From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 21 15:51:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B2A2A9864 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:51:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4967NV1QSsz4TpZ for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:51:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [10.150.35.120] (unknown [10.150.35.120]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 860EE4E65C for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 10:51:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: GPL, not freebsd should be rewritten based on microkernel architecture To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200420011735.6448818053ED@ary.qy> <20200421120756.GA98882@neutralgood.org> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <21fdc970-5408-51c8-c11e-d2832191e137@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 10:51:47 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200421120756.GA98882@neutralgood.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4967NV1QSsz4TpZ X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.75 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.983,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.970,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(0.10)[ip: (0.29), ipnet: 128.135.0.0/16(0.15), asn: 160(0.12), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:51:56 -0000 Kevin (and others), Please, stop feeding the troll. Other mail lists will kick him long time up the thread already. This list is too kind, and is being abused due to that. Stop helping the list being abused. Valeri PS Yes, I top-posted ON PURPOSE. On 4/21/20 7:07 AM, Kevin P. Neal wrote: > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:09:53PM -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 9:59 PM John R. Levine wrote: >> >>>>> In article >>>> yx-xSo0gdsVgAoA7fUn8oRq3173covquHNw61kBJQ@mail.gmail.com> you write: >>>>>> Thus I suspect if push came to shove in a legal fight about the >>> legality >>>>> of >>>>>> GPL forcing third parties that just happen to use a GPL'ed project to >>> give >>>>>> up all claims over how their work is used would likely >>> unconstitutional. >>>>> >>>>> I'd suggest not playing junior lawyer. The GPL is a contract and >>>>> there have been successful cases to enforce it. Nobody has any >>>>> inherent right to use GPL'ed software (or any other software not >>>>> released into the public domain) so if you don't like the terms, don't >>>>> use it. >>>> There is major disagreement if it is a contract or an license (the two >>> are >>>> not the same) see the wikipedia article on legal status >>> >>> Whichever it might turn out to be, it's still inane to claim there's any >>> sort of constitutional issue, and it's still a bad idea to play junior >>> lawyer. >>> >> >> Not true according to the US Copyright office: >> https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html > > When you post links like this do you even _read_ them? > > Here is your post, archived: > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2020-April/288702.html > > You said: > % Thus I suspect if push came to shove in a legal fight about the legality of > % GPL forcing third parties that just happen to use a GPL'ed project to give > % up all claims over how their work is used would likely unconstitutional. > > To repeat the other poster, "it's still inane to claim there's any sort > of constitutional issue, and it's still a bad idea to play junior lawyer." > > A claim that the GPL could be "unconstitutional" is a claim that there is > a "constitutional issue" with the GPL. > > Stop before you dig a bigger hole for yourself. > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++