Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 21:07:22 +0000 From: Ken Moffat <zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Poor default fonts in Firefox Message-ID: <20180107210722.GA27609@milliways.localdomain>
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I thought this was a private mail, but Christian's other replies copied the list, and I don't think there is anything private in his part, so I'm now forwarding my reply to the list. ----- Forwarded message from Ken Moffat <zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com> ----- Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 19:54:51 +0000 From: Ken Moffat <zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com> To: Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> Subject: Re: Poor default fonts in Firefox User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.2 (2017-12-15) On Sun, Jan 07, 2018 at 05:30:06PM +0100, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Ken Moffat: > > > > http://shell.uugrn.org/~naddy/bbcnews.xwd.xz > > > > If you download the current page you will see that it includes > > https://nav.files.bbci.co.uk/orbit/1.0.0-571.15b54a4/css/orb-ltr.min.css > > which uses some BBCReith fonts (Sans and Serif) and these are woff2 > > fonts, so for everything using those fonts you will get the official > > fonts if you allow the page to use them (ISTR somebody mentioned > > overriding that). > > > > If you don't let firefox use them, then I assume you will get whatever > > you have set as the fonts in firefox's preferences. If those are > > merely Sans and Serif then fc-match will tell you what it is using. > > FWIW, Firefox happily tells you what font it uses: select a piece > of text, right-click, select "Inspect Element", in the bottom right > select "Fonts". > Thanks, I didn't know that. > For the BBC web site headlines and article text that comes out as > > Helvetica system > Used as: "Helvetica" > > here. (The Firefox font configuration is the Firefox default.) > Yes, the woff information in the stylesheet turned out to be a red herring for the BBC. On my current machine I prefer TexGyreHeros and clicking on some text at the BBC News page showed it was using the Bold variant (it isn't, the link/headline above that was in bold, and even selecting only the article text I had had an option to open in a new tab!). Going to a different BBC news article and again selecting only some text from the middle of the article, that is apparently in GEL Icons Full Regular - labelled as remote with a link and (woff) after it. Clearly that applies to something else on the page, perhaps the *book and tw?tter icons. Looking at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Chrony which I happened to have open, the example output in the blue or grey boxes is clearly monospace, but the normal text on a white background is clearly variable width. But when I select some of that normal text it tells me it is I get various reports of Liberation Sans, ... bold, ... mono depending on which short piece of text I inspect. Certainly it is Liberation Sans, because that is how I set my preferences on this machine. This is in ff58.0beta14, and I would be inclined to treat what the inspector tells me with the proverbial grain of salt. ĸen -- Truth, in front of her huge walk-in wardrobe, selected black leather boots with stiletto heels for such a barefaced truth. - Unseen Academicals ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Truth, in front of her huge walk-in wardrobe, selected black leather boots with stiletto heels for such a barefaced truth. - Unseen Academicals
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