From owner-cvs-all Wed Dec 9 17:21:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28585 for cvs-all-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:21:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28570 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:20:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA01816; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:50:52 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id LAA34535; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:50:25 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981210115025.E12688@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:50:25 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Kevin Van Maren Cc: committers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Swat teams (was: problem reports) References: <199812091732.KAA19218@fast.cs.utah.edu> <27592.913250221@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <27592.913250221@zippy.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Wed, Dec 09, 1998 at 04:37:01PM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wednesday, 9 December 1998 at 16:37:01 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> ["whine liberally" on] >> It is just a little frustrating spending time finding and fixing >> problems, just to send a PR that sits around... > > Well, I forgot to make my last usual threat. When someone has > submitted a lot of PRs and they're getting stuck in the system, our > first recourse is generally to sit on that person's chest and demand > that they join committers. > > Consider your chest sat on. How are your CVS skills? Join us! > Resistance is futile! :-) Consider this a reply to a number of issues brought up here. A number of observations: 1. I would doubtless have answered many PRs instead of doing the work I should be, *if* I knew how to do it. Where's the FM? 2. Asking people to join -committers may be the wrong way round. Find somebody who wants do join, and say ``OK, first your apprenticeship: 1000 bug reports well answered'' :-) 3. Somebody (probably you) needs to keep an eye on the bugs and see that the important ones are recognized as important, and that they get fixed. At the moment, any fool can put in a ``system down, won't come up, user screaming for blood'' category PR which boils down to the fact that he's tried to run Linux Netscrape without installing Linux emulation. Others may think little of that the fact that NFS is so unreliable that you can't do a ``make world'' on an NFS mounted file system. Clearly there needs to be a reality check, probably early on. 4. One way to at least raise the awareness of the problem is to have a bugfixers mailing list, one of whose members is cvs-all. Sure, you can't get people to do anything just because they're on a list, and you can't get anybody else to join up, but it helps people identify. I'm prepared to pull my weight on this one, including writing up any necessary documentation, but somewhere the Core Team needs to be involved. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message