From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 18:46:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp6.jps.net (smtp6.jps.net [209.63.224.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D71153A0 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:46:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from onemo@jps.net) Received: from jps.net (216-224-148-110.stk.jps.net [216.224.148.110]) by smtp6.jps.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA19457; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37FD37E4.B1A12A44@jps.net> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 17:16:37 -0700 From: Michael Oski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Steinfeld Cc: stable Subject: Re: Fw: Roasting Newbies References: <002901bf1133$731937a0$3b51163f@freebsdbox.com.sprawlnet.co> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Umm, sorry to say this folks, but this has nothing to do with -stable, so... please carry this on elsewhere. Mike Steinfeld wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Steinfeld > To: Michael Lucas > Cc: stable > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies > > > > > Well i just have to let it out. > > > > I was asking someone recently , " Is it just me, or Does there appear to > be > > alot if idiots ( Lack Of A More Creative Word ) attempting to run FreeBSD > > Lately "? > > > > I remember when i first installed Linux. I thought i was the Baddest mofo > in > > town. I mean What kind of crap is that ? After running Linux for awhile, i > > got a job as a Sys Admin. I always heard so much about FreeBSD, I figured > > this was my chance to see for myself. > > > > I guess for me Linux is like the script kiddies play toy and FreeBSD is > > for System adminstrators who are payed for performance and have found > > FreeBSD to be the best solution by afar. This is my case. > > > > Check the Vibe: > > 1) feeling out the newbies. > > a) Check to make sure the Newbie does not wanna be the > > elitest SK (Script Kiddie) in town. > > b) If there seems like hope that the little SK wants to > > actually learn something. (Be weary). > > c) If your on IRC /whois the SK and see if he is in #warez > or > > #linux or the like. > > d) If you followed a,b,c and everything seems O.K. it > > probably is not. But, help SK anyway. > > e) If the question pertains to PPP, Linux vs. FreeBSD or > > nmap. Run VERY FAST erm. wait. > > f) As a result of " e) " Do as you wish , Im sure no one > will > > care! > > > > 2) Handling the Newbie > > a) Let go of your Linux SK grudge. > > b) seriously folks let your altruistic ways prosper and > maybe > > cut him some slack.(whoah !) > > c) If the newbie is in fact a "SK" and you know this. Point > > his ass to back that thing up! > > d) Take life a little less serious. If he/she is an ass. > > Ignore the thread. Well, at least attempt to. > > e) Play with the newbie intellectually like he was a ping > > pong ball in a tournament. > > f) Take a deep breath and hope for the best. ( If that > works > > let me know. ) > > > > 3) Killing/Flaming the newbie. > > a) Make sure this is all that is left to do. ( Choose > wisely > > Danielson. ) > > b) Get everyone to turn against this prankster, including > > the bearded guy at the Bus stop. > > c) Join a cult where computer users have grey suits and > > sniff things to get by the day. > > d) Just tell his mom. ( We all hate that ) > > > > 4)Conclusion > > > > a) As pathetic , simpleminded, and silly as all this sounds. I was raised > > with repsect. ( Are your diapers on or off ). > > b) Do we really need to carry on about some inconsistencies and > > idiosyncratic behavior. ( consume bandwidth.) > > c) Are we going to feed into the commercialised Linux movement. And > pretend > > that these bastards are going to get away with it. ( oops , anger > > misplaced.) > > d)Cant we all just get ( way to old to even say ) > > e) treat people the same way you would want to be treated. ( I love you > > Grandma. ) > > > > people seriously. > > make a valid attempt to stop being so ridiculous. ( to all that apply, and > > the ones in denial ). > > > > (Newbie, Ver 0.1.1-current) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Michael Lucas > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 2:20 PM > > Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies > > > > > > > IMHO, tensions on the FreeBSD lists are running at their greatest > > > level since... oh, I'd say mid-96, when I first subscribed to > > > -questions. > > > > > > If a "FreeBSD newbies info page" will help, then I'm all for it. I > > > don't see what sort of "ramifications" it could have, other than to > > > (perhaps) reduce some of the stress all around. > > > > > > Everybody needs to take a chill pill. Perhaps this will help. If so, > > > everybody wins. If not, the next person with a bright idea can try. > > > > > > As far as products like VMware go: the big market for FreeBSD is on > > > the server end. That's where we've been for years. There's really > > > very little desktop BSD, where VMWare's marketed. Why should a > > > desktop software manufacturer port to a server OS? Besides, as you > > > say, we're fairly close to being able to run VMWare for Linux > > > ourselves. > > > > > > ==ml > > > > > > > Mr. Lucas, > > > > > > > > I think that you should concider the ramifications of posting that > > > > particular how to doc on the web. > > > > > > > > After all why should the FreeBSD community be bothered by people > > > > who are not intelligent enough to make sure that they are posting to > > > > the right thread? > > > > > > > > Do we really care that companies like VMWare have no intention of > > > > porting their commercial software to FreeBSD? After all it is fairly > > > > easy to add that linux kernel to the BTX loader. > > > > > > > > I had the audacity to reply to a recent posting on stable in which I > > > > stated that the disks which were shipped to me from Walnut Creek > > > > were not bootable and that this might be related to the problems with > > > > the iso image. Of course I was promptly flamed. One reader even > > > > accused me of trying to install the alpha port on my i386 box. > > > > > > > > I do appreciate your noble efforts to help the people who, like myself > > > > are not FreeBSD Guru's and could possibly get frustrated by the OS > > > > by pointing them in the right direction instead of flaming them with > > > > the famous but obscure "that is for questions" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message