From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 6 03:31:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B68CB2; Sun, 6 Oct 2013 03:31:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88C8E2411; Sun, 6 Oct 2013 03:31:51 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=fi1TcGTl8GOuxAd+cc2NKHBkK7cavfo4uKx/pVSDDTE=; b=IUlE1DiarFBKs4XXC3WOIXTaidS5eC7pH2XnDtM5d0xsRTw5EQM8TbQKmiRJsiRANyLCYO0pbpcqHQKwsSd18WIxnlCI1aWrk3EBIsERtRTNhbGNch8OkwIHFwbOKykafMfEdKNAyqCGXZsvEZE6Vc4375bZfDLgKuXhdx2hBAA=; Received: from [182.9.140.79] (port=13247 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VSe6d-002n25-8X; Sat, 05 Oct 2013 20:30:04 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 10:29:55 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors Message-ID: <20131006102955.4191e4a4@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <5250BA2E.3030409@FreeBSD.org> References: <201310031535.r93FZ6D1095088@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20131003153825.GB1581@oldfaithful.bebik.local> <5250BA2E.3030409@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: koobs@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 03:31:51 -0000 Hi, On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 12:17:34 +1100 Kubilay Kocak wrote: > On 4/10/2013 1:38 AM, Rodrigo OSORIO wrote: > > Maybe the question is : "have they found what they are looking > > for ?" > > > > Thats a good question Rodrigo and right on point. > > Bounce rates, without also identifying *legitimate* (and/or desirable) > exit points cant alone help us determine if a user has achieved their > objective or not. > I am one of the many 'bounced' users. The front page shows already very often what I want to know. Security notes, the current supported versions and news. Why should I read then things I am not interested in? But there is something missing. There is no 'entry' point for potential new users. > Among other things, marking actions on pages with GA labels will > differentiate many of these cases from the pathological and begins to > place 'our user goals' *first* as the primary definition of success. > > You cant manage or improve what you dont measure. I disagree here. A website is not a piece of engineering. Erich