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Date:      Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:32:56 -0500 (EST)
From:      Bill Fumerola <billf@chc-chimes.com>
To:        Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
Cc:        Brett Taylor <brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu>, Adam Turoff <aturoff@isinet.com>, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: bsd vs. linux and NT chart
Message-ID:  <Pine.HPP.3.96.990303122851.22508A-100000@hp9000.chc-chimes.com>
In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990302163944.00a1e620@localhost>

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On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Brett Glass wrote:

> Stop right there. Most users don't even know what CVSup is, much
> less use it to update source. They don't want a system that
> changes every day, nor do they want the overhead of updating
> everything constantly.

If the users aren't updating their sources/ports, then the new (lack of)
support will not alienate them. 

Either 
	Users want new/updated ports, and they keep their source current.
or
	Users want stability in ports, and keep their trees the same.

You can't have it both ways.
 
> >That said I see you maintain no ports at all
> 
> True. I haven't been asked to. Nor would I want to, if the ports system
> left users in the cold like that.

Whine, whine, bitch, bitch. The ports tree doesn't change on users unless
they want it to, and they should understand those consequences.

> If it's a problem, it's a problem with the system. Compiling to two
> formats should not be THAT difficult. But if it's REALLY such a big 
> deal for you to compile to anything but ELF, why not create a module that 
> lets 2.2.x load ELF binaries that use native FreeBSD APIs? It 
> sounds to me as if this would merely involve adapting the Linux
> compatibility module for 2.2.x to do this when it saw a 
> FreeBSD-branded ELF binary. This module could be brought in as 
> a dependency in the port, along with any "upgrade kit" that was
> required.

I'll be waiting for your package to come through the PR system.

> A tiny amount of cleverness and innovation can solve these problems.
> But nothing that disenfranchises loyal existing users is acceptable, EVER.

The existing users aren't the ones being hurt. It's the ones who are
moving targets right now.

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