Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:30:12 -0700 From: Devin Teske <devin.teske@fisglobal.com> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: olli hauer <ohauer@gmx.de>, Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Boot Loader Menu Message-ID: <4EA5C2FF-ABFA-4BA6-95CA-8E722F91999E@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: <564537F0-8BB5-4036-8A81-0A3D0B179489@bsdimp.com> References: <0655B56F-AD43-402B-872C-568378E650F9@fisglobal.com> <5071D6B5.1010609@FreeBSD.org> <B4A82131-4B11-4FE8-839B-FCC45C1D4445@fisglobal.com> <50726C73.10506@FreeBSD.org> <D776ABE7-6C46-4C66-8C6E-159BCD61761F@fisglobal.com> <50732CB1.9080900@gmx.de> <71571815-CBF3-4B16-BA77-2828B8BA613C@fisglobal.com> <564537F0-8BB5-4036-8A81-0A3D0B179489@bsdimp.com>
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On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >=20 > On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Devin Teske wrote: >=20 >> =85Re-adding the list=85 >>=20 >> On Oct 8, 2012, at 12:42 PM, olli hauer wrote: >>=20 >>> ... >>>=20 >>>> You'll also get zero argument out of me that putting "Delete" on-scree= n is not only to-be-avoided for the opposing situation (that some keyboards= may not have a "Delete" but instead "Backspace") but indeed "Delete" is wo= rse because the implied connotation associated with the "Delete" key (_some= one_ might be confused into thinking "Delete" will purge the menu from memo= ry). >>>>=20 >>>> I will play with keycodes. >>>>=20 >>>> Just be aware that currently left arrow CANNOT work. That is a bad sug= gestion (read why below). >>>>=20 >>>> In Forth, I'm using the "key" primitive which -- rather unfortunately = -- produces a zero for "left-arrow", "right-arrow", "up-arrow", "down-arrow= ", "F1", "F2", "F3", "F4", "F5", "F6", "F7", "F8", "F9", and "F10" (note: i= t doesn't catch "F11", "F12", "F13", "F14", "F15", or "F16"). >>>>=20 >>>> So all those key options are right-out when it comes to "using them in= stead of Backspace" (I simply can't identify in the loader when those keys = are pressed). >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ... >>>=20 >>> will the space key work for a general back to or up one entry? >>> I suspect the space bar has the same keycode on all platforms (intel/ap= pel/ppc/sparc ...) >>>=20 >>> Anyway nice work :) >>>=20 >>=20 >> By golly, I think olli is on to something here! >>=20 >> What does everybody think about space? >>=20 >> I like it because it's a NICE BIG TARGET (and it's not used by anything = else). >=20 > space usually doesn't mean backup to most users. It usually means go for= ward or select, so this is a poor match to what other systems do and theref= ore to what one might expect joe-random-person to expect. >=20 Ok, space is out. *thinks* Ok, "b for back" is out because "b" on the main menu is boot (even if not h= ighlighted -- see menu.rc keycode[1] and corresponding ascii(7), decimal 'b= ' is 98). Ok, space, any F# keys, any arrow keys, and backspace are also out. Hmmm=85 I'm looking at my keyboard and nothing really sticks out. 'M' perhaps for "Back to [M]ain Menu" --=20 Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message an= d all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any ma= nner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware= that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and revie= w by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you.
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