From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jul 19 11:10:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA04174 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 11:10:43 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA04168 ; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 11:10:42 -0700 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA18636 ; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 11:10:36 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA09411; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:09:08 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 19 Jul 95 13:09 CDT Received: by venus.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 19 Jul 95 13:09 CDT Message-Id: Subject: Re: What people are doing with FBSD To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:09:05 -0500 (CDT) From: "Karl Denninger, MCSNet" Cc: hsu@cs.hut.fi, jmacd@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <9507191742.AA28329@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Jul 19, 95 11:42:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2225 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > There are other more subtle reasons, but those are far enough. > > I'd like to hear the subtle ones 8^). I think the only one of merit > that I've seen above is stability, and that's only tangential to > installation. > > > We currently use about 15 PC's running FreeBSD as routers and servers, but > > the user workstations and personnel's home machines are Linux. The main > > reasons for using FreeBSD here is Linux networking code (sigh) and > > non-existant source management, and probably some history. FreeBSD gets > > hurt badly by unstability, not much change to "sell" FreeBSD to anyone as > > long as the longest uptimes are weeks. > > Clearly, the BSD folks are more than willing to try to resolve *ANY* > stability issue you might have; the biggest problem is that they remain > unreported, and you can't fix a bug you aren't told about. > > > Regards, > Terry Lambert Ours don't remain unreported :-) On the other hand, I have to second what Terry says. I've received a number of suggestions, things to try, and even guesses in the wind about the problems I've reported. Yes, I still have some problems with stability. But we *are* getting closer and making progress, and the list of exceptions at present with FreeBSD is down to *TWO*. Considering that BSDI has a longer list than that, some of which have remained open for a long time, and Linux is the patch-of-the-hour club IMHO, there is no way these compare. I happen to personally HATE the installer that FreeBSD uses, as adding disks to an existing system is a real bitch of a job the way they do things. The nice (and it IS nice) installer that you get when you boot disk #1 is not available once you have it up, and that's really too bad -- if FreeBSD had a nice, clean disk partitioning and labelling tool I'd be in hog heaven right now. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity Modem: [+1 312 248-0900] | (shell, PPP, SLIP, leased) in Chicagoland Voice: [+1 312 248-8649] | 7 Chicagoland POPs, ISDN, 28.8, much more Fax: [+1 312 248-9865] | Email to "info@mcs.net" WWW: http://www.mcs.net ISDN - Get it here TODAY! | Home of Chicago's only FULL AP Clarinet feed!