Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:32:02 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> To: NAKAGAWA Yoshihisa <y-nakaga@nwsl.mesh.ad.jp> Cc: Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>, Motoyuki Konno <motoyuki@FreeBSD.ORG>, Philippe CASIDY <pcasidy@worldnet.fr>, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which LAN PCCARD for FreeBSD (no PAO!) Message-ID: <37288.922660322@zippy.cdrom.com> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:03:36 %2B0900." <199903281603.BAA00642@chandra.eatell.msr.prug.or.jp>
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If I might step in here for a moment... It sounds to me like we're looking at the tail end of a long-standing communications problem, and we probably need to work on resolving it as the first order of business before even necessarily discussing code and what needs to be done with it. It's not even a particularly easy problem to solve, and I'm open to suggestions on it. When I went to Japan last year to discuss these and other issues with the PAO team, for example, I returned with an agreement that Tatsumi Hosokawa should be given commit priviledges immediately in order to begin a "closer relationship" as far as the PAO stuff is concerned. I returned, I got Tatsumi commit priviledges and, as far as I've been able to see, absolutely nothing happened after that. Whoops. Do I blame Tatsumi for this? No. Who I blame is myself for not setting up a decent framework for future communications, and I can almost see from here exactly what happened: Tatsumi got his commit priviledges and a mountain of other work to do somewhat simultaneously, our best-laid plans then falling apart due to over-committment among the various people involved (including myself). Once that happened, the total lack of communication only further lent the impression that everyone had lost interest again since clearly nothing was happening. We didn't go into "problem solving" mode with it and try and figure out how best to make it happen without Tatsumi-san, we just let the communications barrier drop back into place and went on to other things. I think we need to convene a periodic "working group meeting" if we want to make real progress here, and I'm willing to fly to Japan a couple of times a year if that's what it takes to foster closer cooperation between the teams. Once we get enough interest generated on this side of the Pacific, I'm even willing to do the opposite and fly some of the Japanese folks over here to meet with their U.S. counterparts (and, if we've get some significant PAO stuff going in Europe/Australia, we'll bring them over too). That meeting in Japan seemed very promising, but we didn't follow it up with another one to make sure that everything we'd discussed was actually happening and on track. We need to do better at following up. We've also got the USENIX Annual Technical conference event coming up which should bring a lot of these people together, including the newconfig folks given that they're presenting a paper on it in the FREENIX track. I think the various core folk who are interested in this simply need to attend that talk and discuss what newconfig has become and what its overall goals are with the presenters afterwards, seeing for themselves if it's truly everything people here seem to think it is (and is not). I don't think it's accurate to say that there's "no interest" here in what the Japanese folks have done, simply a lot of ignorance as to what specifically it *is* that they have done. :-) Each and every one of you who's going to be at USENIX should therefore make a point of contacting me once you arrive in Monterey, CA. I'll be at the Doubletree hotel (where the conference is actually taking place, so that should be easy to remember) and you should definitely check in with me anyway if you're presenting a paper since I'll need to check you off my list of people not to send a search party after if you don't show up (ah, the joys of chairing the FREENIX track). Somewhat on a similar but not directly related topic, I think it's time to hold another FreeBSD PR event in Japan. Wasn't Satoshi going to speak at the next one, even? I seem to remember that he agreed to, anyway, and I'd be happy to go along and say a few words as well. I'd also welcome suggestions on where to hold it; please contact me off the list if you've some ideas and we'll discuss projected costs, staffing requirements, etc. Thanks! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message
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