From owner-freebsd-arch Fri Feb 16 9:42:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A7C37B699 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:41:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.2/8.9.3) id f1GHf0A97803; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:41:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:41:00 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200102161741.f1GHf0A97803@earth.backplane.com> To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , Mark Murray , arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: List of things to move from main tree to ports (was Re: Wish List (was: Re: The /usr/bin/games bikeshed again)) References: <200102161508.f1GF8DR28339@cwsys.cwsent.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :In message , Dag-Erling Smorgrav :writes: :> Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group writes: :> > Rdist was also discussed. Rdist5, rdist6, and rsync should share the :> > same status. Some of us have vendor and FreeBSD systems, use rdist5. :> > Others use Linux and FreeBSD system, use rdist6. Others, like myself, :> > use rsync. Too bad this discussion just fizzled out with no decision. :> :> I wouldn't be sorry to see the r* utilities (rsh, rcp, rmt...) :> disappear either. : :Good idea. I've advocated removing all non-encrypting services and :making them ports, like "r" commands, telnet, ftp, etc., because we :have much better solutions like SSH and apache which are not only more :secure but firewall friendly, however I won't go there, as it is yet :another bikeshed that gets too many people upset. : :Someone should put together an plan, however that would get mired down :in the bikeshed syndrome. (My apologies for the cynicism -- it's been :a bad year). : :Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 :Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Well, lets at least get rid of the ones that don't cause controversy (I'd like telnet to stay too.. I use it all the time for debugging things like sendmail). I agree completely in regards to Kerberos IV. Nobody in their right mind should be using it any more so it should definitely become a port. Lets see if we can put together a list of things can be moved to ports that is not too controversial: * All games except fortune * UUCP * Kerberos IV The more controversial ones: * rdist * rmt * rcp, rlogin, rsh Extremely controversial: * telnet (i.e. its too useful to have around for other purposes) The main issue with removing something like rcp or rsh is that, by default, our openssh is not compiled with the 'none' cipher, so it's impossible to use it when non-encrypted data content is desired. Sometimes speed is more important then encryption. (I dont use rcp or rsh myself, but while at BEST I had on ocassion needed to use 'ssh -c none' and that required recompiling ssh). -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message