From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 29 18:13:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4197B4E for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 18:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.in-addr.com (noop.in-addr.com [208.58.23.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71680D1E for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 18:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gjp by mail.in-addr.com with local (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1WTxlB-000CC7-Pd; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 14:13:37 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 14:13:37 -0400 From: Gary Palmer To: Steve Kargl Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <20140329181337.GA17363@in-addr.com> References: <53365D6F.5020804@allanjude.com> <20140329055249.GA69809@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20140329092923.GS37436@e-new.0x20.net> <20140329131110.GA71345@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20140329131110.GA71345@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: gpalmer@freebsd.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on mail.in-addr.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: Joe Nosay , freebsd-current , Lars Engels X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 18:13:48 -0000 On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 06:11:10AM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:29:23AM +0100, Lars Engels wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:52:49PM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 01:46:15AM -0400, Joe Nosay wrote: > >>> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Allan Jude wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 2014-03-29 01:22, Joe Nosay wrote: > >>>>> I have noticed that options VPS, VIMAGE, and MROUTING are not standard > >>>> for > >>>>> the kernel with a base install. Is there any way that these can be made a > >>>>> part of the normal kernel so that jail(s) would get the full benefit > >>>>> without a kernel recompile? > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> VIMAGE has some problems with PF. Martin Matu ska said at AsiaBSDCon > >>>> that he had a patch that solves the issue. > >>> > >>> Really, you say? That's good news. > >>> So, will those options soon be standard for a first time install? > >> > >> Certainly, hope not. I don't use any of options. > > > > So you use all the other devices and options of the GENERIC kernel? > > Of course, not. Not sure how you inferred such a thing. > > IMHO, GENERIC should contain only those devices and options > that are required to get FreeBSD booted on new hardware. > VIMAGE and MROUTING aren't needed, and can be configured by > the user after installation. As for VPS, AFAICT, there isn't > an option/device named VPS; at least 'find /sys/ -type f | xargs > grep VPS' wasn't too enlightening. Until freebsd-update deals with custom kernel configurations, people will want all the possible non-conflicting flags enabled in GENERIC, or the options made available as runtime loadable kernel modules. It's not an unreasonable request. Regards, Gary