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Date:      Thu, 07 Oct 1999 17:16:37 -0700
From:      Michael Oski <onemo@jps.net>
To:        Mike Steinfeld <mike@sprawlnet.com>
Cc:        stable <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Fw: Roasting Newbies
Message-ID:  <37FD37E4.B1A12A44@jps.net>
References:  <002901bf1133$731937a0$3b51163f@freebsdbox.com.sprawlnet.co>

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Umm, sorry to say this folks, but this has nothing to do with -stable, so...
please carry this on elsewhere.


Mike Steinfeld wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Steinfeld <mike@sprawlnet.com>
> To: Michael Lucas <mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org>
> Cc: stable <stable@FreeBSD.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 7:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies
>
> >
> > Well i just have to let it out.
> >
> > I was asking someone recently , " Is it just me, or Does there appear to
> be
> > alot if idiots ( Lack Of A More Creative Word ) attempting to run FreeBSD
> > Lately "?
> >
> > I remember when i first installed Linux. I thought i was the Baddest mofo
> in
> > town. I mean What kind of crap is that ? After running Linux for awhile, i
> > got a job as a Sys Admin. I always heard so much about FreeBSD, I figured
> > this was my chance to see for myself.
> >
> >  I  guess for me Linux is like the script kiddies play toy and FreeBSD is
> > for System adminstrators who are payed for performance and have found
> > FreeBSD to be the best solution by afar. This is my case.
> >
> > Check the Vibe:
> >   1) feeling out the newbies.
> >                a) Check to make sure the Newbie does not wanna be the
> > elitest SK (Script Kiddie) in town.
> >                b) If there seems like hope that the little SK wants to
> > actually learn something. (Be weary).
> >                c) If your on IRC /whois the SK and see if he is in #warez
> or
> > #linux or the like.
> >                d) If you followed a,b,c and everything seems O.K. it
> > probably is not. But, help SK anyway.
> >                e) If the question pertains to PPP, Linux vs. FreeBSD or
> > nmap. Run VERY FAST erm. wait.
> >                f) As a result of " e) " Do as you wish , Im sure no one
> will
> > care!
> >
> >   2) Handling the Newbie
> >                a) Let go of your Linux SK grudge.
> >                b) seriously folks let your altruistic ways prosper and
> maybe
> > cut him some slack.(whoah !)
> >                c) If the newbie is in fact a "SK" and you know this. Point
> > his ass to back that thing up!
> >                d) Take life a little less serious. If he/she is an ass.
> > Ignore the thread. Well, at least attempt to.
> >                e) Play with the newbie intellectually like he was a ping
> > pong ball in a tournament.
> >                 f) Take a deep breath and hope for the best. ( If that
> works
> > let me know. )
> >
> >   3) Killing/Flaming the newbie.
> >                 a) Make sure this is all that is left to do. ( Choose
> wisely
> > Danielson. )
> >                 b) Get everyone to turn against this prankster, including
> > the bearded guy at the Bus stop.
> >                 c) Join a cult where computer users have grey suits and
> > sniff things to get by the day.
> >                 d) Just tell his mom. ( We all hate that )
> >
> > 4)Conclusion
> >
> > a) As pathetic , simpleminded, and silly as all this sounds. I was raised
> > with repsect. ( Are your diapers on or off ).
> > b) Do we really need to carry on about some inconsistencies and
> > idiosyncratic behavior. ( consume bandwidth.)
> > c) Are we going to feed into the  commercialised Linux movement. And
> pretend
> > that these bastards are going to get away with it. ( oops , anger
> > misplaced.)
> > d)Cant we all just get ( way to old to even say )
> > e) treat people the same way you would want to be treated. ( I  love you
> > Grandma. )
> >
> > people seriously.
> > make a valid attempt to stop being so ridiculous. ( to all that apply, and
> > the ones in denial ).
> >
> > (Newbie, Ver 0.1.1-current)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael Lucas <mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org>
> > To: <dave@allunix.com>
> > Cc: <stable@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 2:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies
> >
> >
> > > IMHO, tensions on the FreeBSD lists are running at their greatest
> > > level since... oh, I'd say mid-96, when I first subscribed to
> > > -questions.
> > >
> > > If a "FreeBSD newbies info page" will help, then I'm all for it.  I
> > > don't see what sort of "ramifications" it could have, other than to
> > > (perhaps) reduce some of the stress all around.
> > >
> > > Everybody needs to take a chill pill.  Perhaps this will help.  If so,
> > > everybody wins.  If not, the next person with a bright idea can try.
> > >
> > > As far as products like VMware go: the big market for FreeBSD is on
> > > the server end.  That's where we've been for years.  There's really
> > > very little desktop BSD, where VMWare's marketed.  Why should a
> > > desktop software manufacturer port to a server OS?  Besides, as you
> > > say, we're fairly close to being able to run VMWare for Linux
> > > ourselves.
> > >
> > > ==ml
> > >
> > > > Mr. Lucas,
> > > >
> > > > I think that you should concider the ramifications of posting that
> > > > particular how to doc on the web.
> > > >
> > > > After all why should the FreeBSD community be bothered by people
> > > > who are not intelligent enough to make sure that they are posting to
> > > > the right thread?
> > > >
> > > > Do we really care that companies like VMWare have no intention of
> > > > porting their commercial software to FreeBSD? After all it is fairly
> > > > easy to add that linux kernel to the BTX loader.
> > > >
> > > > I had the audacity to reply to a recent posting on stable in which I
> > > > stated that the disks which were shipped to me from Walnut Creek
> > > > were not bootable and that this might be related to the problems with
> > > > the iso image. Of course I was promptly flamed. One reader even
> > > > accused me of trying to install the alpha port on my i386 box.
> > > >
> > > > I do appreciate your noble efforts to help the people who, like myself
> > > > are not FreeBSD Guru's and could possibly get frustrated by the OS
> > > > by pointing them in the right direction instead of flaming them with
> > > > the famous but obscure "that is for questions"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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