Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 10:56:30 +0200 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Jean-S=E9bastien_P=E9dron?= <dumbbell@FreeBSD.org> To: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>, ports@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org, "freebsd-x11@freebsd.org" <freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Removal of legacy X.Org (aka non-WITH_NEW_XORG) Message-ID: <542E64BE.3040906@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20141003083051.GA52332@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> References: <20141003083051.GA52332@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net>
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This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --o5xR78pHKjNhVCRBb9Hmr7Q1MJ1d1UiqV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03.10.2014 10:30, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > Hi, >=20 > As you may know, the ports tree currently provides two versions of the > X.Org server and related pieces of software: > 1. xserver 1.7, Mesa 7.6 and libdrm 2.4.17 > 2. xserver 1.12, Mesa 9.1 and libdrm 2.4.52 >=20 > We are about to remove the older set. The primary reason is the > maintenance cost. The Graphics team is small and it's a nightmare to > test changes. The consequence is infrequent updates to those packages > and, of course, way more work each time we decide to jump to a later > version. All this time spent on keeping the legacy stack in a working > state isn't invested on improving the current one and today's hardware > support. >=20 > The recent update to Cairo is a good example of this unsustainable > situation: we tested what we could with the time we had and we sent a > "Call for testers" on freebsd-x11@ and freebsd-current@ mailing-lists a= s > well as asking for help on several Quarterly Status Reports. The benefi= t > (if not the requirement) of the update and the lack of failure reports > were instrumental in the final decision. Unfortunately, many users of > the old X.Org server on Intel GPUs are now having crashes with any Gtk+= > applications or the X.Org server itself. This time, we won't revert > anything or spend more time on trying to fix the old stack. >=20 > Now, what does it change for the community? What are the benefits of > this solution? >=20 > 1. No more headache with WITH_NEW_XORG, alternate pkg(8) repository= , > mismatching ABI versions between xf86-input-* and xserver. > 2. More frequent and independant updates (ie. no need to update the= > whole stack in one pass). > 3. KDE and, in the near future, GNOME 3 available as packages in th= e > main repository and on install medias. >=20 > Great, but what does it break? >=20 > The only regression is for users of Intel GPUs and FreeBSD 8.x and > 9.0. Those versions of FreeBSD lack the required kernel driver and > therefore xf86-video-intel won't work (the last UMS-aware version > doesn't work with xserver 1.12). Users can still use xf86-video-vesa if= > they can't/don't want to update their FreeBSD workstation. To install > xf86-video-vesa, run: > pkg install xf86-video-vesa > or > portmaster x11-drivers/xf86-video-vesa >=20 > There won't be any regression for owners of Radeon GPUs because > xf86-video-ati 6.14.6 (the last one with UMS support, which fortunately= > works with xserver 1.12) is provided as a separate port. To install thi= s > UMS driver: > pkg install xf86-video-ati-ums > or > portmaster x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati-ums >=20 > In the longer term, we suggest you update to FreeBSD 10.x (10.1-RELEASE= > is around the corner). For example, you can find instructions to update= > to 10.0-RELEASE here: > https://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.0R/installation.html >=20 > Note that there's a know regression with syscons and kernel video > drivers: you can't switch back to a console once an X.Org session is > started. A new console driver called vt(4) fixes this issue while > bringing nice features. It's available in FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE and > 10.1-RELEASE but isn't enabled by default. To enable it, put the > following line in your /boot/loader.conf: > kern.vty=3Dvt >=20 > Note official packages reflecting this sitation will start building on > Wednesday 8th of October and hit your mirrors as soon as possible for b= oth > quarterly branch and regular head. >=20 > regards, > Bapt on behalf on the X11 team Let's forward this announcement to the freebsd-x11@ mailing-list. --=20 Jean-S=E9bastien P=E9dron --o5xR78pHKjNhVCRBb9Hmr7Q1MJ1d1UiqV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJULmTCXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2NzA4N0ZEMUFFQUUwRTEyREJDNkE2RjAz OUU5OTc2MUE1RkQ5NENDAAoJEDnpl2Gl/ZTM+YUQAJBm9IzhG3WAkiy/84yjZS1A BhoIbnClDYAKgCDOSaO19LFG59Jm8dYa+5/KnUtLeYya7cVuRLZjHVoT4sGwRV2H z+nitgs8mnG4PkmiQndvUhs9z5/WR/EPFr2KdYfGs5Kg085uXtzOwYKHV4ka9qog 2KczyKUNj0q18GYqwVBPX3+4uN+OMlkBO5vjbt78+gRlU73T3SgWJAf5/F5I2Eb8 tUDxAWG8+B5xbuChZpsoDJWo93pxBdpiOrRvI/C1k/CxsclI2iexUNjqN6iDlvvo 8Qzi+Lvz/g+ft1EUq21sbTSmVWeBkevKxZUXpHGSIbzS63/V5RRasOyVMUTGt22b Uh7+R2TxFlje5KNFzfIWK9OQIkqwaqfTxSVf6ToHX58tn8D5U90Ejz8DNReA3I5F EuMQ2oPRnNIUfurSvuGnOJJsTRnJXqQNHLstg+p4kKbXUFZZi+DGfs/bnUsygQ7p uBLrDns4t9nbqrmjuCkBSI42aNA2kkWY+WxGCYAYdIq4Ui7pE52Sk3pKss5FnqKQ ElBE2glbNlTiaosYNJIO1ZyDAhCTnPwyUgL63IgHLEfGoHe9zldLJEI0k22iBp67 gw9npaj0MyblNd/o+ESq9q2N+G/4Wy0W4agDAEi1Uv/Wtmsdlq4F5106HvhLaS3Q 6xVfGS1cAZmyqHNpwBQS =gvo9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --o5xR78pHKjNhVCRBb9Hmr7Q1MJ1d1UiqV--
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