  no real question here, just
a question people should be asking themselves.

Somebody needs to develop an anti-JS "webkit"
that destroys all of the JS-BS in webpages, and
filters out the essential images+links+functionality,
without regard to placement/organization for those
websites that promulgate this garbage, and aid in
some kind of return to the non-commericialization
of the Internet.  How can this not be seen as a
govt/corporate takeover of the Internet and all
"free" operating systems?  There is no way this
could ever be supported by "free programmers"
developing things "freely", out of their own
desire and love for something of personal
quality+satisfaction.

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