From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 27 14:35:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6275337B400 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05CC043E3B for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:35:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0470.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.193.215] helo=mindspring.com) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17jnz0-000610-00; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:34:42 -0700 Message-ID: <3D6BF026.D7A055CD@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:33:27 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Hayes Cc: Lawrence Sica , Giorgos Keramidas , Ceri Davies , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? References: <200208272038.g7RKcc194633@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dave Hayes wrote: > Lawrence Sica writes: > > One needs a zen approach to trolls. > > The only zen you need is the zen you think about. A strange sentiment, for someone who quotes Ch'an Master Yangqui, does not attribute the quote, and yet claims that there exists a ying/yang relationship between communities and trolls. The freedom to speak is not a guarantee of an audience, nor is life zero-sum, such that one must tolerate fools gladly in order to walk the eightfold path. It seems to me that trolls are people who believe in zero-sum games being the norm, to the point that they believe that for their advocated position to win, all other positions must lose. This is a mistake, and they need to lose their Ayn Rand inspired Objectivist philosophy of the inherent selfishness of humanity, and, for lack of a better metaphor, "grow up". Tell Bill and Thomas "Hi", and "No thanks". -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message