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Date:      Thu, 6 Jan 2011 09:07:33 -0500
From:      Diane Bruce <db@db.net>
To:        "Sean C. Farley" <scf@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        arch@FreeBSD.org, Andrey Chernov <ache@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Re: Linux kernel compatability
Message-ID:  <20110106140733.GA90903@night.db.net>
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Bleh! Bleh! what a rash of comments!

On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 07:16:19AM -0600, Sean C. Farley wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2011, Andrey Chernov wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 12:40:45PM -0500, Alexander Kabaev wrote:
> >>>I have heard this argument about the linuxulator and what we're 

I have always found the linuxulator handy for converting the no-so-zealot
linuxer into trying FreeBSD. "You can continue to run your old binaries
for a time". Ditto for the extfs support.

> >>>really talking about is slipping FreeBSD marketshare.  I don't share 
...
> >>>not justify an independent FreeBSD effort.  Adobe is a good example 
> >>>of this.
> >>
> >>It compounded the Adobe's reluctance to work on portable flash player.
> >
> >I agree with Alexander even more. We don't need _any_ Linux emulator 
> >in the tree and even in the ports. Flash player is a good example of 

Ok, if the linuxulator is trivial, easy to do sure. Run a linux binary.
The same way it would be nice to run an OSX binary, or a solaris binary,
or a whatever. OSX is problematical for the graphics of course, but for
plain ol' binaries, why not?

I might also point out that the earliest versions of Unix were capable of
running RT-11 binaries. (Thanks to UoT, hi Henry if you are reading!)
I believe it was done so the RT-11 dungeo.exe could be run on unix. ;-)

> >how Linux emulator is harmful: instead of sending tons of complaints 
> >to Adobe to force them to make native FreeBSD version, users tends to 
> >install Flash via emulator and got all its pain as result.

But they don't even seem to care about the linux binary either. From what
I have been hearing, they still have problems with that one.

> 
> Well, there have been some requests[1] sent to Adobe for a native 
> version especially after running Flash through emulation.  This is even 
> after having to register to vote or attach a comment for the bug.  It is 
> the fourth most popular Flash bug.

Adobe was a bad example. I believe they only care about Windows and OSX.
I bet they get paid real money for that work. 

...

> >BTW, I have nothing against having source level Linux compatibility in
> >some places, because resulting binary will be FreeBSD one in any case, but
> >I'm strongly against executable binary compatibility level.

Provided it is useful as a bridge for users converting from linux
to FreeBSD or to prompt work on a native version, I think it is fine.
I think you are throwing out the baby with the h2o.

- Diane
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- db@FreeBSD.org db@db.net http://www.db.net/~db



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