From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Oct 27 09:13:23 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F6DE3E00B for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 09:13:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from crest@rlwinm.de) Received: from mail.rlwinm.de (mail.rlwinm.de [IPv6:2a01:4f8:171:f902::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DD4081F4B for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 09:13:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from crest@rlwinm.de) Received: from crest.bultmann.eu (unknown [IPv6:2a00:c380:c0d5:1:a596:9d37:19bf:42c4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.rlwinm.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B02CCF381 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 09:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Spam on -ports To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <20171026232452.GA28499@lonesome.com> From: Jan Bramkamp Message-ID: <93416f2a-c4c1-2807-e7c9-86542d559c47@rlwinm.de> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 11:13:20 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171026232452.GA28499@lonesome.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 09:13:23 -0000 On 27.10.17 01:24, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 07:50:40AM +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote: >> Is it official FreeBSD policy to allow spammers free reign on this >> list, or is the list owner merely incompetent? > or is it 3) spam is a never-ending arms race, and the volunteers are > struggling to keep up? It is and low latency human moderation of all mailinglists is an unrealistic expectation. > Honestly, I do not understand why people make posts like this. Most precise low maintenance spam filtering works on meta that gets mangled too badly by mailing lists to be usable afterwards. From the point of view of spam filters the messages relayed by the mailing list originate in from a valid MX of freebsd.org. Combining a strict postfix setup with postscreen and postgrey solved the spam problem for my domains with one exception: the FreeBSD mailing lists. To keep the signal to noise ratio on those acceptable I had to deploy a content based spam filter and have not yet found a good enough configuration for it. While not fair it is very tempting to blame the operators and I'm surprised how some spam campaigns manage to get unchanged content relayed through the FreeBSD mailing lists for months. > Speaking as someone who, behind the scenes, helps people try to stay > motivated, all you're doing is make other people's lives miserable -- > including mine. I would like to help fighting the spam problem on the FreeBSD.org mailing lists. Can you put me in contact with the right people? -- Jan Bramkamp