From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 10 13:21:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA29453 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:21:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA29448 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:21:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA17169; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:20:38 -0800 (PST) To: Terry Lambert cc: helbig@Informatik.BA-Stuttgart.DE, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newest Pentium bug (fatal) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:06:21 GMT." <199711102106.OAA16644@usr05.primenet.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:20:38 -0800 Message-ID: <17165.879196838@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Well, since I own a "Multia" and not a "Miata", I don't really get > how understanding the "Miata" would help me port to the "Multia", > so perhaps you could explain it to me... The other people in the ALPHA project have Miatas. Your Multia is thus of little concern to them. > As SEF would say, "Pot. Kettle. Black.". > > There's a very simple way to keep me from grinding axes: take them > away from me, leaving me nothing to grind. If you weren't always > such an immovable object, then I wouldn't have to try to be an > irresistable force to get you to move... Terry, when will you learn? People aren't just sitting on their thumbs waiting for Terry The Great Motivator to kick them into action, there are other major stumbling blocks in the way which are drastically impeding progress, one such being the fact that Digital has been completely and totally unable to provide *any* technical documentation on these machines! NetBSD also doesn't run on them, so we can't even look "next door" for a peek at what's going on under their hood, so to speak, and the fact that they run DUX is of little use since DUX doesn't come with source code. If you really want to help then either get some documentation out of Digital using your direct pipeline to God (of course Terry talks directly to God, hasn't everyone here realized that by now? ;-) or get us a free source code license to Digital Unix so that we can crib code from them. Either way, get off your high horse and realize that not all issues can be conveniently steamrollered out of the way just because you say they should be. If you think an ALPHA port to the Miata is so simple then why don't *you* do it? Jordan