From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 12 20:32: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF3C14DAB for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:31:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id XAA11617; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:32:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199905130332.XAA11617@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: Richard Stallman came to town In-Reply-To: <000001be9ced$06e0a380$021d85d1@whenever.youwant.to> from David Schwartz at "May 12, 99 08:02:24 pm" To: davids@webmaster.com (David Schwartz) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Cc: cjclark@home.com, adam@whizkidtech.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Schwartz wrote, > > > IMHO, GNU has a place in the world. I personally don't go to the > > extreme that _all_ software should be GNU, but I do think that the > > existence of GNU or a foundation actively trying to increase the pool > > of GNU software is not evil. It's just another choice for people who > > write programs. > > The evil comes from two sources. First, there are programmers who GPL their > code without a clear understanding of what they're doing. I don't see how some people's ignorance can be blamed on GNU. It's like blaming the gun manufaturer for someone being shot, or the cigarette maker for someone getting cancer... oh, wait, we do blame that on them now-a-days. > Second, GNU is not > just about voluntarily licensing one's source code under certain terms, it's > also about legal changes that aim to eliminate the entire concept of > intellectual property. GNU _is_ about destroying much of the capitalist rewards for owning intellectual property of computer programs. That is why I do not feel it is for everybody. Earning profit from your work or being motivated by economic rewards is not evil. But I don't think someone who authors a program and does not want someone else using their work to earn a quick buck is evil either. If they instead wants everyone to be able to have the code and use it for free... how can that be bad? One point about GPL though, it is very specific about maintaining the ownership of the code, or more aptly put, maintaining the 'credit' for the work... not that the love, affection, adoration, and admiration of those who use your code will pay the bills. > It is my firm belief that the net effect of GNU and the GPL/GLL is to > decrease the quality of software and create many 'everybody loses' > scenarios. I have personally seen this happen too many times to count. > > For example, just recently a project I was involved in required a database > much like 'gdbm'. There were a few features that we needed that gdbm did not > offer, and had we decided to use gdbm, we would gladly have made those > enhancements available to the community -- our product is not a database, so > there would be no competitive issues. > > However, gdbm's license was, unfortunately, too restrictive for us. As a > result, so we developed an in-house database on top of proprietary base > code, the path of least resistance for us. > > It's not as good as gdbm would have been with our improvements. The > community will not benefit from our effort, since even if we wanted to > release the database, we don't have the rights to relase the core code we > built it on. > > Everybody loses. This is typical. This is intentional. It is intentional. But Stallman would say that the fault lies not with GNU but with the proprietary software you were forced to use. Funny thing here is, if there was no GNU, how would this outcome have been any different? Would you still have most likely ended up with proprietary software? Out of curiousity, what was too restrictive about gdbm's license if you would have made the code changes freely available? -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message