Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:33:31 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Leftwich <Hostmaster@Video2Video.Com> To: Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com> Cc: Miguel Mendez <flynn@energyhq.homeip.net>, Cliff Sarginson <csfbsd@raggedclown.net>, <freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG>, <chat@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: http://users.uk.freebsd.org/~juha/ Message-ID: <20020306191854.C2150-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net> In-Reply-To: <3C84FC43.607F91E6@mindspring.com>
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On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Terry Lambert wrote:
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> Miguel Mendez wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 12:46:25PM +0100, Cliff Sarginson wrote:
> > > What always bugs me is people who should know better referring to "crackers", as "hackers" :)
That's why I [originally months-ago] used "so-called." ;)
> > Troll, but I'll bite :-)
> > Cracker: salted cookie.
> > Hacker: what you meant as hacker.
> > Cracker is nothing, just a stupid term made up by journalists and clueless people like Suckomu Shimomura. ;-P
Do your research.
> Well, "troll" back at you...
What is this about trolls biting Saltines now?
> A hacker looks, but does not touch; hacking is a result of a curious nature.
Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. The nature of the act of observation
alters what it is you are observing, thus curiosity can crash a system
and/or land your butt in jail near Big Joe's...
> A cracker touches; cracking is a result of poor potty training.
A cracker cracks a safe. A cracker is a "whitey," a "honky" such as
myself. This term has never been offensive to me so get over it *grins*. A
locksmith is a good cracker, good meaning benevolent. A hacker can be good
or bad; a hacker who is "a HACK" is an over-paid under-skilled
coder/programmer. A hacker who hacks code and is very skilled at it is
someone who takes issue and bitches and moans when the media uses the word
"hacker" in the "wrong way." They want the word back, but it is damaged
goods.
This seems to all come down to two ideas: [1] People want "intent" or
"motive" to be part of the noun, just as we have two different words for
those who steal your money: taxman and thief. [2] The Eskimo-like tribe
Ki'illi-Mo%tocka Timbe of the Russian Siberian plains have 13 words for
"dayummn it is phreakin' cold out today!"
> A hacker learns in order to learn. A cracker learns in order to exploit.
{Well said!! Although some crackers just forgot their password to a zip
disk or zip file or M$FT Office file...}
> Any true hacker has a Bushido-style sense of honor. A hacker is a Samurai.
> Crackers generally have no honor. A cracker is Ronin.
Ronin?
> Ken Thompson is a hacker. Dennis Ritchie is a hacker. Kirk McKusick is a hacker.
I'm glad you didn't mention Kevin Mitnick. So I will: Kevin Mitnick is a god.
> The term "cracker" was not chosen lightly; it was chosen
> by hackers, not by journalists. "Cracking" intentionally
> implies breakage, damage, or exploitation of some kind.
>
> In fact, it is journalists who use the terms as if they
> were the same thing, which pisses hackers off immensely,
> and delights crackers no end, in the same way that a
> person who habitually wore black in order to impersonate
> a tortured young artist would be delighted to be mistaken
> for one.
>
> The "freebsd-hackers" mailing list was named correctly,
> even if some idiots don't get the point and post asking
> for "W4R3Z" occasionally. We usually point them to the
> top "W4R3Z" site on the net, one so secret it has no DNS
> name: 127.0.0.1.
>
> And no, we aren't going to change the FreeBSD mascot to
> something other than the BSD Daemon, thanks.
>
> And yes, we have all your personal information on file,
> we just aren't going to do anything with it. 8-).
>
> -- Terry
I'm done. Sorry about the chubby headers; one day I will shift back to
saving originals and sent-mail and not just sent-mail ;-\
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