From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 11:54:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F3116A4E1 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:54:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C10943D3F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:54:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (132.dairy.twenty4help.se [80.65.195.132]) by rambo.401.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1EBsBif031340; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:54:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <4210915F.9060602@401.cx> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:54:07 +0100 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johnson David References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AD9@mvaexch01.acuson.com> In-Reply-To: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AD9@mvaexch01.acuson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 4.0: Logo contest, and lessons from the XFree86 d ebacle X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:54:15 -0000 Johnson David wrote: > From: Farid Hajji [mailto:farid.hajji@ob.kamp.net] > >>Remember what happened with the XFree86 project as they choose >>to change their license terms without community support? Now >>we have X.org and most relevant developers moved there, just >>because XFree86's Mgmt failed to address the community's >>concerns appropriately. > > > This is completely different from the current controversy. XFree86 had been > gaining a reputation for quite a while. The licensing switch was merely "the > last straw". The logo issue is very different. Beastie is not going away, as > has been mentioned by numerous posts and clarifications. The logo is > something new, as FreeBSD does not currently have one (neither does OpenBSD > or Linux, BTW). > Linux has no logo? Nor OpenBSD? Really? So what is that red hat I see on www.redhat.com? Or the gecko looking thing on SuSe? Or the whirl thing on Debian? And the blowfish over at www.openbsd.org? Mandrake seems to have a yellow star with a blue tail somehow associated to almost everything it does? If all of the above mentioned isnt logos, then I sure as hell dont know what a logo is. The daemon is to BSD what the penguin is to linux. All of the linux distributions have grasped this years ago and created logos of their own, used individually or together with the penguin without even the slightest problems. But look what happened when someone suggested that maybe we should get a logo too. A never ending flamefest on every mailinglist! We may have better software then the penguin people, but when it comes to marketing they beat the shit out of us. Lets face it. FreeBSD is so far behind *everything* when it comes to marketing its not even funny. -- R