Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 14:18:50 -0400 From: John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org> To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org> Cc: Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: New Boot Loader Menu Message-ID: <201210091418.50649.jhb@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <515694A9-3D0F-4150-8865-F518072C5EC6@fisglobal.com> References: <0655B56F-AD43-402B-872C-568378E650F9@fisglobal.com> <CAGH67wQKUvbB1TNJofA6_qXhkxqC_At_Fmg8fcqswj_exBxBFQ@mail.gmail.com> <515694A9-3D0F-4150-8865-F518072C5EC6@fisglobal.com>
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On Tuesday, October 09, 2012 11:25:19 am Devin Teske wrote: > =85Re-adding the list=85 (good point) >=20 > On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:15 AM, Garrett Cooper wrote: >=20 > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Devin Teske <devin.teske@fisglobal.com>= wrote: > >> =85Re-adding the list=85 > >>=20 > >> On Oct 8, 2012, at 12:42 PM, olli hauer wrote: > >>=20 > >>> ... > >>>=20 > >>>> You'll also get zero argument out of me that putting "Delete" on-scr= een=20 is not only to-be-avoided for the opposing situation (that some keyboards m= ay=20 not have a "Delete" but instead "Backspace") but indeed "Delete" is worse=20 because the implied connotation associated with the "Delete" key (_someone_= =20 might be confused into thinking "Delete" will purge the menu from memory). > >>>>=20 > >>>> I will play with keycodes. > >>>>=20 > >>>> Just be aware that currently left arrow CANNOT work. That is a bad=20 suggestion (read why below). > >>>>=20 > >>>> In Forth, I'm using the "key" primitive which -- rather unfortunatel= y=20 =2D- produces a zero for "left-arrow", "right-arrow", "up-arrow", "down-arr= ow",=20 "F1", "F2", "F3", "F4", "F5", "F6", "F7", "F8", "F9", and "F10" (note: it=20 doesn't catch "F11", "F12", "F13", "F14", "F15", or "F16"). > >>>>=20 > >>>> So all those key options are right-out when it comes to "using them= =20 instead of Backspace" (I simply can't identify in the loader when those key= s=20 are pressed). > >>>>=20 > >>>=20 > >>> ... > >>>=20 > >>> will the space key work for a general back to or up one entry? > >>> I suspect the space bar has the same keycode on all platforms=20 (intel/appel/ppc/sparc ...) > >>>=20 > >>> Anyway nice work :) > >>>=20 > >>=20 > >> By golly, I think olli is on to something here! > >>=20 > >> What does everybody think about space? > >>=20 > >> I like it because it's a NICE BIG TARGET (and it's not used by anythin= g else). > >=20 > > It was used once upon a time to pause the bootloader countdown=85 >=20 > Well=85 that hasn't *really* been true since r222417 (16+ months ago). Yes, you completely destroyed POLA for users used to hitting various keys to catch the boot loader before it passed by over remote KVMs. Please don't keep moving the goal posts. The only reason my co-workers aren't screaming= =20 loudly about this to date is that we still use 8.x. Users get these key=20 bindings ingrained and we shouldn't change them lightly. That is really my only comment for this thread. It seems you are intent on breaking POLA for little to no gain and have no compunction about doing so which is a shame. =2D-=20 John Baldwin
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