From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Feb 15 13:25:34 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF53CDFE3D for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@ohlste.in) Received: from mail-qk0-x243.google.com (mail-qk0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B1E7F40 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@ohlste.in) Received: by mail-qk0-x243.google.com with SMTP id 11so23166365qkl.0 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 05:25:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ohlste-in.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fh9FVL7Jffi1kt9GbGzDu82IxEdHSeODrDJZuz1spls=; b=gqbFWJ4Qb7eirBhH+zv1uK4ZvsNY/X3GKDzlK62wzxJIor/HLJfdErzCL7InAucJCy +24aA8YY0g3AdS1p16QlAo8GOftfBxFVyTC4Cxocwjx0pbutLuv/7j/s1zyHcGEKPfzX CMG6uXo5BhX/9o3Zw0p7ubgyAZ7IXdNLlQvQggguEQ4ntM+cokkt7sUl+wYgKq40RYYr 6ORRdrIP2ipZ4Db7emMAUrVTy1gj69CssP6I8O7XxEM/KZZ2dDZ871sNvc4Qk2mKdP3t E/yuV6tphYLsV7lQ2TF+1TROF86yPbs0xyKwAZGWH5nYdf7XwWyQxj/WFAQiXUNMqL2U YhQA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fh9FVL7Jffi1kt9GbGzDu82IxEdHSeODrDJZuz1spls=; b=cjvxX2LHwvMqaHCN11HcAPyZZk8CLl9Gby6uj5ol+TAdsLH5SoTorV8D6Yn2KMsYOJ ihtmMU1UUFWxmKsLYY2IMZs26MaJtVhpjoN/OIFXMPY5WePdSD33UzMffSqW9CSE9Fbv 4q0U4IEEDS3bGXS/XnIFlcXAu17nKhUMDDVDyDW9K9OSqBIDaGe28orodSk7nycDng1r y8qvaYD9KElEYOisP/QXpoymuxUhXhJ2WaUvC9N43mDnpd7scNVimX0ZVjf7pDgtTX4P mtz6Rmu2umkqM9Ja33Rtx374EuQKLio+/JFaUO3r77zlhbNJLHDtP7UK5IKPX57qbB8A 33DA== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39lHUdO/XctYkUcx7xLIFZY5VtfgXQRMs7AGl7GenRn5w2yiHyd3Fl1dsvxyZNY1Uw== X-Received: by 10.55.87.198 with SMTP id l189mr1005331qkb.106.1487165133807; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 05:25:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.20] (pool-108-39-64-29.nrflva.fios.verizon.net. [108.39.64.29]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s2sm2312354qts.25.2017.02.15.05.25.32 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Feb 2017 05:25:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Expulsion of John Marino - reasons and impact? To: Bryan Drewery , Michael Gmelin References: <336aca05-3a85-5881-4c51-ea58d1d203a2@FreeBSD.org> <3FC190C8-2F60-4215-8BFB-A0C79FE04F17@freebsd.org> <930aa508-18e4-6951-7880-e7934a1be0bc@FreeBSD.org> Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Jim Ohlstein Message-ID: <785184f2-35d9-ff45-dbaf-4437da9d0cc3@ohlste.in> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 08:25:31 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <930aa508-18e4-6951-7880-e7934a1be0bc@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:25:34 -0000 Hello, On 02/14/2017 06:15 PM, Bryan Drewery wrote: > On 2/14/2017 2:58 PM, Michael Gmelin wrote: >>> On 14 Feb 2017, at 22:16, Bryan Drewery wrote: >>>> On 2/14/2017 12:50 PM, Dewayne Geraghty wrote: >>>> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports?view=revision&revision=433827 >>> I think that commit message combined with >>> https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html is enough. >> The commit message basically says that he misbehaved once too often and the CoC defines what "misbehave" might mean. Not over the top transparent/detailed to be honest. > > Right, would you want an organization you volunteered for to drag your > name through the mud for some reason? I don't think it's our place (the > project) to say more than we already have publicly. Please drop this > before it gets out of hand. Discussing people personally/negatively in > a public forum is not appropriate. > John has posted on the FreeBSD forums[1] that he did nothing and that there is "[no] evidence of continued bad behavior", so this argument holds no water any longer. Don't get me wrong, I am not defending him. I have witnessed his nature publicly, and I have been on the receiving end here on the list and privately. However, he was an extremely active committer and at a time when PR's wait for committers, people complain that there aren't enough volunteers, and mentors are maxed out, perhaps a simple "trust us" (to use John's words) does not suffice. JMMHO of course. [1] https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/59705/#post-342589 -- Jim Ohlstein