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Date:      Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:11:03 -0700
From:      "Charles Burns" <burnscharlesn@hotmail.com>
To:        hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu, vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: the AMD factor in FreeBSD
Message-ID:  <F1471Np7vXee4fDGCl90000652f@hotmail.com>

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> > 	That's all that matters since I can't tell the difference for
> > normal day to day operations with Windows between a PII400 and a 
>PIII933.
> > I guess I'm not a gamer.
>
>It's not just gaming.  Heavy computational work is my normal
>daily routine.  With about $5k in funding standing by, we're holding
>off for the dual athlon boards with ddr.
>
>We also just specced out a server/computational platform, and found
>we could match $20k of RS/6000 with about $12k of Dell PIII with
>2G of Crucial memory and 3d party *big* drives--We'd have had about
>72 or 144G of storage from ibm/sun,

If you are going for price/performance Sun and IBM aren't really in that 
market. They go more for the super ultra reliable extremely scalable systems 
it seems. You may look into Alpha if you are after absolute max raw 
computing power for the buck. At certain price levels, Alpha (at least did) 
win hands down. The systems are made by Compaq, but their high-end systems 
don't suck like their consumer systems do.

If you would like to build your own array from scratch, Seagate makes a 
160GB Ultra/160 SCSI drive. Those should do it. :-)

>probably just ultrascsi, but
>we'll have 300G of Raid 5 u160 with a ready standby drive and a 15krpm
>swap drive . . . and about $7,000 left over . . which means that
>rather than going $5k over budget, we're enough under budget for
>an extra blade 100 or bsd box . . .   It's just a pity that the money
>rules for this machine require it to be received before June 30 (after
>going through University bid/purchase processes), otherwise it
>could wait for dual 1.5Ghz palominos, too . . .

Don't bet the farm that AMD will have SMB boards by then. Chances are that 
they will, but their roadmap, IIRC, says "2nd half" which just begins in 
June. You may also want to consider that the boards will be first-generation 
SMP. While they will almost certainly be far, far (FAR) better than the 
average 1st gen board because it is using a chipset that is perfectly good 
for single processor systems and because the boards are likely being 
marketed as server/workstation class (hence the predicted $600+ price tag), 
they may have some problems to iron out. I don't know how important these 
systems will be, but when I build one that needs 24/7 uptime I always use 
parts that have been out and tested in the field for a few months.
One example that further emphasized this strategy was when I read that 
Anandtech used MSI K7T-Pro2 boards for servers that "worked fine" for a logn 
time but had occasional hard lockups (i.e. system would not post unless 
unplugged for several seconds). While Anandtech doesn't seem to be the 
smartest when it comes to servers (They use Windows, for example) the 
example still does apply. Sort of.

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