Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:58:17 +0100 (CET) From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> To: Drew Baxter <netmonger@genesis.ispace.com> Cc: David Kelly <dkelly@hiwaay.net>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: This just in: Microsoft/Sears Merger Message-ID: <XFMail.981223165817.asmodai@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981223005658.00b44ee0@genesis.ispace.com>
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On 23-Dec-98 Drew Baxter wrote: > I didn't say I agree with the MCSE programs and the CNE/CNA Novell > programs. I could have gone for my MCSE a while ago, I just don't see the > point in paying a few grand (I think something to the tune of 5 grand) to > take certification on something that isn't going to directly affect where I > am. I've worked at the school for 3 years so far, and just finally now I'm > actually going to see pay from it. If they pay me 18,500$ a year, then I'm > happy in that position.. Then I can always migrate toward Mass, and work > toward the 45-65K/yr for a 'UNIX Geek'. Consider where I work now a > 'proving ground'. > > Surprisingly my 250 user copy of Intranetware (of which was a lovely 1000 > dollars from Novell) came with a CD for Unix services. All in all Novell > is an interesting NOS, the problem I see is, it can be rather complex. > Perhaps that's why people go to NT, anyone can point and click, and a basic > network admin can develop a small business network with ease. My Netware > Experience was so-so, I found running Samba a little more realistic for the > cause really, the cause being file sharing. NetWare found it's core with UnixWare and NetWare, they decided upon some integration prior to selling off UnixWare to SCO. The lamest thing is that Novell is still so close to DOS that even NLMs (NetWare Loadable Modules) are still 8.3 fixed. Also, despite it's multitasking/multithreading model it doesn't have a kill equivalent command. > I'd be interested to hear why you chose to be a Novell guy instead of > something else though. OK, weird story... I used to hack away as a kid on a Commodore 64 back in the old days. When the rest of the world started to use PC's, I stuck to 95% Amiga and 5% Apple. Windows (2.x/3.x) sucked in those days compared to these two. Then after some years I finally found out that CS studies existed, else I would have became a DTP artist. So I started, last year with my study and met this thing called Solaris. I found a part-time job in february at the HQ of a national temporary employment agency/job coaching company. I started to hate my education more and more (ye see, in the Netherlands they are merging most real computer science educations with more and more economical crap), and as soon as I got verified that networks would constitute for about 1% max for the remainder of my 3 years at that school I decided to quit and started to work for the company I worked for as part-timer. I am now one of their network/security lads and I have to say that these last 6 months taught me way more than school could ever teach me. I will start evening courses somewhere in September just to get that paper though. Back in school I had, during the first 2-3 months, the idea to become MCSE. Nowadays I hate most Microsoft crap with a dedication. The reason? Because I have seen things like Linux and *BSD's and _know_ that MS stuff it unacceptable. You should hear us when we are forced to work with Word because that's what our co-workers use. Our FreeBSD boxen have nice names too: killbill, devil, diehard, freebee, barkley. And Novell is the NOS that's pre-dominant in our national network (thank god). I have seen the NT boxen being used for out intranet and it ain't pretty. The Apache server on freebee surpasses it by a factor 4. I have to say that Novell rocks when it's not using SAP/RIP, especially not with a WAN like ours (450-500 servers). --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Life is the only Pain asmodai(at)wxs.nl we endeavour... Network/Security Specialist <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai>; BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve <http://www.freebsd.org>; To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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