From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 17 02:56:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F062F16A4CE for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 02:56:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C08443D3F for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 02:56:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brian@thekinseys.net) Received: from VAIO ([65.13.29.31]) by imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with ESMTP id <20050417025655.ZUAL2063.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@VAIO> for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:56:55 -0400 From: "Brian Kinsey" To: Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:56:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050417022312.GE82272@wantadilla.lemis.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcVC9IH5xdMRtWDMR6yRLU8mQC1mRwAA4/oQ Message-Id: <20050417025655.ZUAL2063.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@VAIO> Subject: RE: FreeBSD-newbies shutting down? (was: no freebsd-beginners list?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 02:56:57 -0000 Yes, that was my intention. I don't see many newbie questions on this board so I was looking for one that would better match my skill level. But if the only people on the newbies list were newbies, and there was no one to correct the newbies when they gave inaccurate answers as you stated, then I can see why that list would not be a good place for technical questions. I guess I was hoping that there would be some people who knew what they were doing on that list that liked helping people learn. I will stay here if this list is for the newbie and the advanced user as well. I can see the benefits of that. I just hope that along with the RTFM posts, I get directed to where in TFM I need to R. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Greg 'groggy' Lehey Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 10:23 PM To: Brian Kinsey Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD-newbies shutting down? (was: no freebsd-beginners list?) On Saturday, 16 April 2005 at 20:11:18 -0400, Brian Kinsey wrote: > Your request to the freebsd-newbies mailing list > > Subscription request > > has been rejected by the list moderator. The moderator gave the following > reason for rejecting your request: > > "The freebsd-newbies list is being shut down. Please use freebsd-questions > instead." > > Any questions or comments should be directed to the list administrator > at: > > freebsd-newbies-owner@freebsd.org Background: the original charter for the list was a discussion place for newbies. It was being abused as a place to ask beginner's technical questions. It seems that this was your intention too: On Sat, Apr 16, 2005 at 07:30:17PM -0400, Brian Kinsey wrote: > I went to sign up for the freebsd beginners list and got a response > that the list was closed and I should use freebsd-questions > instead. It seems to me that a newbie list would be beneficial to > many of us. I see a lot of very technical questions here and feel > that my newbie questions would not be appreciated, especially since > I have not read through the entire handbook yet ... There are a number of problems with having two lists: 1. To check if a question has been asked before, you need to check two different archives. 2. To lurk and see answers to other people's questions, you also need to be on both lists. 3. It's difficult for anybody to decide how complicated a question is. If you're a newbie, it's doubly so. 4. -newbies was intended for, well, newbies. Most of the people capable of *answering* even a moderately simple question aren't on the list, so many of the answers going past were wildly inaccurate. You can get inaccurate answers on -questions too, but it's not as frequent. In summary, it seems less of a problem for you to put up with the occasional RFTM than to get just plain bad advice. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers.