From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 9 13:12:47 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750CCBD213A for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 13:12:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612321B9 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 13:12:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 60675BD2139; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 13:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6012BBD2138 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 13:12:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FAC11B8 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 13:12:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-209-65.knology.net [216.186.209.65] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id u89DCjg3005041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 08:12:46 -0500 Subject: Re: X+webkit = Disgraceful To: questions@freebsd.org References: From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 08:18:15 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 13:12:47 -0000 On 09/09/16 04:25, CK wrote: > 252M . > 7.6M ./bash > 200k ./gnome > 31M ./gnome2 > 1.6M ./gnome3 > 1M ./hunspell > 1.0M ./jpeg8d > 13M ./perl > 10M ./python > 27M ./xorg > > I just fetched the recursive ports for: > > x11/xorg-minimal > x11/xfd x11/xset x11/xterm > x11-fonts/bdftopcf x11-fonts/pcf2bdf > x11-wm/vtwm www/webkit-gtk2 > > And that doesn't even include a web-browser > (currently looking at surf + xombrero, essentially, > "browsers" that do little more than present a page > from Google's webkit "www-engine"; apparently, the > web is such an enormous piece of shit now that nobody > can code decent web-page rendering anymore [Netsurf > and Dillo seem to have been trying for over a decade] > except for corporate giants - created+controlled by > govt for the purpose of profiting govt and spying on > behalf of govt. Still keeping Opera 12.16 since it's > pretty much perfect with only a few fatal flaws in > the current web-o-sphere. > > 250+ MB, 36+ hours of downloading, and I still > can't even view the WWW, graphically. It's just > fucking disgusting. In 1996, I didn't even have > a hard drive that big, and my kernel was about > 1/2 MB, RAM was 16MB, FreeBSD took about 16MB of > disk space, and I could install everything from a > bunch of floppies, and Xwindow + graphical browser > was just a minor addition - maybe a few MB at most. > And guess what? THE WEB DOESN'T LOOK ANY BETTER > TODAY THAN THEN (with the exception of server-side > font control - which - apparently, took a whole new > fucking language to fix (CSS) instead of a trivial > fix to the FONT SIZE attribute specification). I > guess I should say I am no fan of video or residential > high-speed access of the Internet - for without it, > we surely wouldn't have a mess like we have today > (I'd guess it's all porn+entertainment driven). > > It's just fucking disgusting. It's complexity merely > for the sake of complexity - just pure wankerism without > any essential additional quality. > > I need ALL OF THIS SHIT just to turn some text and a > few images into pixels? 250+ MB of COMPRESSED code > (expanded, it's surely GBs!!! BILLIONS OF LINES OF > CODE???) Whoever is responsible for this needs to > be rounded up and left deserted on some island in the > middle of the ocean. It's just pure insane. This > world has lost it's collective mind - and the outcome > will not be pleasant. > > PS. my config-recursive tried to disable as much > as possible ... which i am sure will cause > compilation errors ... and this is not really a > "freebsd" thing, but it is part of the freebsd > ports system ... no real question here, just > a question people should be asking themselves. > > Somebody needs to develop an anti-JS "webkit" > that destroys all of the JS-BS in webpages, and > filters out the essential images+links+functionality, > without regard to placement/organization for those > websites that promulgate this garbage, and aid in > some kind of return to the non-commericialization > of the Internet. How can this not be seen as a > govt/corporate takeover of the Internet and all > "free" operating systems? There is no way this > could ever be supported by "free programmers" > developing things "freely", out of their own > desire and love for something of personal > quality+satisfaction. > > total 159 > > 413205 Nov 16 2010 ConsoleKit-0.4.3.tar.bz2 > 85905 Apr 2 2013 Filter-1.49.tar.gz > 4886995 Dec 21 2009 MesaLib-7.6.1.tar.bz2 > 1254318 Jul 22 2008 PolicyKit-0.9.tar.gz > 13185 Oct 22 2009 Switch-2.16.tar.gz > 238441 Jun 2 2011 XML-Parser-2.41.tar.gz > 1781068 Apr 15 2013 bison-2.7.1.tar.xz > 22718 Mar 7 2016 bsd-xterm-icons-1.tgz > 23558405 Dec 25 2010 cairo-1.10.2.tar.gz > 295596 Sep 24 2013 cantarell-fonts-0.0.15.tar.xz > 730404 Jan 20 2014 check-0.9.12.tar.gz > 6068021 May 5 2014 cmake-2.8.12.1.tar.gz > 626225 Mar 18 09:40 cups-1.7.1-source.tar.bz2 > 2276862 Mar 25 2014 curl-7.36.0.tar.lzma > 1917579 Jun 5 2014 dbus-1.6.20.tar.gz > 748836 Feb 25 2013 dbus-glib-0.100.2.tar.gz > 4706932 Aug 25 2013 dejavu-fonts-ttf-2.34.tar.bz2 > 10658 Jun 17 2013 dialog4ports-0.1.5.tar.gz > 55191 Apr 17 2013 dmidecode-2.12.tar.bz2 > 55653 Sep 6 10:37 docbk241.zip > 43441 Sep 6 10:37 docbk30.zip > 55952 Sep 6 10:37 docbk31.zip > 55742 Sep 6 10:37 docbk40.zip > 56654 Sep 6 10:37 docbk41.zip > 75683 Jul 23 2014 docbkx412.zip > 61830 Sep 6 10:37 docbook-4.2.zip > 66117 Sep 6 10:37 docbook-4.3.zip > 66879 Sep 6 10:37 docbook-4.4.zip > 71252 Sep 6 10:37 docbook-4.5.zip > 835797 Jul 23 2014 docbook-5.0.zip > 34500 Sep 6 10:37 docbook-simple-1.1.zip > 78428 Jul 23 2014 docbook-xml-4.2.zip > 83865 Jul 23 2014 docbook-xml-4.3.zip > 96107 Jul 23 2014 docbook-xml-4.4.zip > 98497 Jul 23 2014 docbook-xml-4.5.zip > 3682531 Nov 1 2010 docbook-xsl-1.76.1.tar.bz2 > 1443221 Nov 1 2010 docbook-xsl-doc-1.76.1.tar.bz2 > 562616 Mar 24 2012 expat-2.1.0.tar.gz > 1612101 Mar 26 2014 flex-2.5.39.tar.bz2 > 1541382 Oct 10 2013 fontconfig-2.11.0.tar.bz2 > 1005343 Apr 4 2013 freeglut-2.8.1.tar.gz > 1703842 Mar 6 2014 freetype-2.5.3.tar.bz2 > 51794 Aug 12 2012 getopt-1.1.5.tar.gz > 2644924 Aug 16 2013 gettext-0.18.3.1.tar.gz > 493206 Sep 17 2012 glu-9.0.0.tar.bz2 > 1818812 Sep 30 2013 gmp-5.1.3.tar.xz > 526700 Mar 26 2012 gnome-doc-utils-0.20.10.tar.xz > 7279415 Feb 4 2013 gnutls-2.12.23.tar.bz2 > 865088 May 8 2007 gperf-3.0.3.tar.gz > 6938866 Nov 28 2013 graphite2-1.2.4.tgz > 324014 Feb 20 2012 gst-plugins-base-0.10.36.tar.bz2 > 3655705 Feb 20 2012 gstreamer-0.10.36.tar.bz2 > 637936 Sep 14 2011 gtk-doc-1.18.tar.xz > 1238766 Nov 30 2009 hal-0.5.14.tar.gz > 1051548 Dec 4 2013 harfbuzz-0.9.25.tar.bz2 > 199611 Jun 30 2013 help2man-1.43.3.tar.gz > 38008 Jan 13 2010 hicolor-icon-theme-0.12.tar.gz > 23875368 Oct 4 2013 icu4c-52_1-src.tgz > 20510 Aug 5 2002 isoENTS.zip > 1092062 Oct 12 1998 jade-1.2.1.tar.gz > 226237 Apr 19 2004 jade_1.2.1-35.diff.gz > 1415752 Jan 19 2007 jasper-1.900.1.zip > 405712 Jun 11 2004 jbigkit-1.6.tar.gz > 408882 Dec 20 2009 libdrm-2.4.17.tar.bz2 > 845747 Mar 17 2013 libffi-3.0.13.tar.gz > 1508530 Jul 25 2013 libgcrypt-1.5.3.tar.bz2 > 489266 Jun 23 2013 libgpg-error-1.12.tar.bz2 > 4984397 Aug 7 2011 libiconv-1.14.tar.gz > 9580 Feb 6 2014 libpng-1.5.18-apng.patch.gz > 730340 Feb 6 2014 libpng-1.5.18.tar.xz > 82483 Sep 1 2010 libproxy-0.4.6.tar.gz > 203468 Oct 14 2009 libpthread-stubs-0.3.tar.bz2 > 2039225 Mar 24 2013 libtasn1-3.3.tar.gz > 2632347 Oct 18 2011 libtool-2.4.2.tar.gz > 23399 Mar 2 2009 libvolume_id-0.81.1.tar.bz2 > 400283 Nov 7 2013 libxcb-1.9.3.tar.bz2 > 1438525 Sep 21 2013 m4-1.4.17.tar.bz2 > 1242186 Jul 27 2010 make-3.82.tar.bz2 > 1558863 May 28 2013 nettle-2.7.1.tar.gz > 6367893 Sep 22 2015 nss-3.15.5.tar.gz > 732377 Aug 24 2013 orc-0.4.18.tar.gz > 979999 Jan 14 2014 p11-kit-0.20.2.tar.gz > 9686 Jun 17 2012 pcf2bdf-1.04.tgz > 166584 Mar 12 2014 pciids-20140312.tar.xz > 1468794 Dec 15 2013 pcre-8.34.tar.bz2 > 83948 Feb 10 2014 pkgconf-0.9.5.tar.bz2 > 1431080 Apr 24 2012 polkit-0.105.tar.gz > 324441 Sep 1 2008 rarian-0.8.1.tar.bz2 > 506660 Feb 13 2013 shared-mime-info-1.1.tar.xz > 1937368 Sep 8 15:19 sqlite-autoconf-3080401.tar.gz > 2051630 Sep 22 2012 tiff-4.0.3.tar.gz > 63578 May 1 2012 v4l_compat-1.0.20120501.tar.gz > 963540 Dec 9 2013 vtwm-5.4.99.20130906.tar.xz > 7814028 Apr 18 2013 webkit-1.8.3.tar.xz > 136421 Nov 7 2013 xcb-proto-1.9.tar.bz2 > 287855 May 30 2012 xcb-util-0.3.9.tar.bz2 > 257492 Apr 25 2011 xcb-util-renderutil-0.3.8.tar.bz2 > 97265 Sep 1 2004 xmlcatmgr-2.2.tar.gz > 29705 Sep 6 10:37 xmlcharent-0.3.zip > 1129416 Mar 6 2014 xterm-303.tgz > 7955839 Feb 26 2014 bash-4.3.tar.gz > 189483 Feb 26 2012 intltool-0.50.2.tar.gz > 634052 Mar 26 2013 atk-2.8.0.tar.xz > 607018 Apr 1 2010 enchant-1.6.0.tar.gz > 1192936 Jun 7 2013 gdk-pixbuf-2.28.2.tar.xz > 6626972 Jun 9 2013 glib-2.36.3.tar.xz > 352284 May 13 2013 glib-networking-2.36.2.tar.xz > 13376344 Oct 11 2013 gtk+-2.24.22.tar.xz > 709124 Jan 14 2013 libsoup-2.40.3.tar.xz > 4034128 Apr 18 2013 libxml2-2.9.1.tar.gz > 3435907 Nov 20 2012 libxslt-1.1.28.tar.gz > 1015112 May 13 2013 pango-1.34.1.tar.xz > 1201108 Mar 25 2013 gobject-introspection-1.36.0.tar.xz > 384248 Nov 13 2012 gsettings-desktop-schemas-3.6.1.tar.xz > 975917 Feb 16 2011 hunspell-1.3.2.tar.gz > 684 Feb 17 2002 exifautotran.txt > 8531 Feb 27 2011 jpegexiforient.c > 991456 Jan 15 2012 jpegsrc.v8d.tar.gz > 8448 Nov 6 2011 BSDPAN-20111107.tar.bz2 > 13724906 Mar 11 2013 perl-5.16.3.tar.bz2 > 10431288 Nov 9 2013 Python-2.7.6.tar.xz > 783570 Jan 8 2016 setuptools-2.0.1.tar.gz > 116380 Jan 14 2013 bdftopcf-1.0.4.tar.bz2 > 108195 Feb 10 2012 mkfontdir-1.0.7.tar.bz2 > 139923 Jul 16 2013 mkfontscale-1.1.1.tar.bz2 > 146794 Oct 11 2013 xauth-1.0.8.tar.bz2 > 137632 Jul 16 2013 xfd-1.1.2.tar.bz2 > 163905 Sep 8 2013 xinit-1.3.3.tar.bz2 > 242185 Mar 22 2012 xkbcomp-1.2.4.tar.bz2 > 142286 Aug 8 2013 xset-1.2.3.tar.bz2 > 908897 Oct 3 2013 xkeyboard-config-2.10.1.tar.bz2 > 323838 Oct 31 2013 xf86-input-keyboard-1.8.0.tar.bz2 > 353339 Mar 26 2013 xf86-input-mouse-1.9.0.tar.bz2 > 300571 Sep 9 2013 xf86-video-vesa-2.3.3.tar.bz2 > 665087 Oct 29 2010 encodings-1.0.4.tar.bz2 > 465351 Nov 10 2010 font-bh-ttf-1.0.3.tar.bz2 > 245606 Nov 15 2010 font-misc-ethiopic-1.0.3.tar.bz2 > 1578992 Nov 15 2010 font-misc-meltho-1.0.3.tar.bz2 > 142059 Feb 28 2012 font-util-1.3.0.tar.bz2 > 365762 Mar 2 2012 libICE-1.0.8.tar.bz2 > 348908 Sep 7 2013 libSM-1.2.2.tar.bz2 > 2339981 Sep 8 2013 libX11-1.6.2.tar.bz2 > 295297 May 24 2013 libXau-1.0.8.tar.bz2 > 677147 Sep 7 2013 libXaw-1.0.12.tar.bz2 > 283746 Jan 2 2013 libXcomposite-0.4.4.tar.bz2 > 311896 May 29 2013 libXcursor-1.1.14.tar.bz2 > 278937 Jan 2 2013 libXdamage-1.1.4.tar.bz2 > 310878 Mar 7 2012 libXdmcp-1.1.1.tar.bz2 > 378901 May 31 2013 libXext-1.3.2.tar.bz2 > 291978 May 28 2013 libXfixes-5.0.1.tar.bz2 > 482851 Jan 7 2014 libXfont-1.4.7.tar.bz2 > 240293 Oct 8 2009 libXfontcache-1.0.5.tar.bz2 > 311556 Jun 2 2012 libXft-2.3.1.tar.bz2 > 440969 Jul 2 2013 libXi-1.7.2.tar.bz2 > 278026 May 30 2013 libXinerama-1.1.3.tar.bz2 > 396230 Sep 7 2013 libXmu-1.1.2.tar.bz2 > 298632 May 30 2013 libXp-1.0.2.tar.bz2 > 443496 Sep 7 2013 libXpm-3.5.11.tar.bz2 > 315165 Sep 7 2013 libXrandr-1.4.2.tar.bz2 > 306121 Jun 13 2013 libXrender-0.9.8.tar.bz2 > 762331 May 30 2013 libXt-1.1.4.tar.bz2 > 300633 Sep 7 2013 libXv-1.0.10.tar.bz2 > 255831 Nov 21 2010 libXxf86misc-1.0.3.tar.bz2 > 284279 May 30 2013 libXxf86vm-1.1.3.tar.bz2 > 294884 Apr 25 2013 libfontenc-1.1.2.tar.bz2 > 359231 Jul 20 2013 libpciaccess-0.13.2.tar.bz2 > 335788 Mar 7 2012 libxkbfile-1.0.8.tar.bz2 > 221435 Apr 26 2006 libxkbui-1.0.2.tar.bz2 > 701414 Nov 17 2013 pixman-0.32.4.tar.bz2 > 177812 Nov 7 2013 xtrans-1.3.2.tar.bz2 > 113218 Mar 22 2012 bigreqsproto-1.1.2.tar.bz2 > 101208 Oct 29 2010 compositeproto-0.4.2.tar.bz2 > 98392 Oct 29 2010 damageproto-1.2.1.tar.bz2 > 108746 Jul 11 2012 dri2proto-2.8.tar.bz2 > 95093 Jan 5 2011 evieext-1.1.1.tar.bz2 > 100886 Mar 8 2011 fixesproto-5.0.tar.bz2 > 84470 Oct 2 2009 fontcacheproto-0.1.3.tar.bz2 > 141990 Mar 22 2012 fontsproto-2.1.2.tar.bz2 > 126969 Dec 10 2013 glproto-1.4.17.tar.bz2 > 195642 Mar 6 2013 inputproto-2.3.tar.bz2 > 256988 Mar 22 2012 kbproto-1.0.6.tar.bz2 > 222559 Jan 5 2011 printproto-1.0.5.tar.bz2 > 133300 Jul 12 2012 randrproto-1.4.0.tar.bz2 > 123033 Mar 22 2012 recordproto-1.14.2.tar.bz2 > 105741 Aug 10 2010 renderproto-0.11.1.tar.bz2 > 102992 May 27 2011 resourceproto-1.2.0.tar.bz2 > 118820 Mar 22 2012 scrnsaverproto-1.2.2.tar.bz2 > 48785 Jan 18 2006 trapproto-3.4.3.tar.bz2 > 118862 Jul 22 2013 videoproto-2.3.2.tar.bz2 > 112486 Mar 22 2012 xcmiscproto-1.2.2.tar.bz2 > 229282 Mar 22 2012 xextproto-7.2.1.tar.bz2 > 49191 Aug 26 2009 xf86bigfontproto-1.2.0.tar.bz2 > 85934 Oct 1 2009 xf86dgaproto-2.1.tar.bz2 > 96528 Jan 5 2011 xf86driproto-2.1.1.tar.bz2 > 84950 Oct 10 2009 xf86miscproto-0.9.3.tar.bz2 > 96822 Jan 5 2011 xf86vidmodeproto-2.3.1.tar.bz2 > 96239 Jan 5 2011 xineramaproto-1.2.1.tar.bz2 > 295948 Nov 22 2013 xproto-7.0.25.tar.bz2 > 143498 Jul 22 2013 makedepend-1.0.5.tar.bz2 > 77830 Dec 3 2013 util-macros-1.18.0.tar.bz2 > 4939257 May 3 2010 xorg-server-1.7.7.tar.bz2 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Preach it *LOUD*, brother !!!! -- William A. 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