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Date:      Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:58:27 -0700
From:      Mike Porter <mupi@mknet.org>
To:        "Passki, Jonathan P" <jpasski@kpmg.com>, "'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org'" <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>, "'freebsd-ports@freebsd.org'" <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: pkg_version
Message-ID:  <00112910582702.11309@mukappa.home.com>
In-Reply-To: <7799D023E51ED311BFB50008C75DD7B402881AEC@uschiexc05.kweb.us.kpmg.com>
References:  <7799D023E51ED311BFB50008C75DD7B402881AEC@uschiexc05.kweb.us.kpmg.com>

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On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Passki, Jonathan P wrote:

> <rant>
<snip..it's in the archives if anyone wants to read it again....>
> </rant>
>

I have to agree with the rant, but I think we are straying off topic for 
- -stable, and need to either move it completely to -ports or go private.  And 
I know I'm not one with time or expertise to be able to do much beyond 
contribute ideas, although I have been known to catch a few errors in c code 
from time to time....

Having said that...I am curious, since my previous *nix experience is Linux 
(mostly RedHat, but I have played with several different versions), if there 
is in the works any sort of "unified" interface.  I know that RedHat (and 
debian too, IIRC), has an X interface to their package management system.  
While I don't necessarily think that X is the answer to everything (yeah, 
it's pretty, and graphical (doesn't that make it pretty graphic?? <(}; ) ) it 
does tend to be a bit slower than I like for running things under.  I find 
myself using X so I can run Netscape and do thngs like read the handbook, 
etc, but switching over to a VC to do any "real" system work....it seems that 
an ncurses based package handler shouldn't be too difficult to handle, and 
could make installing ports a lot less painful.  Consider it a "suggestion" 
rather than a rant, put it on the "wish list" or whatever.  

<rambling and otherwise thinking out loud>
If I can help, I will, but I wish I had more time to play with this stuff, so 
I doubt I would be able to make much impact.  It occurs to me that a perl 
script might be able to handle everyhting that has been discussed here, 
though TCL has the added advantage of being able to interface with Tk if run 
under X, (I guess perl::Tk does that, too) which could give you the 
flexibility of a single command, that could then run in graphical or 
curses-based depending on the environment it sees....given a year or so I 
might be able to write something like that.  If someone else writes/has 
written a framework for this, I would be happy to interface with them and 
help polish the UI and test.
</rambling>

mike
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