Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 11:26:40 -0500 From: Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu> To: Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: OT: proof that Linux is brain damaged Message-ID: <790a3043-5bb9-f70f-3bba-aaf96970cc88@kicp.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <CAGBxaXkkxVdVm0=x-ZGTzeOFkVKneydtLPrVfDSenrn6_cjnzQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAGBxaXnJmXB5LDvku2r8303571bxgUDEQu8n9HgY3SJ1HJ=YNw@mail.gmail.com> <20200904104811.b08f24d8f0397e77cef01cbd@aim.com> <20200904181205.78cbb979@archlinux> <96896a75-3b65-1e9b-e7d2-5ddd6cc4b111@kicp.uchicago.edu> <CAGBxaXkkxVdVm0=x-ZGTzeOFkVKneydtLPrVfDSenrn6_cjnzQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 2020-09-04 11:21, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 12:13 PM Valeri Galtsev > <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu <mailto:galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu>> wrote: > > > > On 2020-09-04 11:12, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 10:48:11 -0400, Vlad D. Markov wrote: > >> When criticizing systemd, I think the criticism should be > directed at > >> the distributions forcing its use. Linux doesn't have much to do > with > >> it. > > > > Apart from the embedded systems you described, it's probably not wise > > if a Linux distro diverts from using systemd, since systemd is quasi > > the standard init system and it's bundled with at least udev. > > Maintaining a different init system, while maintaining udev or > > something else from systemd, for usage without systemd, seems to > me way > > to much effort, even when being in favour of Linux. However, if > > somebody is really that tired of Linux, as the OP is, I wouldn't care > > about Linux at all, especially not since the OP doesn't need to > search > > for an operating system that fits to his needs. He already seems > to be > > satisfied with FreeBSD, so there's no problem at all. > > My sentiment exactly. > > > Except for one problem if you use FreeBSD as a desktop you're forced to > deal with the systemd stupidity because Xorg (and wayland) refuse to > believe that the entire universe does not use their prefered brain dead > OS. My workstation and my laptop both run FreeBSD, win XWindow, Mate Desktop Environment. For multiple yeas, and I do not have any problems. But I refuse to participate further in this thread for the reason I stated earlier in this same thread. Valeri > So it is not academic if you are using FreeBSD for more than just > a server. Even then unless you want to use plain vanilla Apache then > you are forced to deal with it to some degree for example even though > the Java team for FreeBSD has done a good job removing it as much as > possible from openjdk there is still some weirdness there. VirtualBox > has not been able to successfully compile anything newer than 5.X > because of the same problems. > > So saying "if you like FreeBSD and hate systemd/linux then use FreeBSD" > is not really an option due to the viral nature of systemd and the > laziness of developers who use it. > > TL;dr -- Due to many reasons just ignoring the problem because your on > FreeBSD is not an answer > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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