From owner-freebsd-security Tue Oct 3 16:54:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02BD37B502; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e93NsMX84081; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:54:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Paul Richards Cc: Christopher Masto , Warner Losh , Kris Kennaway , Joseph Scott , Brian Somers , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/finger finger.c In-Reply-To: Message from Paul Richards of "Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:40:21 BST." <39DA6055.594B13E4@originative.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:54:21 -0700 Message-ID: <84077.970617261@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I think you're looking at it the wrong way around. The stable team > wouldn't be putting in a lot of hours reviewing stable commits. Fine, change "reviewing" to "doing" and my original point still holds. How many hours are you and the other developers who volunteer willing to commit to this? That's all I want to know and it's a reasonable question to ask. I'm also not just asking this to be a hard-ass, I've had some serious problems over the last 7 years with getting people to actually put their commit bits where their mouthes are when it comes to responding to MFC requests (which do occur) and doing them in a sane and timely fashion for -stable. My experience with the committees we've set up to do such things is also that they don't tend to work over the long term, the rest of the project's expectations quickly becoming desynched with the realities of the situation and leading in turn to accusations of sloth and general finger-pointing. I'm not saying that it's absolutely impossible for such groups to work, simply that history has not shown their effectiveness in the most favorable light so far and any working group(s) this project may create will have to fight an uphill battle to overcome this. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message