From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 3 15:13:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A9E1065672; Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:13:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@FreeBSD.org) Received: from citadel.icyb.net.ua (citadel.icyb.net.ua [212.40.38.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760A18FC13; Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from odyssey.starpoint.kiev.ua (alpha-e.starpoint.kiev.ua [212.40.38.101]) by citadel.icyb.net.ua (8.8.8p3/ICyb-2.3exp) with ESMTP id SAA15788; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:13:50 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from avg@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <4DE8FA2E.4030202@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:13:50 +0300 From: Andriy Gapon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110504 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [poll / rfc] kdb_stop_cpus X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:13:53 -0000 I wonder if anybody uses kdb_stop_cpus with non-default value. If, yes, I am very interested to learn about your usecase for it. I think that the default kdb behavior is the correct one, so it doesn't make sense to have a knob to turn on incorrect behavior. But I may be missing something obvious. The comment in the code doesn't really satisfy me: /* * Flag indicating whether or not to IPI the other CPUs to stop them on * entering the debugger. Sometimes, this will result in a deadlock as * stop_cpus() waits for the other cpus to stop, so we allow it to be * disabled. In order to maximize the chances of success, use a hard * stop for that. */ The hard stop should be sufficiently mighty. Yes, I am aware of supposedly extremely rare situations where a deadlock could happen even when using hard stop. But I'd rather fix that than have this switch. Oh, the commit message (from 2004) explains it: > Add a new sysctl, debug.kdb.stop_cpus, which controls whether or not we > attempt to IPI other cpus when entering the debugger in order to stop > them while in the debugger. The default remains to issue the stop; > however, that can result in a hang if another cpu has interrupts disabled > and is spinning, since the IPI won't be received and the KDB will wait > indefinitely. We probably need to add a timeout, but this is a useful > stopgap in the mean time. But that was before we started using hard stop in this context (in 2009). -- Andriy Gapon