From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 19 20:57:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7037C16A4CE for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:57:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05D343D1F for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:57:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jasonrcrawford@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so560421rne for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:57:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=j0WTi8G8ZTORjVl1j+8TcF+pCg30lxgkPFZeaMvyiwxRxMd8tDKQuO+czZtO5ZnS5GKfBxFKQhOtjQDb8ZyIylxZjQ6y1xMsQI96fuXGJo2JDP7TM9FuXgRPepq8mzOxrM3zr5soUMKb8/DnI7bkX0santxVkLEk7LMmOMesxWY= Received: by 10.38.12.26 with SMTP id 26mr3503648rnl; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:57:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.152.34 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:57:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5d683828050319125764c86e66@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:57:14 -0500 From: Jason Crawford To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <5d683828050319125144d78223@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200503191743.j2JHhW1u024795@cvs.openbsd.org> <423C7EB1.9060704@samsco.org> <423C86A6.5020203@samsco.org> <18f601940503191222d7aa2ec@mail.gmail.com> <423C8AA7.8010104@samsco.org> <5d683828050319125144d78223@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Fwd: Adaptec AAC raid support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jason Crawford List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:57:15 -0000 Sorry, forgot you guys too! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jason Crawford Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:51:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Adaptec AAC raid support To: Scott Long Cc: Aaron Glenn , Adam , Theo de Raadt , misc@openbsd.org, "Richardson, Doug" So is this Adaptec's official stance? They don't care about a community that aquires for over 1,800 Adaptec raid controllers? I believe that's only AAC raid controllers, not to mention all the other ones Adaptec offers. If they don't care about us, then I've officially closed my doors perminetly on Adaptec, and will NEVER buy another Adaptec product. I will also do everything in my power to make sure any company I work for NEVER buys one either. Why should I care about a hardware vendor that doesn't care about me, the customer? So long Adaptec. Jason On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:25:11 -0700, Scott Long wrote: > Aaron Glenn wrote: > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:08:06 -0700, Scott Long wrote: > > > >>Why is it so important to drag your users into your political fights > >>by depriving them of stuff that works now but isn't exactly everything > >>that you want? > > > > > > We go along willingly, thank you. > > > > When I deploy something in production I do my very best not to > > compromise and settle. Yeah, compromise is a part of life...blah blah. > > Why should I compromise when there are alternatives? Why should I > > continue to buy and use Adaptec products when there are alternatives? > > Why does Adaptec think it can get away with simply ignoring customers? > > Are we asking for the moon here? Other companies don't have to hide > > behind NDA's on simple things like RAID management software - why does > > Adaptec? > > > > > > aaron.glenn > > Why do you think Adaptec should care about an OS that only has a small > fraction of a market share compared to Windows and Linux, and a leader > who likes to antagonize everyone? Not that FreeBSD is much bigger, but > I'm thrilled that they let me work on the driver and port the apps. I > would have been happy to share if asked. > > Scott > >