From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 27 16:07:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A69336948 for ; Wed, 27 May 2020 16:07:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x142.google.com (mail-il1-x142.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::142]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49XG256pw8z4crV for ; Wed, 27 May 2020 16:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x142.google.com with SMTP id 9so6091260ilg.12 for ; Wed, 27 May 2020 09:07:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7wbdOZwaCEsWM5nmtYdyMM2+P/xDGGZf/4hVRvRoHHI=; b=LuI35mSCiRY4/29mG4gIaqirSQ2DnENCA9wyXMWMIioZfupS9lit8HHbqMkUMT0Jfm S/szoKm7Y4ePYzGn8kAkx4RrScsrVlwLr+REXqvGpq0nU35kqCg8Jy0SUgVcdDSqeT7d WuL/Ry5Dwa4E1oSZf/CEHZwx9I85+KPMRp+/g91prhN0oME2ZELFF/Yz7raa5XkZkGYl VClh8AU5ZIZKwM3Hun+wj5ERi+eQeZyeT0MIcoBGbwBnC8WPD2ofRPwa6aXLbZxZSQPE PKaeFWudBciM6/9JZ2hEQxGJ2YKomchHUDkqx6Z1vRti4WuyhWda51u1paLMPKH/AXtR JCOA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7wbdOZwaCEsWM5nmtYdyMM2+P/xDGGZf/4hVRvRoHHI=; b=XbkXkdJygCfzYHupbVb5YDEhEY5ewrI06PO+f9z4EzDM8PmVL8oJO3bGiyAHiJx83d UZ3wk83ylypzO4THVac/TbfQcCkWOi/sUJBZx9uvqByhiW1zQKXk015YmzQX/FM/zvu/ D637xUkAttNGvZjiLzjeoPm5pdSFIBvQG5itYRCJaobLnTbEaFGcXP2IzWqgwnb4n2jE PKNbVpYdZ8TbQpEY9G8vRm7RFlmC/wzsol20jPAWyn1ugIbAnMNjXtoUXZZJzhpvEExv yt1AnK6eyY3XqAL3+3a/cFJEp/kNNlas+5QZRM6fWkdiOYLOSA2BmyZcqoPAfexuuSme y3MQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530rJfINSDX5NLVRy9wF6Vj/T90I/fVysRXSebBkIhtH8vPvg+rz 7bEftBX17tuWpEOm6keOrfQbD1XpwZuQ1wZFGaQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJywaA69GXX7W4xpLbCovqe4JUGScwkT7WWpVTnMDmAyME+2QvirCyuuWI7QUmqDWQvgTGUJ8WcH3ZTBKF9EbzE= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:610:: with SMTP id t16mr6236437ils.187.1590595660588; Wed, 27 May 2020 09:07:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200527141409.5469f1a3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 12:07:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert To: Brandon helsley Cc: Ottavio Caruso , Polytropon , Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49XG256pw8z4crV X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=LuI35mSC; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::142 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.60 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.59)[-0.590]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.014]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::142:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[yahoo.com,edvax.de,freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 16:07:42 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 12:02 PM Brandon helsley < brandon.helsley@hotmail.com> wrote: > I'll take that to mean that I can sign up with as little as I know. I'll > definitely be very quick to learn. How can I get started? > Step 1: Find some program that you think should be widely available to the FreeBSD community Step 2: Make sure it legally compatible with FreeBSD and it's licensing model (I am not going to get into how to this to avoid starting a flame war) Step 3: Get the source code for the program Step 4: Using hand compiling (or how ever it wants to be built) get it to compile/install cleanly including noting all the other ports it depends on Step 5: Use the port system to automate step 4 Step 6: Submit it to the bug tracking system as a new port so as to mark it ready for a committer to review and commit it Step 7: Make any changes the committer suggests Step 8: Committer commits it and it is now officially a port > ------------------------------ > *From:* Aryeh Friedman > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:57:30 AM > *To:* Brandon helsley > *Cc:* Ottavio Caruso ; Polytropon < > freebsd@edvax.de>; Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> > *Subject:* Re: FreeBSD Cert > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 11:53 AM Brandon helsley < > brandon.helsley@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Good to know, then I'll take it up to learn the basics. And to be a > committer? Does that require skills? > > > 1. The reason I suggested some of the things I have written but not made > into ports yet is I wrote them on FreeBSD so there is little or no > programming required to make them work as port (if there is then I did my > job wrong) and thus you can learn porting from the ground up and then move > to harder things that require programming > > 2. Being a committer is mostly being trusted by other committers to not > things up when you put it in the master repository. Mostly this > comes from maintaining a lot of ports and showing superior knowledge of the > porting system along with being suitably risk adverse when updating the > master repo. > > > > Sent from Outlook Mobile > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Aryeh Friedman > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:48:39 AM > *To:* Brandon helsley > *Cc:* Ottavio Caruso ; Polytropon < > freebsd@edvax.de>; Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> > *Subject:* Re: FreeBSD Cert > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 11:36 AM Brandon helsley < > brandon.helsley@hotmail.com> wrote: > > How much experience is necessarry? > I don't know anything about computers but got freebsd as a project to > learn as much as possible. If I were to get involved does "teaching the > ropes" at all possibly include learning other things like networking and > possibly and hopefully learning how to port software? > > > A lot of times (but by far from all the time) porting requires at least > basic programming skills since you often need to find parts of the code > that are incompatible with FreeBSD and make them compatible (you then > include a patch for the work in the port files). > > > > > Sent from Outlook Mobile > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Aryeh Friedman > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 8:33:10 AM > *To:* Brandon helsley > *Cc:* Ottavio Caruso ; Polytropon < > freebsd@edvax.de>; Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> > *Subject:* Re: FreeBSD Cert > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 8:39 AM Brandon helsley < > brandon.helsley@hotmail.com> wrote: > > What about port maintainership. Or port mentee? What Is it exactly. Good > learning experience? > > > Yes/no/maybe is it worth and is it a good learning experience. > > A port maintainer as Mathew said is resonible for keeping a port in good > working order visa vie FreeBSD. A good example is when I took over > maintainership of devel/aegis it was to update to the latest released > version (the original author passed away in 2014 and no one has picked up > the ball to make new versions since despite a small group of hardcore users > [including my self]) and all was good then when FreeBSD started to phase > out the preference for GCC I had to make some patches to make it work with > LLVM, etc. > > Taking over a dead port is likely not as good of an learning experience as > making and maintaining a new one. Contact me privately I have some ideas > for stuff that can and should be ports that I haven't had time for (mostly > side projects relating to PetiteCloud that I can maintain via aegis but not > via ports due to not making the translation scripts completely yet) > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org