Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 14:30:13 +0300 From: dan_partelly <dan_partelly@rdsor.ro> To: Lars Engels <lars.engels@0x20.net> Cc: Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org>, Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org>, <lev@FreeBSD.org>, Glen Barber <gjb@FreeBSD.org>, Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org>, Sean Fagan <sef@ixsystems.com>, <freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org>, <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) Message-ID: <317dbdbb2c31c17ad70ef213abdcdbf6@rdsor.ro> In-Reply-To: <20160419102751.GM82927@e-new.0x20.net> References: <20160302235429.GD75641@FreeBSD.org> <57152CE5.5050500@FreeBSD.org> <9D4B9C8B-41D7-42BC-B436-D23EFFF60261@ixsystems.com> <20160418191425.GW1554@FreeBSD.org> <571533B8.6090109@freebsd.org> <20160418194010.GX1554@FreeBSD.org> <57153E80.4080800@FreeBSD.org> <571551AB.4070203@freebsd.org> <5715E1E9.8060507@freebsd.org> <4787f50d3f160e606ad55737e93a324a@rdsor.ro> <20160419102751.GM82927@e-new.0x20.net>
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I dont know if you missed the point of my message on purpose or not. I never pretended that you can't extract that information. I maintain that having sane defaults would empower me to almost never care about aliases, scripts pipes, filter , regular expressions and what not. It is great that all this power is at my fingertips, in case something goes awfully wrong , not so great when Im forced to use it. And I really don't see how this helps anyway, since number of leafs will increase anyway with package base. Let me reiterate, perhaps clearer this time: It is my opinion that sane defaults beat ANY script, obscure command line arguments, alias, pipe, filter, helper program. > > Don't use "pkg info" then. Use "pkg leaf": > > And to everyone complaining about the number of packages: How many of > you have actually used the packaged base? This question is irrelevant. 1.First of all, many people consider packaging base a great accomplishment, yet maybe not ready for prime-time, given the current way pkg handles this information. I personally love the idea, with the caveats above. 2. The issue is present with all meta-packages in general. The base packaging only exacerbate an existing issue with the sheer number of packages it presents.
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