From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 15:02:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE86F16A4F1 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:02:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6106243D83 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:01:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 355 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2006 01:01:24 +1000 Received: from 124-168-25-250.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (124.168.25.250) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 12 Sep 2006 01:01:23 +1000 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:01:20 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: Bill Moran Message-ID: <20060912010120.1aeb2c28@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20060911053240.30d8117d.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> <20060911053240.30d8117d.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, Bob Walker Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:02:47 -0000 On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:32:40 -0400 Bill Moran wrote: > We are a community. We're not Microsoft. We're not interested in > driving users away by saying "here's everything you need, don't bother > us again." Our limited resources are focused on developing the really > important parts of the system. While few would complain if the > install process were made easier, nobody has the time to work on it. > Become part of the community and ask questions when you have trouble. > Find a local user's group. But please, please don't complain about the > OS not working right when you use it wrong. The FreeBSD community is > an integral part of the OS. Not making use of the FreeBSD community > and then complaining that the OS is difficult to use would be like not > using a mouse then complaining that MS Windows is hard to use. nicely put Bill :) I would add, spend some time each day reading the mailing lists and help where you can, and ask where you can't :) in light of that... i've read about at least 1 project to improve on our installer (SOC 2005) - is that already in place in Fbsd 6? (dont think so...seems pretty similar to the old one to me...) Any other related projects to improve the installer? I *KNOW* it isn't the most important part of the system, but every bit counts, and I think that having both a ncurses and a GUI (non-ncurses ;) )based installer would be quite nice and modern. And I'd be definitely happy to help where I can. PC-BSD has one, right? anyway...just looking for pointers atm... thanks everyone! _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome What you are afraid to do is a clear indicator of the next thing you need to do. I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned.