From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jan 7 21:10:02 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E2EE5D8D6 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2018 21:10:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com) Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3FD679014 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2018 21:10:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([81.97.232.230]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id YIA6ezOxcKa2WYIA6eCqJ8; Sun, 07 Jan 2018 21:07:22 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [81.97.232.230] X-Authenticated-User: X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.3 cv=Y7/WTCWN c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=obylDaYnIsVqxbenyIBF4Q==:117 a=obylDaYnIsVqxbenyIBF4Q==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=RgaUWeydRksA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=kC5XCjNUAAAA:8 a=iVD6R4xZAAAA:8 a=Br9LfDWDAAAA:8 a=vtwhezT6tufY_whfV0kA:9 a=Y6mZN1FRT3r7mzVK:21 a=5-gGDftlcIETb4lW:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_tHamj0Rg94A:10 a=wW_WBVUImv98JQXhvVPZ:22 a=89ZGvdw6miHIuIUErJpX:22 a=ChcFUjjp0OHU96SPM-94:22 a=gR_RJRYUad_6_ruzA8cR:22 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0DDE141BDA; Sun, 7 Jan 2018 21:07:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 21:07:22 +0000 From: Ken Moffat To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Poor default fonts in Firefox Message-ID: <20180107210722.GA27609@milliways.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.2 (2017-12-15) X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfOjqUw4NZTdyueXkBlMe22EBxz2h3MAPuqw7YbWU0YccLnhS8NeIjVVPhD9B6IYsnQihuksmc/KltJBKkAWGYQEfghAJPgQDUSD6L8MIgRTBJiKvDaOG DFmbDVMJqeefVhQiiVkrKnL0Z76SpE1C5rFSX2zI4QhSSW2G7PbjhLQ/Bw6Foh+vYOTluHkHwSjbB2p5Psav4MzNwgRuUekVKRA= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2018 21:10:02 -0000 I thought this was a private mail, but Christian's other replies copied the list, and I don't think there is anything private in his part, so I'm now forwarding my reply to the list. ----- Forwarded message from Ken Moffat ----- Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 19:54:51 +0000 From: Ken Moffat To: Christian Weisgerber Subject: Re: Poor default fonts in Firefox User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.2 (2017-12-15) On Sun, Jan 07, 2018 at 05:30:06PM +0100, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Ken Moffat: > > > > http://shell.uugrn.org/~naddy/bbcnews.xwd.xz > > > > If you download the current page you will see that it includes > > https://nav.files.bbci.co.uk/orbit/1.0.0-571.15b54a4/css/orb-ltr.min.css > > which uses some BBCReith fonts (Sans and Serif) and these are woff2 > > fonts, so for everything using those fonts you will get the official > > fonts if you allow the page to use them (ISTR somebody mentioned > > overriding that). > > > > If you don't let firefox use them, then I assume you will get whatever > > you have set as the fonts in firefox's preferences. If those are > > merely Sans and Serif then fc-match will tell you what it is using. > > FWIW, Firefox happily tells you what font it uses: select a piece > of text, right-click, select "Inspect Element", in the bottom right > select "Fonts". > Thanks, I didn't know that. > For the BBC web site headlines and article text that comes out as > > Helvetica system > Used as: "Helvetica" > > here. (The Firefox font configuration is the Firefox default.) > Yes, the woff information in the stylesheet turned out to be a red herring for the BBC. On my current machine I prefer TexGyreHeros and clicking on some text at the BBC News page showed it was using the Bold variant (it isn't, the link/headline above that was in bold, and even selecting only the article text I had had an option to open in a new tab!). Going to a different BBC news article and again selecting only some text from the middle of the article, that is apparently in GEL Icons Full Regular - labelled as remote with a link and (woff) after it. Clearly that applies to something else on the page, perhaps the *book and tw?tter icons. Looking at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Chrony which I happened to have open, the example output in the blue or grey boxes is clearly monospace, but the normal text on a white background is clearly variable width. But when I select some of that normal text it tells me it is I get various reports of Liberation Sans, ... bold, ... mono depending on which short piece of text I inspect. Certainly it is Liberation Sans, because that is how I set my preferences on this machine. This is in ff58.0beta14, and I would be inclined to treat what the inspector tells me with the proverbial grain of salt. ĸen -- Truth, in front of her huge walk-in wardrobe, selected black leather boots with stiletto heels for such a barefaced truth. - Unseen Academicals ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Truth, in front of her huge walk-in wardrobe, selected black leather boots with stiletto heels for such a barefaced truth. - Unseen Academicals