From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Dec 30 01:52:00 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8AA1D17A7 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 01:52:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adamw@adamw.org) Received: from mail-wr1-x42e.google.com (mail-wr1-x42e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47mL5W0jjGz4Ncn for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 01:51:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adamw@adamw.org) Received: by mail-wr1-x42e.google.com with SMTP id c14so31436401wrn.7 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2019 17:51:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=adamw-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=yaByrz8CDhWnJOy4wcTZCbx6rfFw1uqlKUWqMAHUtco=; b=u8Dsh+UJL86JKZxFKswsP0dp4XHyXWWpT5bx9318/XmP0WZ9HJ49h7wmbg0YqFo8Iy VT4uFev1SsaxcKHWvPGUJMYFJxBN7qisa1Pf5LwYpGXxfrBXG8Ln6ntddRRm3JqSWVa3 sIMYEO/amCZYU4GTnTTJGSnu3mfbgtFwtmn1/ec2wuEtU/05Cye2GBt8X1Mid8R9o0tU VgohruGkxcQ77zkBmz+vv/Zx0G+MMSMlSEtLisSuOVKKEZ1OBHISwPNIEuKm76pAktFH 5Wz3NgIX+QGDrpiV/s1WMPQYnQ3CTZ2QwKLrUF1BDMCi56i+vqUSlGWP6hVQKTT6+mKF Fb/Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=yaByrz8CDhWnJOy4wcTZCbx6rfFw1uqlKUWqMAHUtco=; b=G8tZZwu9PNQdm6w9Ge/j8bZupy/8Ua/Z27dJqev+LPituQfMocaQbxCmZTGuhY7VU4 mZo/Drj4TqY2aty9q3jSAa9jZDUhWUp+8UnT/Gs5l4tmo8Btq6g+NqK/V8xQe+bZyPDb pnNktbxCpzZjsyyOwaER3Y0i9ptCf7R8PZuj0T8Kq13fQuXARiiJQwtK7ljf+FTUzpdU i5wY1xqiVq0ncYQpzKxfdMWKY5iOTj+UjZpaXDy8X0gQT2kgOrcvXfHn5ikzNRXYZNQp DZRkUdyhetIQig3eG0Wq2R3dSsESv1bxIum8GGFwN79m2Odm3AInLhPi8WD2R7QAIy6a p1Bw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXa786OXV9pc94HgMrWcIFEkpUhlP3eLQnsrfVV/PKlMzL61MEO ZK3/rTXM0akx4hF537H8/4BBNyhv0jSRXc1nzZm1rGAkXEChmw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz+/gfqGirP6RAXP0g1ZEONofebHzxswtrnQVhvKBKuNKZ47MufLCnrzJ4FMcDFHpcc3787en79gxpDVLaS+QU= X-Received: by 2002:adf:b193:: with SMTP id q19mr63888934wra.78.1577670717297; Sun, 29 Dec 2019 17:51:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1921981.4WAli8B44Z@no.place.like.home> <20191230013752.GA74518@neutralgood.org> In-Reply-To: <20191230013752.GA74518@neutralgood.org> From: Adam Weinberger Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 18:51:41 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: exFAT is no longer encumbered To: "Kevin P. Neal" Cc: Greg Rivers , FreeBSD Ports Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47mL5W0jjGz4Ncn X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adamw-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=u8Dsh+UJ; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of adamw@adamw.org designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::42e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=adamw@adamw.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.22 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adamw-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd-ports]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adamw.org]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adamw-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[e.2.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.72)[ip: (-9.03), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.64), asn: 15169(-1.87), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 01:52:00 -0000 On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 6:38 PM Kevin P. Neal wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 01:01:52AM -0600, Greg Rivers wrote: > > As of last August, Microsoft have relaxed the patent restrictions on exFAT[1]. > > > > Can the Makefile LICENSE_PERMS_MSPAT restrictions be removed from sysutils/fusefs-exfat? Might exFAT make it into the FreeBSD base system (like msdosfs) one day? > > > > > > [1] > > I'm not sure that counts as a license. IANAL, but I'd like to see an > explicit granting of a license to anyone at no cost, and the license needs > to be transferable. > > The way Berkeley eliminated the advertising clause was good. Simply saying > "Microsoft is supporting the addition of" doesn't really say anything. > It's a statement of corporate direction and nothing else. Expanding on what Kevin said, https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/intellectualproperty/mtl/exfat-licensing.aspx suggests that (a) exFAT is still patented and restricted as before, and (b) GPLv2 licensing was granted only for the Linux kernel module that they submitted. The BSD License grants the ability to use BSD-licensed code in commercial products, so I'm not sure that Microsoft would want to relax their licensing for us. As Kevin said, IANAL. # Adam -- Adam Weinberger adamw@adamw.org https://www.adamw.org