From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 14:59:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA12278 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:59:45 -0800 Received: from hp.com (hp.com [15.255.152.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA12272 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:59:44 -0800 Received: from hpautow.aus.hp.com by hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.14/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA243245969; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:59:29 -0800 Message-Id: <199501082259.AA243245969@hp.com> Received: by hpautow.aus.hp.com (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA00774; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:58:29 +1100 From: "M.C Wong" Subject: Re: guest account: Yggdrasil information To: cg@FIMP01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at Date: Mon, 09 Jan 1995 9:58:28 EDT Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199501061750.SAA00134@uhura>; from "DI. Christian Gusenbauer" at Jan 6, 95 6:50 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14.c] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Here at our institute, many people fell in love with Micro$oft's NT (not me!), > because it's so simple to install and to administer. Just clicking around > and it works. Even our hardware-technician, who doesn't know what TCP/IP, > NT services, etc exactly are, can configure these things. > > So I think, if FreeBSD should have a future, we'll have to do some work: > [ .. snipped] > > Christian. > cg@fimp01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at > >From what I have spoken to people/colleages who haven't mucked around much with FreeBSD nor any other freeware Unix-like OS, they've got a strong favour towards MS* OS for the following reasons : 1) While we always take FreeBSD networking, multitasking and multiuser features for granted as merits and credits against MS* OS, (they believe) MS* will always be able to build a more sophisticated OS with all those features + more proper hardware vendors support to bring the level of features up to or even exceeding what is currently available in FreeBSD & freeware OS. 2) OTOH, applications (especially commercial ports) available for MS* OS are much much far exceeding those for FreeBSD, and as freeware OS as concerned, the potential for such OS to catch up with or even blow away MS* OS is almost impossible. While I am a loyal fan of FreeBSD since the good old days of 386BSD 0.1, and I ONLY use FreeBSD nowadays, I believe the above 2 factors are sufficient for many to believe Windows and NT is the future OS of choice, and vital enough to kill the effort of such a lovely OS. I always believe for FreeBSD to play a more influential role against other BIG NAME OS, some fundamental infrastructural organization is needed, namely while many people fall in love with kernel hacking, user and admin level of essential utilities and tools with GREAT EASE FOR USE have been overlooked by many. One observation (from RHS's WWW page) from Red Hat Software Linux distribution reveals that these fundamental requirement play a BIG role in their new distribution. All their admin tools are X11 based with menu driven, and it can track every software package installed on your system. I believe the core team people can lay out some proposals for such direction, and many other will start following. Seriously speaking, FreeBSD core team has always had increasing number of volunteers, but seems to be mainly in kernel hacking as this is the prime and highest priority activity anyway. But with FreeBSD approaching a stable and EXCELLENT status, I believe much attention from various volunteers is needed BADLY for building up an environment that is both powerful and easy to use. This is particularly true for new users, and for presenting FreeBSD image to prospective (commercial) software developers who consider software ports. Just my 0.02 worth. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ M.C Wong Email: mcw@hpato.aus.hp.com Australian Telecom Operation Voice: +61 3 272 8058 Hewlett-Packard Australia Ltd Fax: +61 3 898 9257 31 Joseph St, Blackburn 3130, Australia OS: FreeBSD-1.1.5.1 http://hpautow.aus.hp.com:9999/~mcw/mcw.html (or http://hpautorf/~mcw)