From owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Wed Mar 31 17:31:26 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBCF5A99C1 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 17:31:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@unrelenting.technology) Received: from out0.migadu.com (out0.migadu.com [IPv6:2001:41d0:2:267::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F9YJY1MWfz3vLb for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 17:31:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@unrelenting.technology) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 17:31:12 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=unrelenting.technology; s=key1; t=1617211876; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=xMFbkCSyGKmUXkW8zOK4OLJJDha7Q8Ni4k5EMmaOBD0=; b=EWz2ymnkBtI5parKVtuTXjKyYtaOZdu0FPuDhstQTpmlf6CspHxwv0YZP3c9/tcS0MxqpN aTT4YrmtxBDTanSGFH9t2jN9pk0KR31stG6b8msQxQiMfOHgFwSbWlCfoHxvwLtiA3z//m 2pprgyCXfAq4VBixL36xyg9t90gaXcPe6lJEiXzFoit8cJcp9Y6WKYEy/vA32KEGsKJ7Ij +7y0Ywrsj0S2lLk8xA7O+WzFMj7Wc3lJIsGJNW6bQKnSt3NEO5LPxEG5AxPOCYpayB6oTx KgCxpp16z3Q5hf0fmxAtbWRWizESztJeAxJliXCjnxLYAFXNNKlSTMd2pQsaWQ== X-Report-Abuse: Please report any abuse attempt to abuse@migadu.com and include these headers. From: Greg V To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Klaus_K=FCchemann?= , freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any good alternative to Raspberry for Arm64? In-Reply-To: <03D4DC97-1F65-4CF3-A85B-6744A401931D@googlemail.com> References: <202103310043.12V0hFqg023324@office.dignus.com> <6136F5CE-0E73-4A36-B3B0-CA17C8BEE9AA@unrelenting.technology> <03D4DC97-1F65-4CF3-A85B-6744A401931D@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <48041E50-D673-4855-A8C0-9B45D6BEA739@unrelenting.technology> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT X-Migadu-Auth-User: greg@unrelenting.technology X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F9YJY1MWfz3vLb X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=unrelenting.technology header.s=key1 header.b=EWz2ymnk; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=unrelenting.technology; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of greg@unrelenting.technology designates 2001:41d0:2:267:: as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=greg@unrelenting.technology X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:41d0:2:267:::from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[unrelenting.technology:s=key1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:41d0:2:267::]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:41d0:2:267:::from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[unrelenting.technology:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[unrelenting.technology,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[googlemail.com,freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:2001:41d0::/32, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arm] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 17:31:26 -0000 On March 31, 2021 2:21:57 PM UTC, "Klaus K=C3=BCchemann" wrote: > >> Am 31=2E03=2E2021 um 14:18 schrieb Greg V : >>=20 >> On March 31, 2021 12:43:15 AM UTC, Thomas David Rivers wrote: >>> I'm wondering why the Mac M1 machines haven't been mentioned? >>> (Like the newest MacMini=2E=2E=2E) >>>=20 >>> Would they not make a good ARM64 machine? >>=20 >> Currently only using virtualization=2E >>=20 >> Someone would have to make lots of drivers to run bare metal=2E OpenBSD= and NetBSD have some already, but I'm not aware of any efforts in FreeBSD = yet=2E >>=20 >> Apple hardware is *very* non-standard, they don't even use the GIC, hav= ing a custom interrupt controller instead=2E > >well, I have mentioned M1 in post #9 of this long thread as the most inte= resting =E2=80=A6=2E=2E > > really interesting : >https://reviews=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/R10:3a314eb5bb444ec019457e5aefaabb656fcb3= d54 This commit does nothing for *running* on Apple Silicon=2E This is about *building* FreeBSD *from macOS* on Apple Silicon=2E Some peo= ple want cross-builds from anything to work=2E These things are completely orthogonal=2E Someone working on the *running* part would generally have no reason to bu= ild FreeBSD on macOS specifically=2E