From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jan 10 21:37:28 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3216ECA9060 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 21:37:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay10.qsc.de (mailrelay10.qsc.de [212.99.163.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A062F1243 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 21:37:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay10.qsc.de; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 22:37:29 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-83-137.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.83.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 792793CBF9; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 22:37:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v0ALbGtM002036; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 22:37:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 22:37:16 +0100 From: Polytropon To: swjatoslaw gerus Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: more etc/wpa* and rtc.conf-1 Message-Id: <20170110223716.80190211.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1484078051.3677995.843490777.394E882F@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1483454858.4190708.835937993.300F2713@webmail.messagingengine.com> <861swjx6mv.fsf@WorkBox.homestead.org> <1483475176.874533.836320369.7B612577@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20170103214548.1d726a06.freebsd@edvax.de> <1483564140.1178887.837521761.7D1930C8@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20170105004510.44e54ddc.freebsd@edvax.de> <1483639288.1431717.838467905.64F6B28C@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20170105193234.37780fbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <1483644016.1447892.838558553.55CAAF02@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20170105204020.73eb19f1.freebsd@edvax.de> <1483648277.1462181.838634977.0F96BE41@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20170105220725.2022bbbd.freebsd@edvax.de> <1483719401.1709945.839480929.51C6A762@webmail.messagingengine.com> <902ba502-8c0b-0eaa-ef88-759278d55cc2@bsdproject.de> <1484075508.3668815.843446345.5B026C57@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20170110203521.ac271bef.freebsd@edvax.de> <1484078051.3677995.843490777.394E882F@webmail.messagingengine.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay10.qsc.de with DF4F968343F X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.2260 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 21:37:28 -0000 On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 20:54:11 +0100, swjatoslaw gerus wrote: > Discussion is ended .Author have not any demand for freebsd and > solaris They are not officially supported by those who run the WLAN you want to connect to. If you are not able to configure a real UNIX system to properly connect (which is possible), you need to stick with what they want you to use and give up your individual choice on that topic. It's up to you to do so, nobody forces you to use software that you don't like - except when you start working, then you have to do whatever your boss tells you to do. ;-) > They are both not adressed mobile communication 16 hours per day Nonsense. I actually have two (!) laptops which are online via WLAN 24 hours per day. Claim falsified. > They both have not dedicated command for Wireless Communication > as iwconfig ,only subset in ifconfig Because it is not needed to stuff everything into one monolithic command. That is the basis of FreeBSD as a versatile (!) operating system. > They both adressed sysadmin with 100 users SAP ,Oracle ,100 TB ,which > used wlan 3% Nonsense. Guess what? I made an experiment today. I borrowed my neighbor's son. He's 15 years old and uses Linux for about a year now. I gave him the access data for my WLAN and a FreeBSD laptop (installed from scratch), and I opened my web browser with the relevant FreeBSD handbook pages. After a few minor questions, he was able to get connected in less than 30 minutes! What did he de? Basically what the handbook said, plus a few advices and from my side (like hints that "ee" is the default editor, or that manpages can be checked without online connection). I don't want to make any implication or insult with this statement. It just falsifies your claim and provides a refreshing counterpart to today's common "click & grunt" dumbphone generation. ;-) > And not planned to have any understanding of both -Solaris and > Freebsd Allow me to answer by quoting Andrew Carnegie: He that cannot reason is a fool. He that will not is a bigot. He that dare not is a slave. I may add that a fundamental understanding of the working of modern day technology (such as wireless networks and computers, their software, and how to use them) should not be foreign to anyone attending university. I hope that does not reflect your general mindset regarding science, research, learning and understanding. ;-) > No any relation to software industry You have, if you want or not. Software defines our lives. And your urge to be on WLAN for 18 hours per day proves you wrong. Richard Feynman: "What I cannot create, I do not understand." And what you don't understand will finally control you. Good luck. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...