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Date:      Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:51:43 -0400
From:      Jerry <freebsd.user@seibercom.net>
To:        FreeBSD <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: How to be an imap Client?
Message-ID:  <20110421095143.7f10b67b@scorpio>
In-Reply-To: <20110421223143.Y43371@sola.nimnet.asn.au>
References:  <20110421120035.3C3151065761@hub.freebsd.org> <20110421223143.Y43371@sola.nimnet.asn.au>

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On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:21:25 +1000 (EST)
Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au> articulated:

> On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:34:32 -0400 Jerry <freebsd.user@seibercom.net>
> wrote:
>  > On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:22:35 -0700
>  > perryh@pluto.rain.com <perryh@pluto.rain.com> articulated:
>  > 
>  > > Jerry <freebsd.user@seibercom.net> wrote:
>  > > 
>  > > > On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:01:28 -0500
>  > > > Martin McCormick <martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu> articulated:
>  > > > > ... our entire network is on the blacklist ...
>  > > >
>  > > > Why are you blacklisted? It seems correcting that problem
>  > > > would be my first priority.
>  > > 
>  > > Being a university, okstate.edu has students, most of whom are
>  > > not in the CIS department or in any way under control of the CIS
>  > > department's sysadmin.  Need I say more?
>  > 
>  > Actually yes. Ignoring for a moment the reply you sent me directly,
>  > conveniently bypassing the group forum,
> 
> perry's message, like this one, was likely posted to you, cc the
> list. That's long been customary on freebsd lists, even this
> 'kindergarten' one; noone 'conveniently bypassed' anything.  If you
> don't like private copies, sent as a courtesy, just delete them and
> move on.

Wrong, it was sent directly, not CC'd. As per my stated policy, it was
answered/referred to on the list forum. I am seriously considering
changing that policy to also include reporting them as Spam.

> The last thing we need is people here to troll on behalf of M$
> stamping their feet, demanding we change the way we've always used
> these lists.

You are referring to the way you have always done things. See
previously posted comments on CC'ing and you will readily find that it
is not a universally accepted method. I will admit that it is mostly
the preferred method of narcissists.

>  > are you implying that these
>  > students are using the University's web mail for possible illegal
>  > actions and no one is policing that action?
> 
> Ah Jerry, good to see you end your admonition with a little humour!
> 
> cheers, ian
> 
> "He only does it to annoy, because he knows it teases" -- Lewis
> Carroll

No humor intended. I have read another post that might also describe
why the network is being blacklisted. I firmly believe that a diligent
SA (note the word diligent) could attempt to correct this problem. From
past experience, those who are blacklisted are so listed due to their
own fault and for the protection of others. Attempting to bypass such a
listing is a favorite of Spammers and their ilk; as well as those who
are attempting a thief of service as per the conditions stated by the
IPs owner.

-- 
Jerry ✌
FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net

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