From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Sat May 26 13:20:54 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43DEF75BB6 for ; Sat, 26 May 2018 13:20:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x230.google.com (mail-io0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DE2D6F63E for ; Sat, 26 May 2018 13:20:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x230.google.com with SMTP id c9-v6so9353052iob.12 for ; Sat, 26 May 2018 06:20:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=DwNdVj7QrJ7HUNIuYNmKdQV0p9TznOWnbeIy+C9AFP4=; b=hcCjjbhQHnajTd4CKmnx5LQIMkbuhPIQIqTJMnj3zlRKuiQw3u88BYGXEVi1fAw0IJ COLtU6IxUphGVGFonROob5sGHpnjuZ5rEQ/LR8qcUJnDDU5VgEac80/Jv9MwTFFoPYtx wB5zU8LuE0yiL3cB8GKNkeJwJD8NTwCmJ8AXVmzj1Eu4Bs37L9XJ61NtDjtik9If1idk NHX8/u94vG/DtyRtxGXpmo+er9hD6awzgSPbsNGhS1U/2U/kAdICg/ejEYGYi/5Jvd7Y K6gwWHQ0tDsSGBmZTB6YNASl2NMhWAF2KXFBU+d5Y0gNzTBHhNQhoVXLdzbK73plQbYs Mc/w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DwNdVj7QrJ7HUNIuYNmKdQV0p9TznOWnbeIy+C9AFP4=; b=e4JprobaRcF8Nn9woXwnmJdgMxt04f2HzTi0brSeVf20MTUUxJJGP5z8EfcBXNWnxZ 3uppy1r33loSjdZ4C9+VhROn2Y6bcM7KZP6qswedyAbBT3hs74EBqob7m5Myhv4E8MsD KjdaMP44+4nR8TWzOJOQ82KV0NyolmXi568FeuTBiiypHhSZbdcrdmb26Vp6orsSAjs/ l1/Aa6qbyvxjataaVBOOCMChnhYRVg+2SRYOx55hyx2hEuxFQDNL0azYtCK6jdkb9517 /yuDiz+LEqBuhYWzo1J+lQS9V6IGJRauPb4wN+DNiUkWzRa3XGaazg86h38o+QwyZ0xJ hK3g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwckxhX3gz1xBEMf+9PRj05JXvPZKSi28gYsn8reSfeZBanvuX2h BwYg2t1YTYwUrzLdRC+qphXmEsVZHJ+/2N7oo1C3gA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKJazTfthCZV5RPGkNuq8bZy9O7u7sLi+M9fj5BzIikhe6bqp84dm6ogQmL6E44980Mrx2ciggTtL2E/+try5gk= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:1c87:: with SMTP id c129-v6mr403987ioc.39.1527340853303; Sat, 26 May 2018 06:20:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201805232218.w4NMIxMA067892@slippy.cwsent.com> <18a87d6d-14af-ef9d-80ff-403039e36692@cs.duke.edu> <20180525003949.GA710@lonesome.com> <05C5BD86-70D0-4B02-AC29-36E68B3602AE@FreeBSD.org> <1A6567CD-5BE8-4E80-A262-00ADB75CF35A@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <1A6567CD-5BE8-4E80-A262-00ADB75CF35A@FreeBSD.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 07:20:41 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Deorbiting i386 To: David Chisnall Cc: Maxim Sobolev , Mark Linimon , Matthew Macy , Andrew Gallatin , Pedro Giffuni , Cy Schubert , Brooks Davis , Eugene Grosbein , Stefan Esser , "rgrimes@freebsd.org" , Gleb Smirnoff , Sean Bruno , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , "src-committers@freebsd.org" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 26 May 2018 13:58:19 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 13:20:55 -0000 On Sat, May 26, 2018, 1:58 AM David Chisnall wrote: > On 26 May 2018, at 00:41, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > > > If you've seen any of the atom bay trail systems in action you may > understand what I mean. You get full blown x64 system with four cores and > it takes only 2W of power. > > Which is pretty much my point - if you want a low-power x86 system for > embedded use, it=E2=80=99s going to be x86-64, not x86-32 (though hopeful= ly you=E2=80=99re > using a 32-bit ABI with it). > The only viable 32bit abi on FreeBSD is i386 now. And that works today. Sure, other theoretical ones are out there, but none are close to production ready on FreeBSD. Until they are, talk of removing i386 support is just crazy talk that will go nowhere. Warner >