From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 22:33:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAFA1065673 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:33:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm20-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm20-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D75058FC0C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2012 22:19:39 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.217] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2012 22:19:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2012 22:19:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 610649.90101.bm@omp1026.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16380 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2012 22:19:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1325542778; bh=z510fDyIm/sx7wq9BsHHR3+dp3XxaOHnjlM5oLboalM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fCM4Tf9V1L9xND8NWL24SA+B4M5BaXLTT5IvMBv6vmESFdKW/B0R2VonZiKVPkcqIy2gwbGJO9pSTRQWqEtdeDdiIF/UJzpFy1d4aHsIjM0aYBYHgjyXiKBfVCMnvcLl2a9/NulwoAixvNBrvM2BnHDDzmyAcZl55C2t7rltONU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=h+lO5opbP7BUXxPkKHjQmnL5A7L/HdcN7rluQLMT2Nu14F5kGy2QBzjw1094Q0uHi/UZIadm5TZfyCXOsUdKIEh7K3ih9gVUQU4Zr83v1rVf+vgMv52DTpFreRXMDqBmxCWkXBSvxX2oixm21WRn1eZkd/wZHEfLvbMdos8l7ns=; X-YMail-OSG: W1kdaVoVM1lceY6P0.tEK.RD4285ZSrZsilvwEJJwc9.O_b TVJnF7pNe8qXfTVcGvze5aYHgSSItT7HbWfW4qFeSeIBAQi9af1pD1FG3SQG JLkA37UzkdQaSxnFhscsysXxVR2mf1DNWiT8SrN.J_EBmIedDJAg0gK.Nla0 ye4UpGfCBO44b3KRll_sWtathZEIZkh0Nm.0MGR4tJTba7896Svqbj_Yjna7 HFTP7uUuuJX6qHVTy.MX9Nwp7Q8.cDkAG3YCaFNDFayD0YSPPqdBYs0X6scA oIBCDODi5kGYtqCREf2w2TqbZgJTVTm1hja0Jxf.bMa.Gp_lfOsg9Cd5ziB3 KonPgH93MVrWvllEU_5xfZMIYyUm149X3S12AKtzKfMimpaYKxq2.YkWDZQ0 1HAFE9SQ4Lut0llbedD3hGdg1jnvl9DQFetdJ9n2HvWU.RwHfwXx89x2EZd8 T.ywOuDI- Received: from [98.203.44.66] by web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:19:38 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <201112302138.pBULcZfw076474@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <4F01B81E.1070802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1325542778.15616.YahooMailNeo@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:19:38 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Tillman To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <4F01B81E.1070802@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: mailing list and personal assaults X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bill Tillman List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:33:35 -0000 =0A=A0=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom: Johan Hendriks = =0ATo: FreeBSD =0AS= ent: Monday, January 2, 2012 8:58 AM=0ASubject: mailing list and personal a= ssaults=0A=0A=0AI as a normal sys admin like to read the mailing lists, bec= ause it learned me a lot, and it still does.=0A=0ABut lately it looks like = more and more people get personal!=0AThe word ass, has passed this year eve= n more=A0 then i used my own.=0A=0AMaybe it is the time we live in, but ple= ase !=0AIf you are not agree with someone's statement or thoughts, ignore i= t or write your thoughts and be done with it.=0A=0Aregards=0AJohan=0A=0A___= ____________________________________________=0Afreebsd-questions@freebsd.or= g mailing list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-question= s=0ATo unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= .org"=0A=0A=0AI agree.=A0A=A0mailing list like this should not=A0fall to th= e lowest common denominator. And I would like to add that while this commun= ity seems to be an exception,=A0far too often someone=A0wastes bandwidth an= d bytes by telling the person with=A0a question to RTFM. I=A0just=A0finishe= d a rather complicated project which took me days to resolve and several ti= mes when I asked=A0questions there was always some wise crack at hand who w= ould make the commen that "if you just RTFM" everything would be=A0fine. In= this case the manuals were lacking and most of the data was obselete or ir= relavent to the project I was conducting....kind of like FreeBSD documentat= ion.