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Date:      Sat, 26 May 2018 10:35:09 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Benjamin Kaduk <bjkfbsd@gmail.com>
Cc:        "src-committers@freebsd.org" <src-committers@freebsd.org>,  "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>,  "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Deorbiting i386
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On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 8:58 AM, Benjamin Kaduk <bjkfbsd@gmail.com> wrote:

> So, when do we get to reprise this thread on -arch instead of svn-src-head?
>

I'm thinking sometime in July or August when I plan on submitting a draft
for a FCP for formalized deprecation for drivers (and another for arch) to
the community for discussion, revision, etc. It's long overdue and we've
let things slide too long. I'm planning two different docs because the
evaluation process different enough for the two cases to warrant separate
docs, I think.

However, one of the primary criteria is missing for i386: it's still widely
used and well supported. Any talk about i386 going away anytime soon is
simply a non-starter. There's simply no consensus for it being gone in 12,
and I doubt such consensus will form for 13 (though it will be easier if we
write down the past traditional methods that have worked in part and failed
in part). I doubt we'll rehash this thread there before we get closer to
the 13 branch point, if we do it then.

Honestly, there's a lot of other deadwood that needs to be cleaned up
first, and talk of i386 is a distraction to that. And no, that's not an
invitation to post examples. Let's get the criteria in place, then use that
with examples people come up with then. Otherwise, it will be another 40
messages about how aha has outlived its usefulness that nobody does
anything about (yes, I chose aha because I removed it earlier in the year:
sometimes people give examples that are not well informed).

Warner



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